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Post by bluemeii on Jan 22, 2015 18:56:51 GMT -5
49ers hired TEs coach Eric Mangini as defensive coordinator. ESPN's Jeff Legwold passes along "buzz" from the Senior Bowl that Wade Phillips is a candidate for the Broncos' defensive coordinator vacancy.ESPN Browns reporter Jeremy Fowler reports the team has reached out to free agent Brian Hoyer about a contract extension. The Browns are expected to offer "backup quarterback money," which is what Hoyer's on-field play warrants. As long as he goes no where near the HC position...yes please. Also...this god damn story is the lead on NBC Nightly News tonight...again. God damn Patriots I will hate you forever for this crap. Instead of getting stories about matchups and other things game related we get 2 Weeks of hearing about inflated and deflated balls, and for Pats fans saying "eh, sour grapes...eh, didn't make a difference". I could care less. Your team got busted again. This is your organizations fault, no one else's so stop trying to lay blame elsewhere. Your team got caught going over the line again. This is no ones fault but the people that work at One Patriot Place Foxboro, Massachusetts. I'll restate what I said earlier...I think the hoodie is getting a year off. Based of what Peter King is saying, there won't be any announcement of penalty till after the game. Honestly I think the NFL has already made up it's mind on what they are gonna do. If they want to suspend him for next year they aren't going to announce it now.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 22, 2015 18:57:23 GMT -5
Regardless of whether or not this was intentional (and I completely understand the hesitancy to believe either Brady or Belichick on this given the latter's past discretions), I just feel it will be difficult for the supposed hammer to come down given the difficulty this investigation poses. It is much harder to prove a head coach or any other official deliberately ordered balls deflated for a competitive advantage than it is proving a team set up an elaborate camera system to record other teams' practices. Unless they find emails of Brady telling the ball boys to underinflate them (and below the allowed marker as you can underinflate balls but still have them be at the legal limit), how are they going to prove this? Even if this professor saying they can underinflate on their own turns out to be batshit insane, it poses a theory about how it could have happened without tampering or caused any slight underinflation to increase. How will the NFL prove it was the Patriots and not the weather? As a Patriots fan, finding out that the team took a shortcut would not surprise me and I am annoyed that the team in the best case scenario let this slip out from under them and at worst case scenario cheated. If proven guilty, of course they deserve severe punishment. I just wonder how the NFL can find enough evidence and find it substantial enough to surpass past punishments (as anything less probably would not satisfy people who believe they did in fact cheat).
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 22, 2015 19:05:07 GMT -5
The funny thing is that Belichick was almost convincing on his own. Like I can almost give him benefit of the doubt and give him plausible deniability, even though the coach is ultimately responsible for what happens with his team. But Brady is a really bad liar. Brady always has been a really bad liar. I guess Belichick has more experience with it maybe.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2015 19:15:58 GMT -5
I just don't get what the league is doing. Like, been a few days, I'm reading that they really don't have a ton of concrete evidence (smoking gun) thus far and they haven't spoken to one of the more obvious parties involved, Brady. If there is a massive cover up or something, wouldn't giving them more time be counterproductive?
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Post by Cyno on Jan 22, 2015 19:19:14 GMT -5
The Ray Rice situation shows just how "diligent" the NFL can be when it investigates something that it really doesn't want to go crazy about.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2015 19:26:47 GMT -5
The surprising thing is how many ex and current players are speaking out about this being overblown and/or not a big issue. It sure doesn't excuse anything, but it's a weird aspect
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 22, 2015 19:27:08 GMT -5
Speaking Thursday, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam admitted the team has no idea whom its 2015 starting quarterback will be.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2015 19:35:27 GMT -5
Edit: I feel like details are changing/ coming out in pieces. I really wish this whole thing was done correctly and at a better pace than this
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Post by bluemeii on Jan 22, 2015 19:35:53 GMT -5
I just don't get what the league is doing. Like, been a few days, I'm reading that they really don't have a ton of concrete evidence (smoking gun) thus far and they haven't spoken to one of the more obvious parties involved, Brady. If there is a massive cover up or something, wouldn't giving them more time be counterproductive? Honestly they already have it. The under inflated balls. I really don't think at this point they care about the whole who did it or who told who to do it situation at this point. In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter. The QB has denied it. The Coach has denied it. I really think in the NFL's mind at this point they just know that New England did it. They need to do something, they have 31 other teams (along with their fan bases) watching and seeing what they do. Yes the punishment will be over the top due to the repeat offender status and the fact that the other teams are really interested in how this all turns out. I really don't think this will be a slap on the wrist. They have (the NFL I mean) said that they will be holding the coaches and owners and organizations as a whole more accountable then they would an individual player. Now you look at who is in charge of the day to day football operations for the team. If I'm not mistaken NE has no "official" GM in place and that Belichik fills that role. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's how it is set up. Well when you punish a whole organization like this, you punish the guy running it (suspension) and the group as a whole (draft picks, cap hit). The precedence is there for the NFL to do both with questionable evidence before. (Couldn't prove Sean Payton knew a damn thing...gone for a year for example).
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 22, 2015 19:40:06 GMT -5
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2015 19:42:11 GMT -5
I just don't get what the league is doing. Like, been a few days, I'm reading that they really don't have a ton of concrete evidence (smoking gun) thus far and they haven't spoken to one of the more obvious parties involved, Brady. If there is a massive cover up or something, wouldn't giving them more time be counterproductive? Honestly they already have it. The under inflated balls. I really don't think at this point they care about the whole who did it or who told who to do it situation at this point. In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter. The QB has denied it. The Coach has denied it. I really think in the NFL's mind at this point they just know that New England did it. They need to do something, they have 31 other teams (along with their fan bases) watching and seeing what they do. Yes the punishment will be over the top due to the repeat offender status and the fact that the other teams are really interested in how this all turns out. I really don't think this will be a slap on the wrist. They have (the NFL I mean) said that they will be holding the coaches and owners and organizations as a whole more accountable then they would an individual player. Now you look at who is in charge of the day to day football operations for the team. If I'm not mistaken NE has no "official" GM in place and that Belichik fills that role. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's how it is set up. Well when you punish a whole organization like this, you punish the guy running it (suspension) and the group as a whole. The precedence is there for the NFL to do both with questionable evidence before. (Couldn't prove Sean Payton knew a damn thing...gone for a year for example). What I meant is they have deflated footballs but no definitive idea who messed with them. 3 days of a supposed investigation and they seem to be nowhere. Again, how the hell haven't they gone after Brady yet?
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Post by bluemeii on Jan 22, 2015 19:53:49 GMT -5
Honestly they already have it. The under inflated balls. I really don't think at this point they care about the whole who did it or who told who to do it situation at this point. In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter. The QB has denied it. The Coach has denied it. I really think in the NFL's mind at this point they just know that New England did it. They need to do something, they have 31 other teams (along with their fan bases) watching and seeing what they do. Yes the punishment will be over the top due to the repeat offender status and the fact that the other teams are really interested in how this all turns out. I really don't think this will be a slap on the wrist. They have (the NFL I mean) said that they will be holding the coaches and owners and organizations as a whole more accountable then they would an individual player. Now you look at who is in charge of the day to day football operations for the team. If I'm not mistaken NE has no "official" GM in place and that Belichik fills that role. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's how it is set up. Well when you punish a whole organization like this, you punish the guy running it (suspension) and the group as a whole. The precedence is there for the NFL to do both with questionable evidence before. (Couldn't prove Sean Payton knew a damn thing...gone for a year for example). What I meant is they have deflated footballs but no definitive idea who messed with them. 3 days of a supposed investigation and they seem to be nowhere. Again, how the hell haven't they gone after Brady yet? From what I've seen (I mean f*** you can't go anywhere without this story beating you over the head), is that after the balls are approved by the game official the chain of custody is passed back to the teams until game time. It's been pretty much established at this point that the balls were tampered with after the official inspection. I mean I could be wrong but at this point they know what they have in terms of evidence for this last game. I honestly think the NFL is more looking into the whispers of this happening in other games (Mike Adams in the earlier game this year. The Ravens sending the heads up to the Colts about the deflated balls for this last game...that stuff) If they can establish what looks like a pattern, it lends more credence to a stiff penalty then a one time thing that can be argued as a "mistake" and dropping the boom. Granted this is completely my speculation on the situation and I could be totally wrong but I really feel that is where the NFL is looking and spending their resources. They already know what Brady is going to say. I think the NFL is really pissed off about this whole situation, especially after the PR disaster that this season was for them, and they are looking to make an example out of them for this.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2015 20:00:09 GMT -5
But if you're running a transparent investigation, you cover all bases. No matter how obvious. I just wonder what's going on. I feel like there's another twist coming
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 22, 2015 20:03:30 GMT -5
The surprising thing is how many ex and current players are speaking out about this being overblown and/or not a big issue. It sure doesn't excuse anything, but it's a weird aspect It's because there's more cheating in the NFL by everyone than the average fan wants to admit. Spygate was overblown, because let's face it, every team was doing it. There's holding on every single play, but the refs don't call it all the time. Hell, the Seahawks secondary holds on every play for that very reason. Quite a few players when Bountygate broke said that happens with every team. Everyone's looking for an advantage, they'll break the rules for it.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jan 22, 2015 20:08:36 GMT -5
I could not care less about this story.
If these were the Colts balls deflated, if these deflated balls were used IN THE SECOND HALF AS WELL, and if it were a closer game, I might give a crap about this DeflateGate whatever.
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Post by bluemeii on Jan 22, 2015 20:10:37 GMT -5
But if you're running a transparent investigation, you cover all bases. No matter how obvious. I just wonder what's going on. I feel like there's another twist coming Well that right there should answer most of your questions. This isn't a "fact finding" investigation like you would see in a criminal case. This is just simply "can we pile it up high enough to drop the boom on them". I think their minds are made up on what they want to do already. I'm not saying this to piss of Pats fans, or to sit her rubbing my hands together going "yessss yessss" with an evil laugh watching them in trouble again. I'm just saying this as a disgusted football fan that's sick of this shit this year and this is like the giant used tissue on top of the shit sundae that has been the NFL season this year. (sorry for the gross imagery)
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2015 20:13:32 GMT -5
But if you're running a transparent investigation, you cover all bases. No matter how obvious. I just wonder what's going on. I feel like there's another twist coming Well that right there should answer most of your questions. This isn't a "fact finding" investigation like you would see in a criminal case. This is just simply "can we pile it up high enough to drop the boom on them". I think their minds are made up on what they want to do already. I'm not saying this to piss of Pats fans, or to sit her rubbing my hands together going "yessss yessss" with an evil laugh watching them in trouble again. I'm just saying this as a disgusted football fan that's sick of this shit this year and this is like the giant used tissue on top of the shit sundae that has been the NFL season this year. (sorry for the gross imagery) After the Rice fiasco, the League would be really f***ing stupid NOT to do a complete transparent investigation
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 22, 2015 20:38:30 GMT -5
Have you even read this thread and the last one? You do realize that it's already been said more than a dozen times that this has nothing to do with the Colts losing, right? The Patriots cheated. It doesn't matter what the outcome is. They got caught doing it. Do you understand these things? Yes, I have read the thread and yes people are jumping to conclusions. It hasn't been proven that the Patriots cheated, much like a lot of people you're jumping to conclusions as well. What I am seeing is a lot of people not acknowleding that the Colts were defeated soundly by a superior team. Deflated balls had nothing to do with it whatsoever. As a fellow Patriots fan who's run the gambit of emotions the past few days let me lay out my feelings on this matter (again). Back in 2007 the Patriots were caught video taping coaching signals from the sidelines in violation of the rules. Even after the NFL sent out a memo telling teams to stop the Patriots continued. Now the advantage gained fom this was minimal at best but a massive shit storm soon followed, embarrassing both the team and the NFL. Now I think a lot about Spygate was overblown. It wasn't the reason for the Patriots success and I don't feel our championships are tainted. But they did break a rule and were punished heavily. And it was a rule they didn't need to break. Now moving on to today. You're right when you say it hasn't been proven that the Patriots deflated those balls. But after already being implicated in a high profile scandal previously and thier penchant for exploiting every loophole they aren't likely to get the benefit of the doubt. Now just like Spygate, a lot about Deflategate is overblown (pun not intended). They didn't need deflated footballs to beat the Colts. Even the Colts admit that. And that's what makes it so fustrating. They stepped right into a shit storm again for something that they didn't need to do. Now the Patriots aren't the only team that looks for every edge they can. And almost all QBs alters the game balls to their personal preference and some may push it beyond NFL regulations. But because of what happened in the past the Patriots are held to a higher standard and any wrongdoing they do isn't going to be overlooked so easily whether it's fair or not. I understand why many of my fellow Pats fans are so upset and defensive. I hate it when people challenge the validity of the Patriots success. But the Patriots set themselves up for this. In his book " "Coaching Confidential" author Gary Myers recalls a conversation Bob Kraft had with Bill Belichick after the Spygate scandal: Now I love Belichick and Tom Brady to death, but if they were responsible for this than they were real schmucks, and because of that we have to go through all this bull***t again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 21:08:11 GMT -5
This is such a non-story that it's ridiculous. At the end of the day it changes nothing about this season. The Patriots are still in the Super Bowl and if they are indeed guilty of this the NFL will fine them and take some draft picks away and (hopefully) put in better ball protocol for the Super Bowl/ future seasons. It's not even really worth being a talking point anymore.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Jan 22, 2015 22:22:20 GMT -5
Speaking Thursday, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam admitted the team has no idea whom its 2015 starting quarterback will be. They'll probably draft one
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