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Post by Boo! on Feb 1, 2015 7:20:41 GMT -5
I think the only thing saving Ambrose from the wrath and criticism of everything he does is he because he's perceived not to be the chosen one.
If Ambrose won that Rumble the feeling towards him wouldn't be anywhere near as warm, instead we'd be talking about how his look, in-ring work, promos, appeal and experience make him completely unsuitable for the push. As it is, he didn't get it, so everyone likes Ambrose. It's safe to right now. Give it a few months and if Ambrose is edging closer to the title picture there'll be a lot of people turning on him.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 1, 2015 7:31:43 GMT -5
Which is the total opposite of how should be booked. Yep He needs to be booked as a rebellious, unpredictable, rogue, not someone who does slapstick. Or at least not WWE's version of slapstick. Even Austin had silly moments sometimes (the beer truck, hitting Vince with a bedpan, Bang 3:16 etc), but they were generally funny and didn't detract from how badass and dangerous he was.
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Post by Boo! on Feb 1, 2015 7:33:00 GMT -5
I kinda like Ambrose as the guy who takes nothing seriously but who's on a hairpin trigger all the time. One moment he's pranking around having a laugh and the next he's trying to viciously bite your nose off your face.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 8:21:01 GMT -5
I think the only thing saving Ambrose from the wrath and criticism of everything he does is he because he's perceived not to be the chosen one. If Ambrose won that Rumble the feeling towards him wouldn't be anywhere near as warm, instead we'd be talking about how his look, in-ring work, promos, appeal and experience make him completely unsuitable for the push. As it is, he didn't get it, so everyone likes Ambrose. It's safe to right now. Give it a few months and if Ambrose is edging closer to the title picture there'll be a lot of people turning on him. Uh...What? Dude, my username is ambrose_fan. I would f***ing kill for him to be at the top. I don't know where you're getting this "if he won we'd turn on him" crap from but you're way off base.
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Post by Boo! on Feb 1, 2015 8:38:21 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about you.
I just think the warmness people have towards Ambrose or Ziggler or even Rollins would be much different had either of those guys won the Rumble. If Ambrose won there'd be people currently who think Reigns winning is an abomination who'd claim Reigns would have made more sense.
It's fan realpolitik. My rival's rival is my 'guy'
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Post by Session Moth is over on Feb 1, 2015 9:33:30 GMT -5
The way they have booked Ambrose over the last year I wouldn't take him seriously in any major angle.
They need to tear up the script and start again with Ambrose. They have ruined him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 9:40:01 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about you. I just think the warmness people have towards Ambrose or Ziggler or even Rollins would be much different had either of those guys won the Rumble. If Ambrose won there'd be people currently who think Reigns winning is an abomination who'd claim Reigns would have made more sense. It's fan realpolitik. My rival's rival is my 'guy' Well, people will turn on him no matter what, so why not just put him in the mainevent scene?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 9:49:51 GMT -5
Ambrose doing terrible things and making them okay by saying "It's for charity" would lead to a new boom period.
It would work like holding up Mentos does in a Mentos commercial.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 1, 2015 12:46:14 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about you. I just think the warmness people have towards Ambrose or Ziggler or even Rollins would be much different had either of those guys won the Rumble. If Ambrose won there'd be people currently who think Reigns winning is an abomination who'd claim Reigns would have made more sense. It's fan realpolitik. My rival's rival is my 'guy' People wouldn't have this warmness if each of these guys had to play the ultra generic babyface that talks of the fans cheering and booing who they want, they are just happy to be there. The script will change when Reigns turns into some monster heel and Rollins turns into high flyer #23.
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Post by salz4life on Feb 1, 2015 13:30:28 GMT -5
(Please pardon incoming wall of text and don't take my username as bias. ) With all of the talk since the Royal Rumble of who should be a top guy between Reigns and Bryan; who should get this push to the main event of WrestleMania Play Button, I say why not Dean Ambrose? I don't think he should necessarily get the current mega push of facing Brock Lesnar and defeating him, after all Brock's accomplished in the past year, as much as I'd love it. I'm saying if Vince is dead set on having ONE guy at the top of the mountain at any point, it should be Ambrose. Don't get me wrong; I'm of the belief as much anyone that Daniel Bryan needs to be treated as a legitimate top star and rightly deserved to win the Royal Rumble and should be a mainstay at the top for as long he can go. But, barring that, what makes Reigns any more worthy than Ambrose for a top position? They're the same size and Ambrose is considered attractive by a nice percentage of the audience. It doesn't mean much, but go to tumblr and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Those are some creepy posts in there lol. Reigns doesn't have any more potential than Ambrose, hell he has even less. Ambrose is a proven talent. He has been wrestling for a decade and built up a small but dedicated following. He was even endorsed by one of the top guys in CM Punk when Ambrose was still in FCW as being "WWE's secret weapon". That's no small praise. What does Reigns have that Ambrose doesn't? Reigns is green as a four leaf clover and only started in wrestling a few years ago, so I don't see where this "proven" b.s. has come from regarding Vince putting him in this spot. Reigns started his WWE career as a third wheel mute in a stable and only broke from that last summer and then got injured and had to go away. He has about as much future potential of being a big deal as any other unproven guy and there are much better options to choose from in that small pool of choices. I don't see any "big time potential" with Reigns with him having done sweet f*** all to impress or improve. He's actually regressed from his work as the "muscle" of The Shield, which wasn't anything special to begin with. Which having been said, none of that is his fault, which is the worse part of it. Ambrose on the other hand has been perfecting his craft for years before making it to WWE and came in as a near complete package wrestler. There was little, if nothing needed to be done to him to make him work in a mainstream wrestling environment. He is the best mic worker in WWE since Stone Cold and The Rock called it quits years ago. He is actually believable as a character, and is very natural in his work. He has a Stone Cold quality to him as a babyface and a Terry Funk quality as a heel. You take all of that into account and you add in his immense popularity and you've got everything you could want in a top-tier wrestler. Why dick around and sit around waiting for something that may not even happen, when you've got everything you need right in front of you, right now? I agree 100%. I wasn't sure when he was with The Shield. However, once he went on his own..... I really believe he has it! I know Roman is the big guy and is the prototypical WWE Hoss Main Eventer and I don't necessarily hate Reigns (even though I don't like him getting the megapush... just my opinion), but Ambrose just has this aura that he can do big things.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 1, 2015 13:44:34 GMT -5
I think the only thing saving Ambrose from the wrath and criticism of everything he does is he because he's perceived not to be the chosen one. If Ambrose won that Rumble the feeling towards him wouldn't be anywhere near as warm, instead we'd be talking about how his look, in-ring work, promos, appeal and experience make him completely unsuitable for the push. As it is, he didn't get it, so everyone likes Ambrose. It's safe to right now. Give it a few months and if Ambrose is edging closer to the title picture there'll be a lot of people turning on him. No. If Ambrose WERE the chosen one, he'd be accepted because he actually has talent. He has a good look. He's not a workrate machine, but he doesn't look completely lost in the ring outside of his big spots; plus his character doesn't have to "wrestle". He's good on the mic. He has the edgy badass thing going while ALSO being pretty-boy eye candy for the women and gays. And he has more experience and seasoning than Reigns.
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Post by Juice on Feb 1, 2015 13:47:03 GMT -5
Ambroses character kind of dictates that he can't be THE guy. He would need to tweek if not overhaul his persona for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 13:54:30 GMT -5
I think the only thing saving Ambrose from the wrath and criticism of everything he does is he because he's perceived not to be the chosen one. If Ambrose won that Rumble the feeling towards him wouldn't be anywhere near as warm, instead we'd be talking about how his look, in-ring work, promos, appeal and experience make him completely unsuitable for the push. As it is, he didn't get it, so everyone likes Ambrose. It's safe to right now. Give it a few months and if Ambrose is edging closer to the title picture there'll be a lot of people turning on him. No. If Ambrose WERE the chosen one, he'd be accepted because he actually has talent. He has a good look. He's not a workrate machine, but he doesn't look completely lost in the ring outside of his big spots; plus his character doesn't have to "wrestle". He's good on the mic. He has the edgy badass thing going while ALSO being pretty-boy eye candy for the women and gays. And he has more experience and seasoning than Reigns. It's funny. I always thought he WAS a "chosen one" after reading/hearing how much was very well liked by the higher ups, HHH included. It sucks to look back on his time in FCW because he just grabbed that place by balls and it seemed like he WAS going to be the man in WWE once he got to the main roster. Thank god he was lucky enough to get The Shield gig. But, WWE being WWE screwed that up and has made him lose crediblity with people. It's really nerveracking when your favorite guy is being so misused.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 13:56:30 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Ambrose would be fine if they just moved on with featuring him like they did when Roman was out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 14:00:11 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Ambrose would be fine if they just moved on with featuring him like they did when Roman was out. Honestly, that's all I want really. He doesnt have to be Hulk Hogan circa 1986, I just want him to be at least presented as he was before last year's Hell in a Cell and I wouldn't complain.
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Post by gnr123 on Feb 1, 2015 15:04:24 GMT -5
I think the only thing saving Ambrose from the wrath and criticism of everything he does is he because he's perceived not to be the chosen one. If Ambrose won that Rumble the feeling towards him wouldn't be anywhere near as warm, instead we'd be talking about how his look, in-ring work, promos, appeal and experience make him completely unsuitable for the push. As it is, he didn't get it, so everyone likes Ambrose. It's safe to right now. Give it a few months and if Ambrose is edging closer to the title picture there'll be a lot of people turning on him. I guess you didn't see the Rumble match where Ambrose got one of the biggest pops during the whole thing. If he won the Rumble, there would be no "controversy", no Rock coming out to play damage control, no booing of Roman Reigns. And I don't know WHERE you got that bolded part from. Ambrose's look is more relatable to the fans and will get more people behind him than "big guy with tattoos." His in-ring work is better than Reign's and Ambrose vs. Lesnar with Ambrose being the guy who just won't stay down will be much better than "I'm going to beat you, BELEE DAT!" Plus e would have the bullshit, "you can cheer and boo whoever you want, because a lot of people who be behind Ambrose. His promo work is much more better and believable than Reigns. His appeal is as good or better than Reigns, and he's much more experienced in singles matches than Reigns is. Seriously, people didn't turn on Bryan when he was being pushed last year, what makes you think people ill turn on Ambrose?
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Post by trollrogue on Feb 2, 2015 1:23:18 GMT -5
If only Ambrose won Superstar of the Year, he might've won the Rumble. He was in the Final Four after all-- as of now I think he's gonna be slotted in to job to Brock Lesnar in non-title 'Mania Preview' matches since he's a former Shield member like Reigns. It's very odd how I like Ambrose the best out of all the former Shield members and yet he's clearly the one getting the least push out of them all.
Coincidence?? Although I can't really blame the booking too much because Rollins is a close second favorite and after his Triple Threat performance he's damn near overshadowed Ambrose in my mind.
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