Magnus the Magnificent
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 26, 2015 13:27:10 GMT -5
I believe this chant was directed towards the IRS...everyone looking for their tax refund. No refund for you. Quit your whining and pay what's due!
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lionheart21
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 26, 2015 13:31:22 GMT -5
You're taking it way too seriously. It's another way of saying, "wow, that was dookie. What in the actual f***, WWE?" Or are we doing "the fans are wrong" again? It's more along the lines of I can understand certain reactions and others while I don't like don't surprise me, but this one I just don't can't wrap my head around and try to figure out if the crowd that night actually felt that 20 minutes of the show that they didn't like warranted a chant of that nature Aside from the title match, the main draw was for the Rumble match itself. The booking in that match was absolute garbage, so the fans had every right to voice their displeasure.
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Post by angryfan on Jan 26, 2015 13:32:08 GMT -5
It was Philly, of course they were. So are Chicago fans, or MSG fans, or any major market if the reaction isn't what it "was supposed to be". In all seriousness, let's not forget that the last time the fans changed "we want refunds" people called into cable companies and GOT refunds. This time, we see the whole cancel network thing trending and, according to news reports on pwinsider (grain of salt, I know), calling customer service gets you told that "we can't do manual cancellations at this time and the webpage is down, sorry". Now that time was dumb too, but they were mad about a screwy finish that got reversed the next night, this case is "I didn't like the end result" to which if people actually think they should get refunds for that are out of their mind in my opinion It's not as out of line as you might think. If got a restaurant, and I'm a huge fan of they way they make their French fries, then I'm probably going to pay specific attention to, and have my visit predicated around, that item. If I order a plate of fries and there are less of them than usual and the quality isn't what it usually is, I have every right as a paying customer to say, "Hey, this is not what I was expecting". It has nothing to do with if the burger I got was good, or if the drink had the proper ratio of ice to beverage. If I did register my complaint and management came out and said, "Well, yeah, I get that you didn't like the fries, but you wanted that burger to be medium rare and it is, so shut up and stop complaining", then that would be seen as poor customer service. If I go see a movie sequel because one of my favorite movie characters is in it, and he is billed as being a big part of said movie and has his name up there in the credits, then I'm going to not be pleased when they kill him off early on and unceremoniously. I would not be alone, nor would there be some backlash because I said, "I am a paying customer, I do not like this, I want a refund".
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 26, 2015 17:17:45 GMT -5
Now that time was dumb too, but they were mad about a screwy finish that got reversed the next night, this case is "I didn't like the end result" to which if people actually think they should get refunds for that are out of their mind in my opinion It's not as out of line as you might think. If got a restaurant, and I'm a huge fan of they way they make their French fries, then I'm probably going to pay specific attention to, and have my visit predicated around, that item. If I order a plate of fries and there are less of them than usual and the quality isn't what it usually is, I have every right as a paying customer to say, "Hey, this is not what I was expecting". It has nothing to do with if the burger I got was good, or if the drink had the proper ratio of ice to beverage. If I did register my complaint and management came out and said, "Well, yeah, I get that you didn't like the fries, but you wanted that burger to be medium rare and it is, so shut up and stop complaining", then that would be seen as poor customer service. If I go see a movie sequel because one of my favorite movie characters is in it, and he is billed as being a big part of said movie and has his name up there in the credits, then I'm going to not be pleased when they kill him off early on and unceremoniously. I would not be alone, nor would there be some backlash because I said, "I am a paying customer, I do not like this, I want a refund". But now say you eat 95% of the burger and then say "I didn't like this" and went and asked management for a refund. My cousin is a chef and will be the first to tell you that he despises customers who do that, because he knows that they just are trying to get out of having to pay for their food. If they give you less fries than usual, then you have to say "hey you didn't give me that many fries" if you eat the fries and don't speak up until AFTER, you make it seem like you have no problem with the service. I had something like that happen at McDonald's once. I immediately went up to the counter and said "Hey this really isn't filled all the way" and they filled it up. But that's also a quantitative variable. You can count the amount of fries and say "This is less than what they usually give me" whereas a viewpoint of a tv show or movie is completely subjective. They don't have to say "You can like it or shut up" but WWE provided everything they advertised in advance. No matches were cancelled, the Rumble was still a Rumble, and the title match was still a triple threat title match. There were no crazy shenanigans that would nullify and make any of the matches not count in the future. I don't think people should be asking for refunds because they had expectations based on their own perceptions and not what the product they were actually going to purchase was advertising.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 17:24:30 GMT -5
The crowd was clearly excited that they just got their W-2s.
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Post by angryfan on Jan 26, 2015 17:48:02 GMT -5
It's not as out of line as you might think. If got a restaurant, and I'm a huge fan of they way they make their French fries, then I'm probably going to pay specific attention to, and have my visit predicated around, that item. If I order a plate of fries and there are less of them than usual and the quality isn't what it usually is, I have every right as a paying customer to say, "Hey, this is not what I was expecting". It has nothing to do with if the burger I got was good, or if the drink had the proper ratio of ice to beverage. If I did register my complaint and management came out and said, "Well, yeah, I get that you didn't like the fries, but you wanted that burger to be medium rare and it is, so shut up and stop complaining", then that would be seen as poor customer service. If I go see a movie sequel because one of my favorite movie characters is in it, and he is billed as being a big part of said movie and has his name up there in the credits, then I'm going to not be pleased when they kill him off early on and unceremoniously. I would not be alone, nor would there be some backlash because I said, "I am a paying customer, I do not like this, I want a refund". But now say you eat 95% of the burger and then say "I didn't like this" and went and asked management for a refund. My cousin is a chef and will be the first to tell you that he despises customers who do that, because he knows that they just are trying to get out of having to pay for their food. If they give you less fries than usual, then you have to say "hey you didn't give me that many fries" if you eat the fries and don't speak up until AFTER, you make it seem like you have no problem with the service. I had something like that happen at McDonald's once. I immediately went up to the counter and said "Hey this really isn't filled all the way" and they filled it up. But that's also a quantitative variable. You can count the amount of fries and say "This is less than what they usually give me" whereas a viewpoint of a tv show or movie is completely subjective. They don't have to say "You can like it or shut up" but WWE provided everything they advertised in advance. No matches were cancelled, the Rumble was still a Rumble, and the title match was still a triple threat title match. There were no crazy shenanigans that would nullify and make any of the matches not count in the future. I don't think people should be asking for refunds because they had expectations based on their own perceptions and not what the product they were actually going to purchase was advertising. I think I see our disconnect. You are looking at a single-event situation, I am looking at a trend. In a single-event, you are absolutely right. They advertised "here are the matches" and then delivered said matches. In that isolated event, there is no reason to revolt or complain beyond, "I didn't like the ending", unless you want to subscribe to the movie analogy I made. I'm looking big picture. I'm looking long term and saying, "If the paying customers in multiple cities (both "smark towns" and I guess "regular fan cities") tell you, "We want this specific thing right here, we are willing to pay for that specific thing" and the response is "nope, you'll get this other thing" and that keeps happening, then the demand for a refund is justified. If a person goes to a bakery, and keeps saying, "You advertise this one cake, I want it, it looks great and I will pay you to make it for me", then by all rights they should be able to buy the advertised cake from the menu. If the baker says, "Here's a sample of that cake, it's not thke whole thing, but it's almost a full piece. I took the money you paid for the order and made you this other cake" then the customer may be understandably pissed. The baker then "makes it right" and makes the cake at a later date, so the customer thinks, "ok, good, it all worked out in the end". Fast forward and the customer comes in and says, "That cake was great, I want to order another one" and the baker gives them another piece while using their order money to make yet another cake that they didn't order. That's a trend, it's not a one time thing. That's someone saying, "I know you want this, but I'd prefer if you wanted that other thing instead, so I'm giving you that other thing".
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FAR5222
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Post by FAR5222 on Jan 26, 2015 17:55:36 GMT -5
Why do fans have a problem with fans in the same fandom? People use their money and would like to get what they want. what's so hard about that?
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 26, 2015 17:58:22 GMT -5
First, define what you mean by “narcissistic,” because I have VERY strong doubts to the legitimacy with which you are using the term. Perhaps you can justify how the single phrase, “We want refunds” perfectly illustrates at least five of the necessary criterion for such a diagnosis, but I'm thinking you simply decided to dust off your old Wheelchair Psychologist Hat and toss out a technical term which should have actually been substituted with a more appropriate saying found in common vernacular: “entitled.” Second, please specify an adequate reason (i.e., a reason not constrained by bias) why one should not request a refund when denied a requested service. You don't deserve a refund because you didn't get the result you wanted... The above does not qualify as adequate. If I happen to purchase a DVD—for a film, let's say—and I have all the special features, but I cannot gain access to the actual film (i.e., I have been denied what I want), I'm typically still rewarded a refund.
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Post by Catchphrase! on Jan 26, 2015 18:27:42 GMT -5
I wish; I would have access to some of the greatest coffee mugs known to man.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 18:55:49 GMT -5
Why do fans have a problem with fans in the same fandom? People use their money and would like to get what they want. what's so hard about that? Because they don't like what I like. That makes them wrong and inferior!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 19:03:47 GMT -5
Okay Literal Louie.
"We want refunds" just means "We aren't happy with the result of the show or the booking in general for the past 3 to 5 to 7 months and this was just the proverbial cherry on top of the garbage sundae that pushed us over the edge because we thought that maybe, just maybe wwe wouldn't make the same stupid mistake twice on top of all the other lackluster stuff they've been doing recently so this being the big build up to wrestlemania makes us feel like the poor state of the product isn't going to change anytime in the near future so this is our way of expressing distate with the product overall (even if a few things about the show were pretty fun, but overall - not so much)!!"
Now, while I agree that would be a more informative chant, "We want refunds" is catchier and gets the same thing across.
But go ahead and take them literally, because...you know, it makes for a better sounding arguement I guess?
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RIHT
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Post by RIHT on Jan 26, 2015 19:06:50 GMT -5
I believe this chant was directed towards the IRS...everyone looking for their tax refund. Imagine if IRS got over as a face. "INCOME TAXES! *clap* *clap* *clapclapclap*"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 19:06:58 GMT -5
"We aren't happy with the result of the show or the booking in general for the past 3 to 5 to 7 months and this was just the proverbial cherry on top of the garbage sundae that pushed us over the edge because we thought that maybe, just maybe wwe wouldn't make the same stupid mistake twice on top of all the other lackluster stuff they've been doing recently so this being the big build up to wrestlemania makes us feel like the poor state of the product isn't going to change anytime in the near future so this is our way of expressing distate with the product overall (even if a few things about the show were pretty fun, but overall - not so much)!!" Clap clap...clap clap clap.
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BigJerichool222
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Jan 26, 2015 19:07:04 GMT -5
These people bought tickets for a show knowing EXACTLY what was going to go down.
You can't buy a shitty movie on DVD, watch it, then demand a refund because it was so shitty.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jan 26, 2015 19:13:56 GMT -5
They got the show that was advertised. Whether you think it was a good, bad, or mediocre show is subjective and if it doesn't entitle you to a refund if it doesn't go where you want creatively. Unless they advertised ahead of time that Reigns wasn't gonna win the Rumble, then you'd have a claim to a refund. Although that's be a weird commercial "All these matches, plus the thirty man over the top rope Royal Rumble. With Bray Wyatt, Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, Kane, The Big Show, Roman Reigns (who isn't gonna win), and more!"
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jan 26, 2015 19:17:33 GMT -5
I believe this chant was directed towards the IRS...everyone looking for their tax refund. No refund for you. Quit your whining and pay what's due!H&R Block is offering to file customers' state taxes for $9.99. The WWE Network costs $9.99 a month. The pieces are falling into place!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 19:23:40 GMT -5
They got the show that was advertised. Whether you think it was a good, bad, or mediocre show is subjective and if it doesn't entitle you to a refund if it doesn't go where you want creatively. In all fairness to those people, movie theaters routinely hand out refunds simply because people didn't like the movie. Even if they stay to the very end. I remember reading about that horror movie "The Devil Inside" which apparently had a very bad ending (didn't watch, so I can't say) but there was a small amount of hay made about how many people were asking for refunds because the ending sucked. If a consumer feels the overall quality of something isn't worth way they paid for it, they can ask for a refund. But like I said in a previous post, people are taking the chants too literally. They were just saying they didn't like it, not that they actually wanted refunds.
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Post by King Boo on Jan 26, 2015 19:38:14 GMT -5
Holy crap, it's just a way of saying the shit show they sat through wasn't worth the money they spent on it.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jan 26, 2015 19:40:52 GMT -5
They got the show that was advertised. Whether you think it was a good, bad, or mediocre show is subjective and if it doesn't entitle you to a refund if it doesn't go where you want creatively. In all fairness to those people, movie theaters routinely hand out refunds simply because people didn't like the movie. Even if they stay to the very end. I remember reading about that horror movie "The Devil Inside" which apparently had a very bad ending (didn't watch, so I can't say) but there was a small amount of hay made about how many people were asking for refunds because the ending sucked. It was a link to a website.
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