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Post by TGM on Feb 9, 2015 21:10:19 GMT -5
The Undertaker has arguably had the best run of any wrestler through his 40s. Each year from 2005 onwards he's put on at worst, a decent Wrestlemania match.
His only rivals would be people like Michaels, Flair and Funk, who really have nothing to prove in their later years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 21:18:26 GMT -5
Its a shame Bret got hurt. I would have loved to have seen an inspired WWE return in 2002 to see him go against Angle, Benoit, Jericho, HHH and Shawn. Ugh, not to mention Brock. It's sad to think about really what could have been. Man, the PPV card would be just worth it alone for him. Royal Rumble vs. Angle No Way Out vs. Benoit Wrestlemania X8 vs. Shawn Michaels Backlash vs. HHH for the Undisputed Title Judgment Day vs. Jericho King of the Ring vs. Brock Lesnar in the Finals Venegenece vs. Undertaker Summerslam vs. The Rock for the Undisputed Title Unforgiven vs. Edge No Mercy vs. Eddie Guererro Survivor Series vs. Rob Van Dam Armmageddon vs. Booker T. $59.95 a month? No problem. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 9, 2015 21:45:29 GMT -5
Goldust honestly , he as the MVP of 2013 Def, his match vs Orton when he first came back was a great match and it helped to have that emotion of wow he can actually do this behind him. Shows what you can do when you get in shape and live a cleaner lifestyle. If he was clean and also avoided personal demons and drama elsewhere, he'd probably have been world champion at least once. He was good enough and over enough. If anything, sometimes being Dusty's boy probably hurt him in that it gave people an excuse to not give him his credit. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 21:51:12 GMT -5
Def, his match vs Orton when he first came back was a great match and it helped to have that emotion of wow he can actually do this behind him. Shows what you can do when you get in shape and live a cleaner lifestyle. If he was clean and also avoided personal demons and drama elsewhere, he'd probably have been world champion at least once. He was good enough and over enough. If anything, sometimes being Dusty's boy probably hurt him in that it gave people an excuse to not give him his credit. A token World Heavyweight title run in 2013 would have meant more to us than a Ziggler or Del Rio aborted title runs. One month of Goldust as WHC like Christian in 2011 would've been great. |
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Post by "I'm Batman..." on Feb 9, 2015 22:54:28 GMT -5
I think Terry Funk wins.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 9, 2015 23:20:10 GMT -5
Def, his match vs Orton when he first came back was a great match and it helped to have that emotion of wow he can actually do this behind him. Shows what you can do when you get in shape and live a cleaner lifestyle. If he was clean and also avoided personal demons and drama elsewhere, he'd probably have been world champion at least once. He was good enough and over enough. If anything, sometimes being Dusty's boy probably hurt him in that it gave people an excuse to not give him his credit. I think being Dusty kid was a double edged sword for him. He obviously got a lot of chances when he was younger and blander as that white meat babyface. The fact that he branched out and became Goldust with this bizarre gimmick has been a good performer is what people don't give him credit for. The crazy thing is Cody has better ability then his brother and father it's just they don't have an idea for him long term. Hopefully once this feud comes and goes he can get a nice straight path. |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 9, 2015 23:50:06 GMT -5
Its a shame Bret got hurt. I would have loved to have seen an inspired WWE return in 2002 to see him go against Angle, Benoit, Jericho, HHH and Shawn. Ugh, not to mention Brock. It's sad to think about really what could have been. Man, the PPV card would be just worth it alone for him. Royal Rumble vs. Angle No Way Out vs. Benoit Wrestlemania X8 vs. Shawn Michaels Backlash vs. HHH for the Undisputed Title Judgment Day vs. Jericho King of the Ring vs. Brock Lesnar in the Finals Venegenece vs. Undertaker Summerslam vs. The Rock for the Undisputed Title Unforgiven vs. Edge No Mercy vs. Eddie Guererro Survivor Series vs. Rob Van Dam Armmageddon vs. Booker T. $59.95 a month? No problem. I would've loved to have seen an earlier match with McMahon. It would've had more heat than Austin/McMahon. A feud with HHH during the reign of terror would've made that year so much better. |
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Post by thegame415 on Feb 10, 2015 1:15:45 GMT -5
Or imagine Bret showing up on Raw to help WcW.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 3:10:28 GMT -5
It's amazing to me that DDP is almost 60.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Feb 10, 2015 6:05:29 GMT -5
This is a lot more common in Japan from what I can tell. It seems over there that wrestlers are expected to hit their primes much later, and the pressure to retire isn't as huge. Veterans are well respected. For whatever reason it also seems like most of them do not wear down as much as American wrestlers end up doing, or just know how to work around it better.
New Japan alone has Jushin Liger (50), Tiger Mask IV (44), Minoru Suzuki (46), Satoshi Kojima (44), Togi Makabe (42), and Yuji Nagata (46) are all still regularly putting on good performances, the later four especially (Liger's a bit questionable, but he can pull it out now and again like his match against KUSHIDA). Then there's a guy like Hiroyoshi Tenzan (43) who usually comes off as broken down but at this last year's G1 Climax he suddenly pulled his bootstraps up and came off great in every match. Tomohiro Ishii is often seen as in the discussion for the single most consistently amazing worker on the roster and he's 39, so if he's still doing that a year from now he'll be in this category as well. Hiroshi Tanahashi is 38 and showing no signs of slowing down. Its a totally different scene from America where yes... older guys do wrestle. But they usually start coming off as broken down messes in their 40s and most fans are begging them to retire. I wonder what causes that.
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Post by Medicinal Thunder Liger on Feb 10, 2015 8:00:05 GMT -5
Look up mutoh and tenryu from 01, or the mutoh and kawada matches from then too both are awesome.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Feb 11, 2015 19:32:10 GMT -5
This is a lot more common in Japan from what I can tell. It seems over there that wrestlers are expected to hit their primes much later, and the pressure to retire isn't as huge. Veterans are well respected. For whatever reason it also seems like most of them do not wear down as much as American wrestlers end up doing, or just know how to work around it better. New Japan alone has Jushin Liger (50), Tiger Mask IV (44), Minoru Suzuki (46), Satoshi Kojima (44), Togi Makabe (42), and Yuji Nagata (46) are all still regularly putting on good performances, the later four especially (Liger's a bit questionable, but he can pull it out now and again like his match against KUSHIDA). Then there's a guy like Hiroyoshi Tenzan (43) who usually comes off as broken down but at this last year's G1 Climax he suddenly pulled his bootstraps up and came off great in every match. Tomohiro Ishii is often seen as in the discussion for the single most consistently amazing worker on the roster and he's 39, so if he's still doing that a year from now he'll be in this category as well. Hiroshi Tanahashi is 38 and showing no signs of slowing down. Its a totally different scene from America where yes... older guys do wrestle. But they usually start coming off as broken down messes in their 40s and most fans are begging them to retire. I wonder what causes that. From everything I read it's all the constant travel that's more hell on the body than having matches. Also, the drugs(be it coke or roids) are more prevalent not to mention something as simple as diet. I imagine the Japanese eat better on the whole than North Americans. Here's another for the thread - I was too young for AWA but didn't Bockwinkel have great matches in his 40s? |
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Post by quackyquack1 on Feb 13, 2015 15:33:04 GMT -5
Ric Flair's first WWE run and DDP in 1997-98 are the main 2 that come to my mind.
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Post by Super Weak Machine on Feb 13, 2015 16:33:51 GMT -5
Here's another for the thread - I was too young for AWA but didn't Bockwinkel have great matches in his 40s? He was 52 when he had that great 60 minute draw with Curt Hennig in 1986. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 13, 2015 16:44:57 GMT -5
Goldust is making a hell of a statement during the winter of his career.
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Post by walterharrow on Feb 13, 2015 16:45:59 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett had some good matches and had a fun character between 2010-2012 (in my opinion)
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 13, 2015 16:51:29 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett had some good matches and had a fun character between 2010-2012 (in my opinion) I've always liked Jarrett (except for that Planet Jarrett nonsense) and I say without hyperbole that "MMA Master" Jeff Jarrett beating up little kids at a karate dojo is the funniest thing TNA ever did. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 13:26:18 GMT -5
Fred Blassie: His two hottest feuds - the (Original) Sheik, and then John Tolos immediately afterwards - were in the early 1970s; when Fred was in his 50s.
Then he went to the WWWF and feuded with Bruno Sammartino and Pedro Morales.
That's staying power.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Feb 14, 2015 18:51:19 GMT -5
Hogan against The Rock X8 and Vince 19. was in his 40's. Terry Funk was in his 40s I believe when he wrestled Sabu in that Barbwire match in 97. These are kind of mind blowing to me in that they were "only" in their 40s when these matches happened. I mean at the time I would have considered them really old, but now that Ive gotten older and am nearly 29 someone in their 40s seems youngish, for example Joe Rogan is 45. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 19:56:01 GMT -5
I'm kinda thinking that way myself now. I'd see a Tony Garea or Rene Goulet in 1985-86 and thought they were around forever.
Compared to today, they had the same amount of time put in as John Cena. And I don't think of John as old.
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