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Post by Kash Flagg on Feb 18, 2015 23:35:50 GMT -5
Sure he's to blame for some things like his part in the screwjob, but presenting what may have been one of the worst arguments ever didn't help you. Saying Bret was the reason WCW went under is beyond ridiculous. Ignoring Bischoff's spending, Russo's booking, and Time Warner not wanting wrestling period MIGHT have something to do with it. If you wanna blame wrestlers, Hogan and Nash had far more blame for WCW's troubles than Bret. Well maybe Bret is to blame more then Hogan and Nash. With him coming in they all restructured their contracts to be at that Bret Hart pay level. While doing that the more money they were getting the more power they can wield. So in a sense Bret forced the executives hands to pay Hogan, Nash, and Hall more $$$ thus giving them a larger voice then before due to the $$$ they were demanding. Just some food for thought. No, that was the guy who made those deals...and his name was Eric Bischoff. To blame someone when someone else offers him a deal of a lifetime doesn't make sense. "Oh no, I won't take that money because you gave those other guys clauses in their much earlier contracts that said they had to match my pay!"
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Post by WWHHHD on Feb 18, 2015 23:46:23 GMT -5
Bret was the victim of circumstances. Yeah, his circumstances was not getting over as the top guy ever like an Austin, Rock, Cena, or Hogan did. And neither was "Made in the USA" Lex Luger, Diesel, Boyhood Dream Shawn Michaels or anyone else Vince tried to make as DA TOP GUY from 1993-1997. But we are talking about the great Bret Hart here. Not those other guys. Why didn't he get more over then those guys as the guy? Sure I'll give you Lex, Diesel, but I won't give you HBK. People make Bret out as Top 5 of all time. Guy doesn't crack top 20. Decent wrestler is about all he has. *drops mic and leaves thread*
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 18, 2015 23:48:23 GMT -5
I'm just saying, you could have just said, "I don't really care for Bret Hart" and left it at that instead of coming up with a horrendous argument.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Feb 18, 2015 23:48:40 GMT -5
And neither was "Made in the USA" Lex Luger, Diesel, Boyhood Dream Shawn Michaels or anyone else Vince tried to make as DA TOP GUY from 1993-1997. But we are talking about the great Bret Hart here. Not those other guys. Why didn't he get more over then those guys as the guy? Sure I'll give you Lex, Diesel, but I won't give you HBK.People make Bret out as Top 5 of all time. Guy doesn't crack top 20. Decent wrestler is about all he has. *drops mic and leaves thread* Well, that's too bad, because one simply has to go back to his feud with Sid alone to see that he was not a solid top guy. Bye!
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Post by Kash Flagg on Feb 18, 2015 23:48:56 GMT -5
*picks up Mic, sings Never Been A Right Time to Say Goodbye*
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 18, 2015 23:52:28 GMT -5
One time Bret Hart came up from behind when I was eating a BLT and he made me feel bad for not using Canadian back bacon in my sandwich. I can confirm he's a big jerkface.
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Post by revolverjgw on Feb 18, 2015 23:59:35 GMT -5
And neither was "Made in the USA" Lex Luger, Diesel, Boyhood Dream Shawn Michaels or anyone else Vince tried to make as DA TOP GUY from 1993-1997. But we are talking about the great Bret Hart here. Not those other guys. Why didn't he get more over then those guys as the guy? Sure I'll give you Lex, Diesel, but I won't give you HBK. People make Bret out as Top 5 of all time. Guy doesn't crack top 20. Decent wrestler is about all he has. *drops mic and leaves thread* *Bret Hart picks up the mic and has a 4 star match with it because he's the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 19, 2015 0:05:48 GMT -5
Bret is worse than ol' Sweatsock Lothario!
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Post by jmule on Feb 19, 2015 0:11:11 GMT -5
Bret is worse than ol' Sweatsock Lothario! How come we never got the Jurassic park match between Stu hart and sweatsock?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 19, 2015 0:13:53 GMT -5
Bret is worse than ol' Sweatsock Lothario! Nobody is
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 19, 2015 0:16:31 GMT -5
Luckily, these are the only mics we have round here. Droppin em does no damage.
I got one!
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 19, 2015 0:32:25 GMT -5
Well maybe Bret is to blame more then Hogan and Nash. With him coming in they all restructured their contracts to be at that Bret Hart pay level. While doing that the more money they were getting the more power they can wield. So in a sense Bret forced the executives hands to pay Hogan, Nash, and Hall more $$$ thus giving them a larger voice then before due to the $$$ they were demanding. Just some food for thought. They all had tears in their eyes while renegotiating their contracts Well Hogan did. Nash had tears in his quads.
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Post by King Boo on Feb 19, 2015 1:16:34 GMT -5
*picks up Mic, sings Never Been A Right Time to Say Goodbye* The question here is, is your singing as good as Bret's? Because I'm just saying - the bar? Set so very high.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Feb 19, 2015 1:20:05 GMT -5
Bret is worse than ol' Sweatsock Lothario! I was at a house show once where afterwards I saw Bret & Jose Lothario at the back of the arena where they had a big cane basket full of Kittens. They were spinning their arms around really fast & throwing these fluffy kitties in the air while they were both screaming this incredibly guttural roar with spittle flying out of their mouths & a real manic look on each of their faces. There were these two young boys frantically grabbing the cats as they landed, eventually Vince McMahon & HBK saved the day by stopping Bret & Jose, they then consoled the youngsters with Vince telling them "Don't worry boys, Shawn & I will punish Bret at next year's Survivor Series! Here, you give these fluffy angels a home!" Those young boys? Teddy Hart & Tyson Kidd
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Post by TheSchattenjager on Feb 19, 2015 6:01:21 GMT -5
Bell to bell, the best professional wrestler of all time, in my opinion. Not from a business standpoint, but from the standpoint of whose in ring work I have enjoyed the most during my time as a wrestling fan.
I rank guys like Shawn, Punk and maybe Bryan above him as "total packages", but when it comes to wrestling and wrestling alone, there's never been anyone better than Bret. And seeing as how the business has taken the direction of "let's kick out of each other's finishers a million times to get the fans chant this is awesome, it's gonna be so cool", I doubt we will ever see anyone quite like Bret.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 19, 2015 6:54:18 GMT -5
3) He was a mark for himself and never seemed to get the big picture in the business. He refused to lose in Canada? How ridiculous was that? That was the equivalent of Ric Flair refusing to lose in an old NWA stronghold, like the entire American Southeast. He just comes across as so self-involved. He honestly seemed to be more affected by Montreal than by Owen’s death. How many people who've main evented for a major wrestling promotion aren't ridiculous marks for themselves and haven't decided they don't fancy losing for a completely asinine reason? The difference between Bret and everyone else is his story played out in public, that's it. Hulk Hogan made the last hour of WCW programming unwatchable for most of the late 90s thanks to how protected he was (a heel who doesn't put over faces cleanly at events where they could actually draw money is useless), Shawn Michaels vacated title after title, Diesel wouldn't agree to lose at house shows to build his next feud, Cena destroyed the Nexus angle with his wrongheaded insistence that he go over despite being told it was a bad idea by the veteran talent he was working with, Ric Flair was such a pro he decided he didn't fancy putting over Lex Luger as he was told by Jim Herd for the WCW belt then took it to the WWF and put it on TV, Triple H decided he needed to go over after being openly racist to Booker T and so on and so forth. People like Nash and the late Ultimate Warrior often pretend they don't take it all so seriously but they sure get pissy when they're criticised. Wrestling is a business that requires guys to have a massive ego to get any sort of sustained run on top unfortunately, Bret is far from the most selfish guy ever to have held the top belt. 99% of the time he jobbed when asked and put on the best match he could while doing so no matter what his personal feelings for the guy he was working with, but people fixate on one incident, involving someone who couldn't be trusted to put over the guys who clearly were the future of the company.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 19, 2015 7:41:32 GMT -5
*picks up Mic, sings Never Been A Right Time to Say Goodbye* The question here is, is your singing as good as Bret's? Because I'm just saying - the bar? Set so very high. I've heard his Feliz Navidad. 4/10. But then against Bret's, anyone's would be.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 19, 2015 7:44:09 GMT -5
But we are talking about the great Bret Hart here. Not those other guys. Why didn't he get more over then those guys as the guy? Sure I'll give you Lex, Diesel, but I won't give you HBK. People make Bret out as Top 5 of all time. Guy doesn't crack top 20. Decent wrestler is about all he has. *drops mic and leaves thread* *Bret Hart picks up the mic and has a 4 star match with it because he's the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be Ultimate grudge match: broomstick vs. mic
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 19, 2015 8:35:54 GMT -5
And neither was "Made in the USA" Lex Luger, Diesel, Boyhood Dream Shawn Michaels or anyone else Vince tried to make as DA TOP GUY from 1993-1997. But we are talking about the great Bret Hart here. Not those other guys. Why didn't he get more over then those guys as the guy? Sure I'll give you Lex, Diesel, but I won't give you HBK. People make Bret out as Top 5 of all time. Guy doesn't crack top 20. Decent wrestler is about all he has. *drops mic and leaves thread* I'm afraid I'm about as street as Bob Backlund so I have to ask, does dropping the mic and fleeing the thread indicate that the poster has realised that the argument he was trying to make is kind of without merit and his claims actually make people whose work he enjoys look worse than the intended target?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 19, 2015 8:37:06 GMT -5
I blame Bret Hart's excellent wrestling for the deterioration of Tyson Kidd's and Natalya's relationship on Total Divas. His matches stole Kidd's heart, and now no woman can satisfy him in the same way.
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