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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 28, 2015 22:00:09 GMT -5
Orton is gonna win. Rollins needs to get his ass kicked after being a dick for 10 months straight without much comeuppance But can someone explain the logic to me (personal feelings aside) of building up this big babyface for months, only to have him lose in 5 minutes to end WrestleMania? Because they haven't been building the face, they've been building the heel, we've just been so preoccupied with the "Yes Movement", "Roman Legion", "The Dean-O Machine-Os" or "Push Dolph We're Begging Ya Brigade" or what not that we completely missed them building Seth into what Hunter loves, a heel that can carry the company for a decade or more. They've built Roman to be the Luger to Seth's Flair but we've also got Dean (Sting), Bryan (Steamboat), Orton (Windham), and even Dolph waiting in the wings, they don't have the heels for Roman. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Feb 28, 2015 22:06:56 GMT -5
Orton is gonna win. Rollins needs to get his ass kicked after being a dick for 10 months straight without much comeuppance But can someone explain the logic to me (personal feelings aside) of building up this big babyface for months, only to have him lose in 5 minutes to end WrestleMania? Because they haven't been building the face, they've been building the heel, we've just been so preoccupied with the "Yes Movement", "Roman Legion", "The Dean-O Machine-Os" or "Push Dolph We're Begging Ya Brigade" or what not that we completely missed them building Seth into what Hunter loves, a heel that can carry the company for a decade or more. They've built Roman to be the Luger to Seth's Flair but we've also got Dean (Sting), Bryan (Steamboat), Orton (Windham), and even Dolph waiting in the wings, they don't have the heels for Roman. Right, but if the idea is "Let's make Roman Reigns the babyface of the company" then how does Rollins going over help him at all? Doesn't matter who it is, I don't see how having WrestleMania end on a cash in does any good for whoever wins the actual main event. Same if it was Bryan or Ziggler vs Lesnar |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 28, 2015 22:11:54 GMT -5
Because they haven't been building the face, they've been building the heel, we've just been so preoccupied with the "Yes Movement", "Roman Legion", "The Dean-O Machine-Os" or "Push Dolph We're Begging Ya Brigade" or what not that we completely missed them building Seth into what Hunter loves, a heel that can carry the company for a decade or more. They've built Roman to be the Luger to Seth's Flair but we've also got Dean (Sting), Bryan (Steamboat), Orton (Windham), and even Dolph waiting in the wings, they don't have the heels for Roman. Right, but if the idea is "Let's make Roman Reigns the babyface of the company" then how does Rollins going over help him at all? Doesn't matter who it is, I don't see how having WrestleMania end on a cash in does any good for whoever wins the actual main event. Same if it was Bryan or Ziggler vs Lesnar That is not the idea is what I am saying. They are not building a "THE BABYFACE", they are building a "THE HEEL" but we've been too distracted to really pick up on it. The are building Seth Rollins to be the guy on top for the next decade but to be challenged by Roman, by Dolph, by Orton, by Sami Zayn, by Bryan and others. They are going strong heel instead of strong face. |
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Post by PTBartman on Feb 28, 2015 22:25:54 GMT -5
Orton is gonna win. Rollins needs to get his ass kicked after being a dick for 10 months straight without much comeuppance But can someone explain the logic to me (personal feelings aside) of building up this big babyface for months, only to have him lose in 5 minutes to end WrestleMania? Because they haven't been building the face, they've been building the heel, we've just been so preoccupied with the "Yes Movement", "Roman Legion", "The Dean-O Machine-Os" or "Push Dolph We're Begging Ya Brigade" or what not that we completely missed them building Seth into what Hunter loves, a heel that can carry the company for a decade or more. They've built Roman to be the Luger to Seth's Flair but we've also got Dean (Sting), Bryan (Steamboat), Orton (Windham), and even Dolph waiting in the wings, they don't have the heels for Roman. Ric, that's a really great analogy. Well stated. |
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Post by The Trashman on Feb 28, 2015 22:37:06 GMT -5
Should be Rollins since he is the next champion after Reigns.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 28, 2015 22:49:05 GMT -5
Orton should win. Rollins can regain any 'lost momentum' very easily with the briefcase. No. This is the logic that WWE uses to job out their briefcase holders and it's the reason why most money in the bank holders don't look very credible as Champion. Seth Rollins has arguably reached a point where he doesn't really need the briefcase to be a credible main eventer...but why ruin it? |
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 28, 2015 22:52:36 GMT -5
Orton should win. Rollins can regain any 'lost momentum' very easily with the briefcase. No. This is the logic that WWE uses to job out their briefcase holders and it's the reason why most money in the bank holders don't look very credible as Champion. Seth Rollins has arguably reached a point where he doesn't really need the briefcase to be a credible main eventer...but why ruin it? If a lost to Randy Orton would risk ruining Rollins, then Seth isn't as good as we all thought. |
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Post by Instant Classic on Feb 28, 2015 22:55:28 GMT -5
Orton should win. Rollins can regain any 'lost momentum' very easily with the briefcase. No. This is the logic that WWE uses to job out their briefcase holders and it's the reason why most money in the bank holders don't look very credible as Champion. Seth Rollins has arguably reached a point where he doesn't really need the briefcase to be a credible main eventer...but why ruin it? Why should Orton lose? Rollins took him out for months, its his time. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 28, 2015 22:57:41 GMT -5
No. This is the logic that WWE uses to job out their briefcase holders and it's the reason why most money in the bank holders don't look very credible as Champion. Seth Rollins has arguably reached a point where he doesn't really need the briefcase to be a credible main eventer...but why ruin it? Why should Orton lose? Rollins took him out for months, its his time. I know logic dictates that the face gets his revenge, but I'm just tired of Randy Orton...and this is coming from someone who marked the f*** out for his 2004 face run. |
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Post by Instant Classic on Feb 28, 2015 22:59:13 GMT -5
Why should Orton lose? Rollins took him out for months, its his time. I know logic dictates that the face gets his revenge, but I'm just tired of Randy Orton...and this is coming from someone who marked the f*** out for his 2004 face run. Ehh those two Orton's are completely different. I see what you mean in Rollins should win, but after months and months he just needs to get his ass kicked. |
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Feb 28, 2015 23:56:56 GMT -5
I love Rollins and think Orton is stale as all hell, but this is Orton's win. Rollins is strong as hell, best booked person on the roster. And Orton needs some credibility.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 1, 2015 0:12:04 GMT -5
With the exception of Reigns, I expect the more established talent to go over in every match.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Mar 1, 2015 0:22:31 GMT -5
Rollins because f*** boring ass Orton
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Post by schma on Mar 1, 2015 0:23:39 GMT -5
Given the snorefest that was Orton's last reign and my general lack of interest in him I don't really want him going over Rollins or any up and comer at WM. Yes Rollins is the heel who needs to get his comeuppance but I don't want Orton to be the one and I don't want him near the title. Honestly, Rollins should go over Orton and try to cash in at the end of the show only to be stopped by Ambrose. Then the authority back away all beaten down and Brock or Roman celebrates.
Edit: also to those saying Orton needs to get back at Seth for being taken out, Orton 'took out' countless people during his punting days and I don't really remember anyone getting real comeuppance on him.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 1, 2015 0:23:56 GMT -5
Orton. Rollins has steam for putting Orton out of action last year and Orton's returned. He needs his revenge. The main reason is the briefcase though. Rollins can lose to Orton and still be elevated once he cashes in so both guys look good. What I came in here to say. As long as he has that briefcase, Rollins is teflon. Plus, it's Orton's first PPV match in 4-5 months. He needs the win way more here. |
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Post by cityboy on Mar 1, 2015 0:32:30 GMT -5
Orton should beat Rollins because he should feud with him for the WWE title. If Orton beats Rollins he has a reason to say that he should be #1 contender because he beat the champ. Yep. The way I see it Orton wins at Mania. Rollins cashes in soon after and becomes champ then goes over Orton in a title match later. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 1, 2015 0:39:42 GMT -5
Jon Stewart turning on Randy Orton would make me mark hard.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 1, 2015 0:48:25 GMT -5
But can someone explain the logic to me (personal feelings aside) of building up this big babyface for months, only to have him lose in 5 minutes to end WrestleMania? Quite a few, really. Step by step: 1) Lesnar is the guy who conquered the streak, dominated John Cena and is respected and feared as the ultimate challenge in the WWE. He's on a final boss tier that no-one else in the company is on. 2) Reigns beating him would have to be an all-out war, and and Reigns will only have just barely squeaked out a victory in order to keep Lesnar's mystique and make both still the believable biggest guys to beat. 3) After a match with Brock Lesnar, Reigns will believably be at the most understandably vulnerable that he will ever, ever be in his career. 4) This vulnerability will allow Seth to cash-in without making Reigns look like anything less than a wounded warrior who was just taken to the ultimate limit and was taken out by a sucker-punch. 5) Seth taking away Reigns' moment will make him unbelievably hated as ruining the big Wrestlemania victory is a sacred calf that hasn't been slaughtered yet. 6) What makes this even sweeter is that Reigns and Rollins have been linked their entire WWE main roster careers. There's nobody they hate more than each other and they have two-and-a-half years worth of backstory. Seth, as the architect of the SHIELD, waiting for the right moment for Reigns to take the belt off of Lesnar so that Lesnar doesn't have a rematch clause against Seth, as well as getting his ultimate disrespect of Reigns makes perfect sense in terms of his character, making for a satisfying Wrestlemania conclusion that both caps off the previous year and sets us on course for the next year. 7) With Orton having already beaten Seth, this puts Orton in line for a shot right away. Reigns also has his rematch clause. Ambrose still wants revenge on Seth. Cena still wants revenge on him for bringing back the Authority. Daniel Bryan wants to take him out because of his Authority ties. Basically, a Rolling title reign is going to not only give us the most interesting and diverse series of matches, but story-wise give us a fresh bunch of avenues and obstacles Rollins will have to navigate with a gigantic target on his back in order to keep the belt. |
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Post by CM Dazz on Mar 1, 2015 1:17:34 GMT -5
Rollins. The alignment/story says it should probably be Orton, but I think Rollins is in for an even bigger push this coming year.
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Post by BigWill on Mar 1, 2015 1:33:13 GMT -5
While I understand with standard stories of revenge, someone in Orton's position would be the most likely winner, the WWE hasn't really done anything to make me want to see him win. Before Orton left, he was spending most of his time bitching and moaning to the Authority, trying to get them to cater to his every needs, while refusing to put in effort himself. So the Authority gets tired of his shit, and kicks him to the curb. And Orton hasn't done anything since returning that should garner any sympathy. So the way I see it, you can have either of them win it, and it wouldn't be "wrong" storyline-wise, as I don't see either superstar as the "good guy".
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