Johnny Flamingo
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Feb 16, 2015 16:29:28 GMT -5
HHH, Cena, Bryan, Cesaro, Zayn
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Feb 16, 2015 17:41:51 GMT -5
So I have to ask, why do people think Bryan would be loyal to the WWE? I mean, he's the most popular guy in the company and there have been two occasions in the last year and change where crowds nearly rioted because they thought he wouldn't be in the main event of WrestleMania, yet the people running the WWE don't see him as anything other then IC Title fodder and have to be dragged kicking and screaming into putting him into a main event storyline. The situation reminds me a lot of Chris Jericho during the peak of his WCW run actually.
Even if WCW had no intention of using him any better they'd at least be throwing insane money at him to get him to jump just to hurt the WWE. Why would he stay? Because he's married to Brie? I just can't see him having any reason for this kind of loyalty.
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Post by nisidhe on Feb 16, 2015 19:13:50 GMT -5
WCW's MO was never to go after guys like Ziggler, Cesaro, (insert unpushed flavor of the week here). WCW would have thrown an asinine amount of money at Stone Cold and Lesnar. And if Mike Graham was still alive if WCW was still alive, what he'd say about these guys will be the same thing he said about the Radicalz. That may well be, but I'd like to think that WCW in 2015 would have learned a few lessons from the past. I don't think they'd be so quick to dismiss the midcard once they saw far how the Radicalz got in WWE, so you might see a bidding war for someone like Ziggler and indeed Cesaro. Curtis Axel might have found a more suitable home at WCW - heck, I could see WWE fighting to keep the Rotundo boys out of Atlanta. This says nothing to touch the contract upsides for the likes of Daniel Bryan or CM Punk. Cena, for sure, won't jump ship - but there are plenty of talent in WWE who'd just as quickly take a check from TimeWarner.
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Post by hassanchop on Feb 16, 2015 20:14:54 GMT -5
So I have to ask, why do people think Bryan would be loyal to the WWE? I mean, he's the most popular guy in the company and there have been two occasions in the last year and change where crowds nearly rioted because they thought he wouldn't be in the main event of WrestleMania, yet the people running the WWE don't see him as anything other then IC Title fodder and have to be dragged kicking and screaming into putting him into a main event storyline. The situation reminds me a lot of Chris Jericho during the peak of his WCW run actually. Even if WCW had no intention of using him any better they'd at least be throwing insane money at him to get him to jump just to hurt the WWE. Why would he stay? Because he's married to Brie? I just can't see him having any reason for this kind of loyalty. He'd probably be there once for half a cup and never return. Hogan would probably say he couldn't cut the mustard the next night, Bischoff would simply say bite me. Bryan when he returns does worked shoot on them both followed by YES! YES! YES!
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Feb 16, 2015 21:11:48 GMT -5
So I have to ask, why do people think Bryan would be loyal to the WWE? I mean, he's the most popular guy in the company and there have been two occasions in the last year and change where crowds nearly rioted because they thought he wouldn't be in the main event of WrestleMania, yet the people running the WWE don't see him as anything other then IC Title fodder and have to be dragged kicking and screaming into putting him into a main event storyline. The situation reminds me a lot of Chris Jericho during the peak of his WCW run actually. Even if WCW had no intention of using him any better they'd at least be throwing insane money at him to get him to jump just to hurt the WWE. Why would he stay? Because he's married to Brie? I just can't see him having any reason for this kind of loyalty. He'd probably be there once for half a cup and never return. Hogan would probably say he couldn't cut the mustard the next night, Bischoff would simply say bite me. Bryan when he returns does worked shoot on them both followed by YES! YES! YES! If that happened I could see WCW dealing with Bryan the same way they dealt with Bret Hart - sign him simply to hurt the WWE and pay him an ungodly amount of money to do nothing of any interest.
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Post by schma on Feb 16, 2015 22:50:05 GMT -5
Cena could potentially go the way Bret went, McMahon telling him to go make money and then come back (probably minus the screwjob). Keep in mind that for as much of a company man as Cena seems to be, his entire career (at least with WWE as opposed to developmental) was post WCW's demise. Maybe he would have jumped ship at some point. Then again, maybe his character would have been allowed to change and stay fresh if there was real competition.
People forget that WCW was rebuilding when it died and there were a large number of great up and coming talents (that the WWE buried during the invasion). Also, when the Monday Night Wars were hottest, that was when some of the most creative stuff was coming out of WWE. So the thing about this hypothetical is there's too many ifs. If there was still a legit competitor would the WWE chance alienating fans just to do what Vince wants? Probably not. To this day I wish that WCW had survived because the landscape of wrestling would be far more entertaining and there would be a genuine option for people who wanted a stage in North America to compete on that wasn't WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 23:13:49 GMT -5
Before it died WCW was heading in the ring direction. They had added a load of young exciting talent and were booking them properly. WCW had Bobby Roode, Chris Daniels and AJ Styles on their books in 2001.
So if they continued in the right direction and not fallen back into overpushing Hogan and Flair. They would have beaten WWE in 2002 and would have been no 1 ever since.
So WWE wouldn't have gotten CM Punk or Daniel Bryan in the first place.
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Post by schma on Feb 17, 2015 1:04:12 GMT -5
Before it died WCW was heading in the ring direction. They had added a load of young exciting talent and were booking them properly. WCW had Bobby Roode, Chris Daniels and AJ Styles on their books in 2001. So if they continued in the right direction and not fallen back into overpushing Hogan and Flair. They would have beaten WWE in 2002 and would have been no 1 ever since. So WWE wouldn't have gotten CM Punk or Daniel Bryan in the first place. Bryan was actually on the books near the end of WCW. He was part of a group that was going to be WWE's attempt to find an answer to WCW's cruiserweight division. Most of them got future endeavoured when WCW was bought out though. But if they had gotten them with WCW as an option their treatments would be very different.
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Post by Ryushinku on Feb 17, 2015 9:22:12 GMT -5
I think it's a pretty colossal jump to say that WCW could be beating WWE in 2002. In what context? Match quality? That'd be an arguable one.
But in terms of business, even if the company survived, they'd put themselves into a deep, deep financial pit that would've required many years to dig themselves out of. Nitro still got decent ratings but their PPV market was deep sixed. Something like Starrcade should never be getting a two-and-a-half-thousand crowd and a 50k buyrate, but it was in 2000.
They were not going to be trading punches with the WWE in any kind of business contest for years, at best.
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