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Post by saintpat on Jan 26, 2015 0:33:21 GMT -5
I've hardly been around for about six weeks or so -- barely checked up on the forums, have only seen WWE/Raw in bits and pieces.
So while I was aware that not everyone was on the Roman Reigns bandwagon, and while I am aware that Philly fans often go into business for themselves ... not sure how to interpret the reaction to the RR here and in the arena.
Are we basically rewound to last year, where any result other than Daniel Bryan winning (winning the Rumble, winning the main event at WM) is not acceptable? Is it that basically there's a majority of people who are still in the "DB or we riot" camp?
Or is it more anti-RR (and who besides DB would be accepted by the disaffected if that's the case)?
Last year, I was in the camp that felt DB absolutely had to be in the main event at WM and had to win it all for the big YES moment ... but that had as much to do with it being essential to the DB vs. The Authority storyline as any loyalty or affection for Bryan himself. I mean, I like him and like his work but for me it was never "he has to win because he is THE guy and it's just wrong for him not to" for me.
This year, like I said, I've missed some things due to work and such and haven't been able to keep up as closely, but I don't see why it would be essential for him to do it again. To me it would be kind of like watching a rerun as there's no compelling storyline (that I'm aware of) but feels more like a "we just want this guy because we picked him" kind of thing.
So help me understand: where are you coming from on this, and where do you think others are coming from?
And in your opinion, is it really (to use that term) Best for Business that WWE should book Daniel Bryan in the Rey Mysterio underdog-who-can-never-lose mold for months and months to come?
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Post by JCBaggee on Jan 26, 2015 0:39:00 GMT -5
Reigns is being shoved down their throats, and everyone hates it. Near as I can tell, a lot of the people who dislike Reigns don't really "hate him"; he's just green and needs a lot of grooming, but a lot of the people (myself included) don't mind his work.
But the guys who are ready and the fans want to cheer...Bryan, Ziggler, Cesaro, Wyatt, etc. etc. etc. got tossed out, and in some cases looked like chumps.
The capper, for me at least, was The Rock coming out at the end. That tells me the lesson WWE learned last year wasn't "We should listen to the fans, they want to cheer" it was "We can do whatever we want as long as we send out someone else afterwards so we can edit the footage more in our favor".
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Post by Green Arrow on Jan 26, 2015 0:39:49 GMT -5
Dolph would have done Ambrose would have done Bryan would have done Bray would have done Rusev would have done Glacier would have done Batista would have been cheered
Stevie Wonder saw Reigns' win coming about 2 weeks after the Slammys.
No one's interested... They're 12 months too late.
With that in mind, I fully expect to see today's hot commodity win next year, about 6 months after his steam has died.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jan 26, 2015 0:41:09 GMT -5
It was three things with me. They royally screwed up last year so I was hoping (although not expecting) that they'd maybe redeem it by giving us what we should have seen at the Rumble last year and Bryan (although this bit isn't their fault) could finally have a proper WWE WHC run. Second, while I wanted Bryan to win I would have accepted Ziggler or Ambrose and so would the crowd judging by the reactions they got. And third to me it was the nonchalant fashion with which Bryan, Ziggler and Ambrose were eliminated that pissed me off.
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 26, 2015 0:41:46 GMT -5
every new star with potential gets pushed one way or another.. maybe had Reigns done indies or not from rock family, he wouldn't be hated so much.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 26, 2015 0:44:21 GMT -5
I've hardly been around for about six weeks or so -- barely checked up on the forums, have only seen WWE/Raw in bits and pieces. So while I was aware that not everyone was on the Roman Reigns bandwagon, and while I am aware that Philly fans often go into business for themselves ... not sure how to interpret the reaction to the RR here and in the arena. Are we basically rewound to last year, where any result other than Daniel Bryan winning (winning the Rumble, winning the main event at WM) is not acceptable? Is it that basically there's a majority of people who are still in the "DB or we riot" camp? Or is it more anti-RR (and who besides DB would be accepted by the disaffected if that's the case)? Last year, I was in the camp that felt DB absolutely had to be in the main event at WM and had to win it all for the big YES moment ... but that had as much to do with it being essential to the DB vs. The Authority storyline as any loyalty or affection for Bryan himself. I mean, I like him and like his work but for me it was never "he has to win because he is THE guy and it's just wrong for him not to" for me. This year, like I said, I've missed some things due to work and such and haven't been able to keep up as closely, but I don't see why it would be essential for him to do it again. To me it would be kind of like watching a rerun as there's no compelling storyline (that I'm aware of) but feels more like a "we just want this guy because we picked him" kind of thing. So help me understand: where are you coming from on this, and where do you think others are coming from? And in your opinion, is it really (to use that term) Best for Business that WWE should book Daniel Bryan in the Rey Mysterio underdog-who-can-never-lose mold for months and months to come? I stopped watching the WWE last year but still kept an ear out to see if they ever got interesting enough to give them another shot. My take on it is as follows: 1) Reigns isn't ready yet. The WWE has a history of shoving guys into spots before they are ready because Vince fell in love with that guy for some damned reason. Some people recovered and became huge when they got better (like the Rock) and some did not. Others just kind of are there (Orton comes to mind). Personally, Reigns as the top guy does not interest me in the slightest. At least Batista could be interesting, even as a part-timer. 2) I don't think it had to be DB that went over. Ziggler could have gone over and the crowd probably would have loved it. Same with Ambrose. Rollins could have been inserted into the Rumble and won it, either signifying that he will break away from the Authority or that Lesnar will turn face (though he strikes me as a thoroughly unlikable guy, so that might be a hard sell in the long run). 3) Hell, they could have done something completely unexpected and had someone else win, like Bray, Rusev, or Swagger. Sure, it would mean shooting that guy to the moon in a hurry to set up his match with Lesnar, but at least that would have been something completely new and potentially intriguing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 0:45:21 GMT -5
I've hardly been around for about six weeks or so -- barely checked up on the forums, have only seen WWE/Raw in bits and pieces. So while I was aware that not everyone was on the Roman Reigns bandwagon, and while I am aware that Philly fans often go into business for themselves ... not sure how to interpret the reaction to the RR here and in the arena. Are we basically rewound to last year, where any result other than Daniel Bryan winning (winning the Rumble, winning the main event at WM) is not acceptable? Is it that basically there's a majority of people who are still in the "DB or we riot" camp? Or is it more anti-RR (and who besides DB would be accepted by the disaffected if that's the case)? Last year, I was in the camp that felt DB absolutely had to be in the main event at WM and had to win it all for the big YES moment ... but that had as much to do with it being essential to the DB vs. The Authority storyline as any loyalty or affection for Bryan himself. I mean, I like him and like his work but for me it was never "he has to win because he is THE guy and it's just wrong for him not to" for me. This year, like I said, I've missed some things due to work and such and haven't been able to keep up as closely, but I don't see why it would be essential for him to do it again. To me it would be kind of like watching a rerun as there's no compelling storyline (that I'm aware of) but feels more like a "we just want this guy because we picked him" kind of thing. So help me understand: where are you coming from on this, and where do you think others are coming from? And in your opinion, is it really (to use that term) Best for Business that WWE should book Daniel Bryan in the Rey Mysterio underdog-who-can-never-lose mold for months and months to come? The people wanted Bryan to win, but when it didn't happen they were great with Ambrose, then Rusev as possibilities. It wasn't "Bryan or nothing". It was "Not Roman Reigns".
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 26, 2015 0:46:08 GMT -5
every new star with potential gets pushed one way or another.. maybe had Reigns done indies or not from rock family, he wouldn't be hated so much. The issue that most people, including myself, have with Reigns is that he just isn't ready. He's bland in-ring, average on the mic, and the fans have been given no reason to cheer for him besides being put against the bad guys. A superpush doesn't need to be bad, look at Austin and Rock. It just needs to be done well.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jan 26, 2015 0:47:08 GMT -5
It's like you said: They want him simply because they picked him as the chosen one. It has nothing to do with his wrestling talent or promo skills. It has everything to do with his looks and his family tree. There's not a damn thing organic about it. The guys that the fans actually DO want to cheer are made to look like complete jokes or they're on NXT every week. They flat-out don't listen to their fans and could care less about them. It has been an issue with the WWE for quite some time, but tonight was a huge 'f*** you' to the fans. They're so arrogant because they're the only game in town. They know a lot of people who hate them will come crawling back every Monday simply because there's no other option. Yes, some independent promotions and NJPW are better, but they're a little harder to see.
As far as Bryan, I don't think you have to do the underdog story at all anymore. He beat Triple H, Randy Orton, and Batista in one night. He should be booked as a credible threat. There's nothing wrong with booking him as such. The underdog narrative is constantly pushed because the WWE insists on booking him to be such.
I think people are just fed up in general with the WWE. For a lot of people, there's not a lot of reasons to watch right now. It's a very bad era for the WWE.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 26, 2015 0:49:13 GMT -5
It's a combination of things.
Bryan returning and announcing his entry made a lot of people excited for his potential win. Also Ziggler and Ambrose were getting really over in their own right. Reigns injury, lackluster return and awful promos killed a lot of his appeal, as well as being generally unproven on a main event level when compared to the prior mentioned guys. Finally the Rumble match itself was pretty awful in booking and execution.
It's a combination of things that went into the blender which became the total shit storm we saw.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Jan 26, 2015 0:49:47 GMT -5
yeah Reigns seems more like a scapegoat for a big general problem WWE has: building new stars (Ziggler, Bryan, Rollins and Wyatt would be candidates for the top spots atm), phasing out old stars (sick of Kane, Show, Henry, plus Cena & Orton should be used to put over the new guys)...that's how I interpret it though
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 26, 2015 0:51:18 GMT -5
Reigns is being pushed as Cena 2.0, which killed his heat. He needed to be pushed like a Goldberg, and having him meeting up with Brock would have meant something. It's a combination of the WWE's even steven kind of booking(Big Show shouldn't have been able to touch him, let alone knock him out), and Vince's obsession about pushing one type of character, the John Cena type. They did Reigns no favor, and he really doesn't look ready.
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Post by saintpat on Jan 26, 2015 0:53:28 GMT -5
I'm not invested in Roman Reigns either way ... if he won tonight or not, if he goes on to beat Brock at WM or not, I'm OK with all of that. I can be content with the fact that he's a fresh face and it's not some endless Cena/Orton/HHH rerun.
That aside, I thought the Rumble itself was pretty awful. Bad booking that didn't make RR look strong as a winner and the whole match was rather meh (enjoyed Bubba Ray and DDP, freely admit that I marked out like a 12-year-old for them).
The title match was good and well booked to me, but the rest of the show was well below par for a Rumble to me.
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 26, 2015 0:53:49 GMT -5
every new star with potential gets pushed one way or another.. maybe had Reigns done indies or not from rock family, he wouldn't be hated so much. The issue that most people, including myself, have with Reigns is that he just isn't ready. He's bland in-ring, average on the mic, and the fans have been given no reason to cheer for him besides being put against the bad guys. A superpush doesn't need to be bad, look at Austin and Rock. It just needs to be done well. i think he can improve with him being young and working with guys like Bryan & Cesaro. i really don't think he's that bad in ring compared to guys they have pushed in the past (Sid, Yokozuna, Diesel & Mabel) and the only problem is scripted promos. I have seen him on live mic with unscripted environment, he's really good.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 26, 2015 0:54:43 GMT -5
Are we basically rewound to last year, where any result other than Daniel Bryan winning (winning the Rumble, winning the main event at WM) is not acceptable? Is it that basically there's a majority of people who are still in the "DB or we riot" camp? Or is it more anti-RR (and who besides DB would be accepted by the disaffected if that's the case)? Last year, I was in the camp that felt DB absolutely had to be in the main event at WM and had to win it all for the big YES moment ... but that had as much to do with it being essential to the DB vs. The Authority storyline as any loyalty or affection for Bryan himself. I mean, I like him and like his work but for me it was never "he has to win because he is THE guy and it's just wrong for him not to" for me. This year, like I said, I've missed some things due to work and such and haven't been able to keep up as closely, but I don't see why it would be essential for him to do it again. To me it would be kind of like watching a rerun as there's no compelling storyline (that I'm aware of) but feels more like a "we just want this guy because we picked him" kind of thing. So help me understand: where are you coming from on this, and where do you think others are coming from? And in your opinion, is it really (to use that term) Best for Business that WWE should book Daniel Bryan in the Rey Mysterio underdog-who-can-never-lose mold for months and months to come? I've never seen a need to repeat last year. Bryan is already an established main eventer that they can and probably will utilise in PPV main events and title runs during the course of the year. Unless you're a Hogan/Austin/Cena level over then I think the argument to win twice in a row at WM isn't particularly compelling. Unless Reigns becomes a boom-period setter then I'd feel the same about him next year too. If you're asking where I think others are coming from - I don't think I can answer that without angering lot of emotional people on this board right now
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 0:57:00 GMT -5
Dolph would have done Ambrose would have done Bryan would have done Bray would have done Rusev would have done Glacier would have done Batista would have been cheered Stevie Wonder saw Reigns' win coming about 2 weeks after the Slammys. No one's interested... They're 12 months too late. With that in mind, I fully expect to see today's hot commodity win next year, about 6 months after his steam has died. Given how long it's been since there's been a Rumble result that actually pleased people, I think next year's match is just going to consist of Big Show assembling a pile of the 29 most popular people on the roster and taking a massive dump on them all at once.
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Post by Evil Homer on Jan 26, 2015 0:59:36 GMT -5
im not upset Bryan didnt win , quite frankly he wouldnt have deserved this year , with being out majority of last year . My only complaint is , he was treated like a complete jobber
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Post by Starshine on Jan 26, 2015 1:00:15 GMT -5
The issue that most people, including myself, have with Reigns is that he just isn't ready. He's bland in-ring, average on the mic, and the fans have been given no reason to cheer for him besides being put against the bad guys. A superpush doesn't need to be bad, look at Austin and Rock. It just needs to be done well. i think he can improve with him being young and working with guys like Bryan & Cesaro. i really don't think he's that bad in ring compared to guys they have pushed in the past (Sid, Yokozuna, Diesel & Mabel) and the only problem is scripted promos. I have seen him on live mic with unscripted environment, he's really good. I agree, but do we want to see a guy main event while learning how to be a main eventer? Or do we want guys who are completely ready for the spot? Would it have really hurt to hold off on this push for a year?
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Post by kevin on Jan 26, 2015 1:00:21 GMT -5
I am with you. It absolutely makes no sense to me.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Jan 26, 2015 1:00:49 GMT -5
I would have accepted Dean Ambrose, Bray Wyatt, Big Show, Kane, or almost anyone else other than Reigns. The don't even hate Reigns so much, I just hate how stupid and simplistic his character and booking is going to become following this. I'm tired of that story.
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