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Post by Heartbreaker on Jan 21, 2015 22:45:36 GMT -5
I'm surprised they haven't tried to pull a Les Enfants Terribles with Captain America and clone him.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Jan 21, 2015 22:53:31 GMT -5
I'm surprised they haven't tried to pull a Les Enfants Terribles with Captain America and clone him. Red skull did it in the early 90's, he put his mind into a Captain clone. Iirc it didnt last because the body's cell structure began to break down/ the cloning process didnt work right kind of thing. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 21, 2015 22:56:21 GMT -5
I'm surprised they haven't tried to pull a Les Enfants Terribles with Captain America and clone him. For most of the mid-1980s through sometime during Brubaker's Cap run, the Red Skull was actually the Skull's conscience housed in a clone of Rogers' body. After he died in Cap #300 of old age, Zola put his mind in a Cap clone body and that's what he had until that body was destroyed many years later. |
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Jan 21, 2015 23:39:12 GMT -5
You know, if Marvel Studios had control of The X-Men movies I'm pretty sure they'd tie in Wolverine & Weapon X to it as well
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 21, 2015 23:48:43 GMT -5
You know, if Marvel Studios had control of The X-Men movies I'm pretty sure they'd tie in Wolverine & Weapon X to it as well Well sure, but the comics already did it. Cap was Weapon I, and the revelation that the "X" in Weapon X wasn't a letter but a roman numeral. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 22, 2015 0:05:42 GMT -5
You know, if Marvel Studios had control of The X-Men movies I'm pretty sure they'd tie in Wolverine & Weapon X to it as well Well sure, but the comics already did it. Cap was Weapon I, and the revelation that the "X" in Weapon X wasn't a letter but a roman numeral. So where does Draco the Dragon fit into all of this? |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 22, 2015 0:17:24 GMT -5
Well sure, but the comics already did it. Cap was Weapon I, and the revelation that the "X" in Weapon X wasn't a letter but a roman numeral. So where does Draco the Dragon fit into all of this? According to our Appendix bio on him, he doesn't. www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/dracospd.htm |
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 22, 2015 0:39:06 GMT -5
it was war time. the lead in pencils had to be used to make bullets. you couldn't just give some scientist a freaking pencil!
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 22, 2015 5:00:25 GMT -5
A lot of the questions were answered here, so I'll just chime in with some notes I remember from animated works.
In the animated Ultimate Avengers movie series, Banner uses research on the Super Soldier formula, as well as blood samples from Cap himself, to try to stabilize his Hulk transformation. At first it seems to work, but then rage takes over.
Then, in the 90s Spider-Man series, they tied Black Cat with Captain America by having her being given a modified version of the serum, giving her powers and the ability to change her body type and hair color.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jan 22, 2015 5:10:15 GMT -5
it was war time. the lead in pencils had to be used to make bullets. you couldn't just give some scientist a freaking pencil! He should have pulled out the bullet that he got shot with and quickly wrote down the formula before he died. |
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jan 22, 2015 5:16:46 GMT -5
I dunno about the movie version, but the comics Bucky/Winter Soldier does not have the serum in him and never did. He's a cyborg, instead. Actually not. Rogers was already active when all that went down. The writers and some pub materials pushed it as such early on when it was still going to be an out-of-continuity project, but that was never the actual case by the time it was actually published; even in Isaiah's book, the time period things went down occurred after Cap was Cap, as the last issues reveal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Bradley#Captain_America_timelineTons of attempts to replicate the formula in the MU. Even Man-Thing is a result of a botched attempt. The 1950s Cap and his Bucky (later Nomad) both had a faulty version in their systems, causing them to go insane. Luke Cage is another attempt with a variation. Even Omega Red is a botched attempt I can see the scientists behind that guy right now. Scientist A: Okay the Americans made a super soldier what have we got? Scientist B: We have injected are superior russian subject with Carbonadium. Scientist A: Isn't that highly poisonous? Wait isn't this the serial kille r the KGB caught last month? Scientist B: .... well erm yes, but ... Scientist A: Why has he got tentacles made of Carbonadium too? We are trying to make a captain america here you blundering fool! Scientist B: It's okay Uri, we have made a Carbonadium Synthesizer so he is not poisoned by his own body, he will be unstoppable. Scientist A: Great, so where is this Carbonadium Synthesizer? Scientist B: Well er you see, it was stolen by three mutants last week. Scientist A: Ugh ok enough, put him on Ice and shelve this project, I'm transferring to the Crimson Dynamo project. |
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Post by Goldenbane on Jan 22, 2015 5:45:50 GMT -5
Didn't they state that even the Green Goblin formula is a failed attempt at recreating the Super Soldier Serum?
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jan 22, 2015 6:10:14 GMT -5
Didn't they state that even the Green Goblin formula is a failed attempt at recreating the Super Soldier Serum? In the Ultimate Universe it is |
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Post by hossfan on Jan 22, 2015 7:57:12 GMT -5
You may have a point. Nuke does come to mind, also the 1950's Captain America/ Burnsides had a mild obsession with the original Captain not just Captain America either. Captain Atom's arch enemy Major Force had the same power set as him because someone said "y'know that guy with the godlike super-strength and crazy quantum field powers? wouldn't it be better if he was a psychotic rapist?" Unless they redid continuity that's not quite true. As I recall the military wasn't trying to create super soldiers with the experiment that created Captain Atom. They were simply testing some weird, extra-dimensional energy source (or maybe it was an alien metal, I forget) in the 1960s by exposing it to humans. Nathanial Adam was chosen as a subject because he was a (falsely) convicted traitor. The experiment was thought to have destroyed him, but instead it flung him forward in time a couple decades with his new powers. Once this happened the people behind the project made him into a super hero, complete with a phony history. They also realized the same thing would happen, to the man who would become Major Force, who was a legit scumbag and the second person exposed to the stuff. Like I said, given the fluid nature of comic book history, this could have been changed. Edit: Now that I think about it, this is the 80s origin of the character, not the original Charlton Heroes one. I have no idea how 1960s era Captain Atom got his powers. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 22, 2015 9:33:00 GMT -5
All the talk of the MCU with Centipede and potentially Bucky... and no one mentioned a pretty big one...  He took a prototype version which turned him into the red skull. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 22, 2015 12:43:26 GMT -5
I see, so he did that to himself for poops and giggles. It had been a long time since I read that particular comic (or listened to the accompanying record), so I did not remember the specifics about him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 13:48:18 GMT -5
Secret formulas and serums are SOOOOO 1940's. The 60's were all about radioactive experiments and then by the 70's rolled around people were all into mutants and alien technology. Now its all about nano-bots and what not.
Even if they wanted to keep up with the super soldier experiments what would be the point? When you've got Asgardian gods, Hulks and aliens with next-level technology, the idea of a "super soldier" seems quaint.
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Post by hossfan on Jan 22, 2015 13:51:15 GMT -5
Secret formulas and serums are SOOOOO 1940's. The 60's were all about radioactive experiments and then by the 70's rolled around people were all into mutants and alien technology. Now its all about nano-bots and what not. Even if they wanted to keep up with the super soldier experiments what would be the point? When you've got Asgardian gods, Hulks and aliens with next-level technology, the idea of a "super soldier" seems quaint. To create an army of them loyal to your country and government instead of relying on a bunch of flaky "superheroes" to protect your interests. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 22, 2015 14:05:05 GMT -5
Secret formulas and serums are SOOOOO 1940's. The 60's were all about radioactive experiments and then by the 70's rolled around people were all into mutants and alien technology. Now its all about nano-bots and what not. Even if they wanted to keep up with the super soldier experiments what would be the point? When you've got Asgardian gods, Hulks and aliens with next-level technology, the idea of a "super soldier" seems quaint. To create an army of them loyal to your country and government instead of relying on a bunch of flaky "superheroes" to protect your interests. Yeah, but even the Super Soliders aren't necessary loyal to the government... Hell Captain America openly went against the US government before. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 14:07:30 GMT -5
Secret formulas and serums are SOOOOO 1940's. The 60's were all about radioactive experiments and then by the 70's rolled around people were all into mutants and alien technology. Now its all about nano-bots and what not. Even if they wanted to keep up with the super soldier experiments what would be the point? When you've got Asgardian gods, Hulks and aliens with next-level technology, the idea of a "super soldier" seems quaint. To create an army of them loyal to your country and government instead of relying on a bunch of flaky "superheroes" to protect your interests. I mean, they even tried making robots to do that same thing and it blew up in their faces. Expecting super-powered humans to be any more reliable or loyal? Don't think so. |
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