Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 15:56:48 GMT -5
Best thing is wasn't this supposed to be for Wrestlemania X8? A day before Lesnar debuted.
|
|
Dean-o
Grimlock
Haha we're having fun Maggle!
Posts: 13,865
|
Post by Dean-o on Feb 1, 2015 16:15:17 GMT -5
From his guest booker shoot with KC. It was on how he would rebook the Invasion Angle. For the WCW and WWE Championships Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Mick Foley Undertaker vs. Terry Funk Ric Flair vs. Vince McMahon If Flair wins, he gets Eric Bischoff for 5 minutes. If Vince wins, Flair's gone forever. The Rock vs. Sting WWE and WCW Tag Team Unification Match Road Warriors vs. Dudley Boyz Hulk Hogan w/ Jimmy Hart vs. Dusty Rhodes w/ Jim Cornette Ladder Match Edge and Christian vs. Jerry Lynn and Nova Big Show and Kane vs. Steiner Brothers Dustin Rhodes and Jeff Jarrett vs. Hardy Boyz Battle of the Thrillseekers Chris Jericho vs. Lance Storm 60 Minute Iron Man Match Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle Triple H vs Booker T(US Title vs IC Title) Six Man Tag The Radicalz (Eddy, Saturn, Malenko) vs. Rey Mysterio, Chavo Guererro and Chris Candido with Sunny. Brock Lesnar vs. Bam Bam Bigelow Rhyno vs. Kevin Nash Battle Royal with Steve Blackman Al Snow D'Lo Brown Justin Credible William Regal Bill Demott Balls Mahony DDP RVD Bull Buchanon Kanyon Harris Boys That damn show would be so long you might as well call it WrestleMania 18 too.
|
|
|
Post by Hit Girl on Feb 1, 2015 16:17:11 GMT -5
Balls Mahoney at Wrestlemania
|
|
|
Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 1, 2015 16:52:31 GMT -5
From his guest booker shoot with KC. It was on how he would rebook the Invasion Angle. For the WCW and WWE Championships Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Mick Foley Undertaker vs. Terry Funk Ric Flair vs. Vince McMahon If Flair wins, he gets Eric Bischoff for 5 minutes. If Vince wins, Flair's gone forever. The Rock vs. Sting WWE and WCW Tag Team Unification Match Road Warriors vs. Dudley Boyz Hulk Hogan w/ Jimmy Hart vs. Dusty Rhodes w/ Jim Cornette Ladder Match Edge and Christian vs. Jerry Lynn and Nova Big Show and Kane vs. Steiner Brothers Dustin Rhodes and Jeff Jarrett vs. Hardy Boyz Battle of the Thrillseekers Chris Jericho vs. Lance Storm 60 Minute Iron Man Match Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle Triple H vs Booker T(US Title vs IC Title) Six Man Tag The Radicalz (Eddy, Saturn, Malenko) vs. Rey Mysterio, Chavo Guererro and Chris Candido with Sunny. Brock Lesnar vs. Bam Bam Bigelow Rhyno vs. Kevin Nash Battle Royal with Steve Blackman Al Snow D'Lo Brown Justin Credible William Regal Bill Demott Balls Mahony DDP RVD Bull Buchanon Kanyon Harris Boys didnt Russo re-book the invasion too?? curious what his card was like to compare whos card was better between him and Cornette. Russo suggested restarting the Invasion to WWE Creative by finally bringing in Bischoff, Flair, the nWo, Goldberg, Steiner, etc. They looked at him like he had three heads and sent him home. Swerve...he actually had four heads. Also...Brock was still in developmental there Corny. Nice try though.
|
|
|
Post by somsta on Feb 1, 2015 17:06:28 GMT -5
How in the world would you put Brock on the pay pre view if he hadn't debuted yet? Oh yeah, in Cornette's version he's called up earlier.
Geez, some people are so nit picky looking for something to knock someone over.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 17:12:39 GMT -5
I think Cornette is great, and even though I actually enjoyed his work for ROH I also recognize that his style is really old fashioned and will not take any company beyond a niche product, not that that's a bad thing in all cases but certainly not appropriate for the biggest wrestling company in the world.
Also, this storyline is not good and I'm pretty sure he doesn't actually watch the product enough to even assess what Reigns is capable of. This is more of a "oh I hear WWE's pushing a guy and it's not really working, so here's a throwaway storyline template from the 80s with the names changed."
|
|
|
Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 1, 2015 17:52:38 GMT -5
Benoit: So Kurt, you won an Olympic gold medal with a broken freakin neck? Well I'm going to beat your ass on pay per view in an Iron Man match...with a broken freakin neck!
|
|
|
Post by lildude8218 on Feb 4, 2015 12:06:16 GMT -5
wouldn't the logical pairing be Steiners/Hardys? since you know, they're both brother tag teams.
|
|
|
Post by Andrew is Good on Feb 4, 2015 12:20:33 GMT -5
I think Cornette is great, and even though I actually enjoyed his work for ROH I also recognize that his style is really old fashioned and will not take any company beyond a niche product, not that that's a bad thing in all cases but certainly not appropriate for the biggest wrestling company in the world. Also, this storyline is not good and I'm pretty sure he doesn't actually watch the product enough to even assess what Reigns is capable of. This is more of a "oh I hear WWE's pushing a guy and it's not really working, so here's a throwaway storyline template from the 80s with the names changed." True, but the template would work if it played out. The whole idea is for the fans to not boo him and respect him. I know Cena has done hour matches on tv but that was after the damage was done. If you get people thinking he's legit before that, then you can have a star you can push without any backlash. The issue with Reigns is he would have to train up. If he can't do an hour, maybe you could work around him and even try a half hour or something. The competitive draw idea I think would work because you give the opportunity to give the match a standing ovation and respect for Reigns.
|
|
|
Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 4, 2015 12:44:08 GMT -5
I think Cornette is great, and even though I actually enjoyed his work for ROH I also recognize that his style is really old fashioned and will not take any company beyond a niche product, not that that's a bad thing in all cases but certainly not appropriate for the biggest wrestling company in the world. Also, this storyline is not good and I'm pretty sure he doesn't actually watch the product enough to even assess what Reigns is capable of. This is more of a "oh I hear WWE's pushing a guy and it's not really working, so here's a throwaway storyline template from the 80s with the names changed." True, but the template would work if it played out. The whole idea is for the fans to not boo him and respect him. I know Cena has done hour matches on tv but that was after the damage was done. If you get people thinking he's legit before that, then you can have a star you can push without any backlash. The issue with Reigns is he would have to train up. If he can't do an hour, maybe you could work around him and even try a half hour or something. The competitive draw idea I think would work because you give the opportunity to give the match a standing ovation and respect for Reigns. The template would not work because it's an entirely different era. If this was ROH or NWA where time limit draws were actually a thing, sure, it'd work great. In WWE, it'd make no kind of sense. When was the last time WWE even had regular time limit draws? It's been many many many years. Not to mention, forget about Roman's cardio. If he wrestles an hour at this stage in his career, it's gonna be a f***ing disaster. He's way too green for that. At least Cena had two years of big match expreience before him and HBK went 45 minutes or whatever it was. God bless Bryan, he's one of the best in the world but I don't know if even he would be able to carry Roman for an entire hour. Especially considering he's fresh off a career-threatening neck injury. You have to book for the promotion and the era that you work for. You have to work with restrictions and get creative. That's a huge part of being a booker and an aspect that Cornette flat out ignores a lot of the time. There are certain booking tropes that are gonna succeed at any point in wrestling but some stuff is in the past for a reason. You can't fight a war using the exact same tactics that you used in a war 20 years ago. Not like it even matters since I seriously doubt Cornette put more than 30 minutes of thought into this and was just brainstorming based on what he heard but people are going in on Cornette for a reason.
|
|
|
Post by Andrew is Good on Feb 4, 2015 17:00:34 GMT -5
True, but the template would work if it played out. The whole idea is for the fans to not boo him and respect him. I know Cena has done hour matches on tv but that was after the damage was done. If you get people thinking he's legit before that, then you can have a star you can push without any backlash. The issue with Reigns is he would have to train up. If he can't do an hour, maybe you could work around him and even try a half hour or something. The competitive draw idea I think would work because you give the opportunity to give the match a standing ovation and respect for Reigns. The template would not work because it's an entirely different era. If this was ROH or NWA where time limit draws were actually a thing, sure, it'd work great. In WWE, it'd make no kind of sense. When was the last time WWE even had regular time limit draws? It's been many many many years. Not to mention, forget about Roman's cardio. If he wrestles an hour at this stage in his career, it's gonna be a f***ing disaster. He's way too green for that. At least Cena had two years of big match expreience before him and HBK went 45 minutes or whatever it was. God bless Bryan, he's one of the best in the world but I don't know if even he would be able to carry Roman for an entire hour. Especially considering he's fresh off a career-threatening neck injury. You have to book for the promotion and the era that you work for. You have to work with restrictions and get creative. That's a huge part of being a booker and an aspect that Cornette flat out ignores a lot of the time. There are certain booking tropes that are gonna succeed at any point in wrestling but some stuff is in the past for a reason. You can't fight a war using the exact same tactics that you used in a war 20 years ago. Not like it even matters since I seriously doubt Cornette put more than 30 minutes of thought into this and was just brainstorming based on what he heard but people are going in on Cornette for a reason. I guess that is an issue of Jim Cornette not watching as much, but he also mentioned he didn't believe they had time limits, so they would have to be established. It's sad because it can be a very good tool instead of just the usual distraction finish. At least a draw in a match is possible to happen on a regular basis, unlike the absurd consistency of a distraction roll up finish. Also, to Jim Cornette's credit, when guys were in OVW, everyone could work a one hour draw, John Cena included. The problem isn't his booking, it's what he's dealt with. A guy who is seen as a top guy should be able to work anything, be it an opening match as a jobber, or a one hour match as a main eventer, and it's a problem with the system itself, and not Cornette's booking. And I don't think he took much time to think about it either, though he may've thought of it earlier in the day before saying it but I do believe he didn't put much thought into it. But something like that I think would be great because again, you're showing the guy can go. You're getting the crowd to cheer him for doing a good job. It's great because we live at a time where people are chanting "this is awesome" or "this is wrestling", so if you associate someone with those chants, you get a number of people behind him. I feel you have to tell Roman, hey, buck up kid, this is the only way you're gonna be able to get over, and really, it might be the only way. There is a portion of the fans that will boo him simply because they don't believe he's ready, or that he deserves it. So you know what? You could either go with the flow and accept that, or, you could prove them wrong.
|
|
|
Post by HMARK Center on Feb 4, 2015 18:46:24 GMT -5
You might be able to make it work if Bryan won a match that allowed him to pick the title match stipulation, and to pick something he'd be more likely to win it he'd go with a 30 minute Iron Man match; 30 would be better than 60 for Roman, and it's easier to book a draw in that scenario.
|
|
nate5054
Hank Scorpio
Lucky to be alive in the Chris Jericho Era
Posts: 7,011
|
Post by nate5054 on Feb 4, 2015 18:58:54 GMT -5
(My take---this is once more where Corny is a bit stuck in the 80s with his one hour broadways etc... it would make no sense to randomly re-introduce time limits into the WWE universe at this point.) I haven't read this whole thread yet so I have no idea where it goes, and it is going a bit off on a tangent, but I like the idea of time limit matches being brought back. They make a lot more sense in terms of it being a sport, and frankly, I like the tension that being close to the time brings. I enjoy the "beat the clock" challenges for the same reason. Perhaps I'm in a minority here though. That being said, I was never a huge fan of the broadways (ie no winners...I think that's what it means anyway) though.
|
|
|
Post by benstudd on Feb 4, 2015 19:05:41 GMT -5
I have zero issues about Corny's booking of this. Cause he uses Bryan's popularity to help Reigns. The problem is that it would work better in an alternate Universe where people wouldn't boo Reigns.
But the slow-built stuff would have happened 15 years in the company, not now. Vince wants everything NOW and that is why nobody gets over and why they are getting burned with Reigns at present time. Just like Sheamus before.
|
|
|
Post by Andrew is Good on Feb 4, 2015 19:06:41 GMT -5
My opinion of draws is, I wish there were more. I actually thinks draws would work better now then at any other time, especially time limit draws and why I wish we could see it more.
I remember TNA used to have 10 minute TV time limits in 2009 or 2010 and I do believe Christopher Daniels and Desmond Wolfe wrestled to a 10 minute draw and it seemed to go over pretty well. I feel double dqs and double count outs have a sense from the people of a f*** finish, but a time limit draw I feel is different because it would be viewed as guys working hard, and they had a good match, and you can extend a feud and it doesn't feel like you're getting f***ed over with a cliche wrestling finish.
You can also have fun with them. In OVW, Shawn Spears/Tye Dillinger and Colt Cabana fought to a 10 minute time limit draw for the TV title. The crowd chants 5 more minutes and the ref then gives it to them. Then, they continue to do that, I believe for the whole show and the crowd was going wild. Eventually it ended in a DQ, but the heat went on Spears and he sold it like he just went through hell.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 19:18:01 GMT -5
Cornette sucks. That is all.
|
|
|
Post by Hit Girl on Feb 4, 2015 21:13:38 GMT -5
From his guest booker shoot with KC. It was on how he would rebook the Invasion Angle. For the WCW and WWE Championships Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Mick Foley Undertaker vs. Terry Funk Ric Flair vs. Vince McMahon If Flair wins, he gets Eric Bischoff for 5 minutes. If Vince wins, Flair's gone forever. The Rock vs. Sting WWE and WCW Tag Team Unification Match Road Warriors vs. Dudley Boyz Hulk Hogan w/ Jimmy Hart vs. Dusty Rhodes w/ Jim Cornette Ladder Match Edge and Christian vs. Jerry Lynn and Nova Big Show and Kane vs. Steiner Brothers Dustin Rhodes and Jeff Jarrett vs. Hardy Boyz Battle of the Thrillseekers Chris Jericho vs. Lance Storm 60 Minute Iron Man Match Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle Triple H vs Booker T(US Title vs IC Title) Six Man Tag The Radicalz (Eddy, Saturn, Malenko) vs. Rey Mysterio, Chavo Guererro and Chris Candido with Sunny. Brock Lesnar vs. Bam Bam Bigelow Rhyno vs. Kevin Nash Battle Royal with Steve Blackman Al Snow D'Lo Brown Justin Credible William Regal Bill Demott Balls Mahony DDP RVD Bull Buchanon Kanyon Harris Boys Using most of the guys listed here, I'd have booked... Austin vs Hogan Undertaker vs Sting Hardys vs Steiners The Rock vs Eddie Guerrero Dudley Boyz vs Storm/Mysterio vs Edge/Christian Benoit vs Angle vs Saturn vs Malenko Triple H vs Diamond Dallas Page RVD vs Chris Jericho If Brock was available, I'd debut him with a squash win over the Big Show.
|
|