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Post by sternrogers01 on Feb 19, 2015 6:53:29 GMT -5
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 19, 2015 7:49:33 GMT -5
I really hate how TV shows now will announce their guest stars so far ahead of time. Maybe that was always the case, I don't know, but at least before the internet it would have been easier to avoid such news. Now I can't even look up entertainment news on the BBC without seeing who will be the new Doctor, or new assistant, or new villain. You know what was great? Ecclestone regenerating into Tennant. Because I had no f***ing clue who Tennant was, or that there was going to be a regeneration. Isn't that a better story? Doesn't it add more jeopardy to a story where an assistant or Doctor might die if I DON'T know definitively that one or other of them is going to somehow die or be written out at the season finale instead?
*ahem* I do love this version of the Master though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 7:51:08 GMT -5
Good to see Missy won't be a one time thing.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Feb 19, 2015 7:56:11 GMT -5
I really hate how TV shows now will announce their guest stars so far ahead of time. Maybe that was always the case, I don't know, but at least before the internet it would have been easier to avoid such news. Now I can't even look up entertainment news on the BBC without seeing who will be the new Doctor, or new assistant, or new villain. You know what was great? Ecclestone regenerating into Tennant. Because I had no f***ing clue who Tennant was, or that there was going to be a regeneration. Isn't that a better story? Doesn't it add more jeopardy to a story where an assistant or Doctor might die if I DON'T know definitively that one or other of them is going to somehow die or be written out at the season finale instead? *ahem* I do love this version of the Master though. Hmm...was Eccelstone's departure even announced on the news on television or something? I knew there would be a regeneration at the end of "Parting" because I read that he had left online, like, mere days after "Rose" premiered. On the other hand, David Tennant's casting was very low-key in comparison to Smith and Capaldi though, with nowhere near the amount of televised publicity. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 19, 2015 7:57:32 GMT -5
I really hate how TV shows now will announce their guest stars so far ahead of time. Maybe that was always the case, I don't know, but at least before the internet it would have been easier to avoid such news. Now I can't even look up entertainment news on the BBC without seeing who will be the new Doctor, or new assistant, or new villain. You know what was great? Ecclestone regenerating into Tennant. Because I had no f***ing clue who Tennant was, or that there was going to be a regeneration. Isn't that a better story? Doesn't it add more jeopardy to a story where an assistant or Doctor might die if I DON'T know definitively that one or other of them is going to somehow die or be written out at the season finale instead? *ahem* I do love this version of the Master though. Hmm...was Eccelstone's departure even announced on the news on television or something? I knew there would be a regeneration at the end of "Parting" because I read that he had left online, like, mere days after "Rose" premiered. On the other hand, David Tennant's casting was very low-key in comparison to Smith and Capaldi though, with nowhere near the amount of televised publicity. My ignorance of it is as much because I wasn't looking it up as it was because of less publicity. Honestly, at that point I just didn't look the news up in that way. But now a new Doctor is such national news that I'd find out who the Doctor was even without trying to find out. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 19, 2015 9:20:58 GMT -5
I can't wait to see Season 8 in two years when it is put on Netflix.
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Post by Burst on Feb 19, 2015 9:33:46 GMT -5
I'm just glad they realized what a good thing they had with Missy, and I trust them not to muck it up like they did when they brought back John Simm the second time.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 19, 2015 10:52:22 GMT -5
Well that's me out, I despise Clara & Missy.
Series 8 was abysmal and I don't think I can stomach anymore
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Post by sternrogers01 on Feb 19, 2015 11:15:28 GMT -5
Bye then. You'll be back. It's the same thing from fans every year, "Oh, series X was terrible, I won't bloody watch it again". Most of the time they never really mean it.
Series eight was bloody brilliant, but then, I don't take this daft old kids show half as seriously as others.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Feb 19, 2015 12:31:12 GMT -5
Hmm...was Eccelstone's departure even announced on the news on television or something? I knew there would be a regeneration at the end of "Parting" because I read that he had left online, like, mere days after "Rose" premiered. On the other hand, David Tennant's casting was very low-key in comparison to Smith and Capaldi though, with nowhere near the amount of televised publicity. My ignorance of it is as much because I wasn't looking it up as it was because of less publicity. Honestly, at that point I just didn't look the news up in that way. But now a new Doctor is such national news that I'd find out who the Doctor was even without trying to find out. Yeah, Eccleston's departure was announced a couple of days after Rose premiered. David Tennant was announced shortly after, so it was common knowledge that Eccleston was leaving at the end of the series. It just wasn't in your face all the time like when Tennant and Matt Smith left the show (seriously, Christmas 2009 on the BBC belonged to David Tennant. He was all over the place, not that I'm complaining though because I really like the guy). |
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Post by Bobeddy on Feb 19, 2015 17:34:07 GMT -5
Bye then. You'll be back. It's the same thing from fans every year, "Oh, series X was terrible, I won't bloody watch it again". Most of the time they never really mean it. Series eight was bloody brilliant, but then, I don't take this daft old kids show half as seriously as others. I'm not going to swear off the show or anything like that but I will say Series 8 was probably the least enjoyable season since the revival. And it's a shame as I've enjoyed Capaldi but with maybe the exception of Flatline and Robots of Sherwood, I can't think of a single episode I would bother rewatching. So many of the episodes were forgettable or had promise but the stories were just rushed. It got to the point where I began thinking "Maybe the show was never that good and maybe I've grown out of it". But nope, I caught some older episodes on TV over Christmas and still enjoyed them. It was simply down to poor writing that series 8 fell so flat for me. |
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Post by Hurbster on Feb 19, 2015 19:49:12 GMT -5
If it's any consolation I have not watched the programme for the last 3 years. I put up with the focus being on the companion as long as I could.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Feb 19, 2015 20:14:45 GMT -5
Oh thank Zod. When you said "she's back" for some reason the first thing that popped into my head was the return of River Song. My poor heart wouldn't have been able to take that news. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 19, 2015 20:59:57 GMT -5
Bye then. You'll be back. It's the same thing from fans every year, "Oh, series X was terrible, I won't bloody watch it again". Most of the time they never really mean it. Series eight was bloody brilliant, but then, I don't take this daft old kids show half as seriously as others. I'm not going to swear off the show or anything like that but I will say Series 8 was probably the least enjoyable season since the revival. And it's a shame as I've enjoyed Capaldi but with maybe the exception of Flatline and Robots of Sherwood, I can't think of a single episode I would bother rewatching. So many of the episodes were forgettable or had promise but the stories were just rushed. It got to the point where I began thinking "Maybe the show was never that good and maybe I've grown out of it". But nope, I caught some older episodes on TV over Christmas and still enjoyed them. It was simply down to poor writing that series 8 fell so flat for me. Yeah, I liked Capaldi's doctor but I was not feeling a lot of the stories in 8 |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Feb 19, 2015 21:18:15 GMT -5
I personally think it's time for Steven Moffat to move on. He probably should've left with Matt Smith. I get the impression he came in with an idea for the Eleventh Doctor to give it more of a fairy tale quality, told the story he wanted to tell, it (mostly) succeeded and now he's just kinda winging it with no real direction. The show definitely needs some new blood for the new Doctor on the production end of things.
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 19, 2015 21:23:32 GMT -5
I know how diverse opinions on Who can be, but I really can't understand how anyone could stick through Series 2 or Series 6 but not Series 8.
I mean, Series 6 literally had two stories swapped around in development based around themes of parental abandonment without tying it in at all to Amy and Rory and how they felt about Melody being taken from them in either episode. The opening story's resolution was the Doctor turning all of humanity into unknowing killing machines (so long, moral of Journey's End and The Waters Of Mars!) and shooting aliens with the Sonic Screwdriver because hey, what use is a hero without a laser gun? And then not only did you have to sit through The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People, possibly the dullest two parter the series has ever had, but then there was 'Let's Kill Hitler' and a series finale that didn't actually finish anything. We had to wait until The Time Of The Doctor (more than a season later) to actually find out what the whole bloody thing was even about.
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Post by Rave on Feb 19, 2015 22:48:34 GMT -5
Other than the total bullshit way they undid the Master's redemption/sacrifice for basically grins and giggles and the equally bullshit way they tried to dispose of her like any other character, I find myself kinda liking Missy. If she shoves Clara out the TARDIS mid-flight I'll like her even more.
Moffat still needs to go away. It's not enough that we've had to put up with his pet aliens (those stupid Angels) and his fanfiction (River Song), apparently...
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Feb 20, 2015 2:38:11 GMT -5
i'm on the "Liking Capaldi as the Doctor just not the episodes train."
yeah, we need some new writers
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 20, 2015 6:08:16 GMT -5
I know how diverse opinions on Who can be, but I really can't understand how anyone could stick through Series 2 or Series 6 but not Series 8. I mean, Series 6 literally had two stories swapped around in development based around themes of parental abandonment without tying it in at all to Amy and Rory and how they felt about Melody being taken from them in either episode. The opening story's resolution was the Doctor turning all of humanity into unknowing killing machines (so long, moral of Journey's End and The Waters Of Mars!) and shooting aliens with the Sonic Screwdriver because hey, what use is a hero without a laser gun? And then not only did you have to sit through The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People, possibly the dullest two parter the series has ever had, but then there was 'Let's Kill Hitler' and a series finale that didn't actually finish anything. We had to wait until The Time Of The Doctor (more than a season later) to actually find out what the whole bloody thing was even about. At least for me, bloody Clara. Even if the stories aren't always great, I've always liked the characters and their journeys and relationships, but Clara I can't stand. She takes all the worst parts of Rose and Amy, she's a bossy little liar who manipulates everyone around her, especially her boyfriend and best friend. She's forced into the Doctor's history, she comforted him as a child, gave him a motto to live by, even picked out the TARDIS for him. She's honestly the worst person to ever be a companion to me. Adric was an annoying whiny know it all, but he was a kid and immature, Clara has no excuse. Not to mention, she's the 4th version of the same basic character, "Spunky attractive girl from contemporary Britain who loves the Doctor", so it's not even a fresh irritation, it's played out. Plus, they've had 2 excuses in the last 2 stories to get rid of her, but who hangs around like toilet paper stuck to your shoe with dog crap. |
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Post by sternrogers01 on Feb 20, 2015 6:28:54 GMT -5
Clara being manipulative was actually refreshing and very human. Amy and Rory, outside of "Asylum", was pretty much idealized love, you never really thought it was something that could be shattered (and why "Asylum" felt very out-of-character for both of them), Clara's attempts at a relationship was a deliberate deconstruction of that and it drove Danny to the grave due to her hesitation to spill things out to him. There are mary sue traits to her I can't stand myself, and Moffat inserting her into every corner of Who lore and basically becoming his origin story IS one of those things you KNOW will get retconned down the line, so I just go with the ride. With DW, story often does trump continuity.
Oh, and I loved Rebel Flesh/Almost People and Let's Kill Hitler. I think that may just be the fandom equivalent of saying "gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled"
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