cait
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Post by cait on Mar 3, 2015 10:12:08 GMT -5
The fact that Bill Demott is the head trainer and superior of guys like Billy Gunn.. and Ricky Steamboat... Ricky freakin' Steamboat... Makes no sense. WWE is pretty much on good terms with everyone at this point in time. You mean to tell me they can't get someone more qualified to run that place? You are saying Lance Storm wouldn't take that place over? Sean Waltman and Scott Hall wouldn't be great trainers? Goldust is close to calling it quits, he wouldn't love to go down there and work with his dad? I just don't understand how Demott got this spot. I watched his whole WCW run. I can remember him debuting on Saturday Night. He sucked. He is most famous for being named after a boner for a while. He jobber for Goldberg a lot. How did he score one of the most important jobs in WWE? A job he has held off and on for the better part of a decade. Think about this.. A guy who spent his whole career as one step up from a jobber is Dusty Rhodes boss. Is Billy Gunns boss. Let that sink in. It is like buying a Ferrari and putting sand in the gas tank. I already said it. Triple H wanted a drill sargent to weed people out. That's why he got the spot.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 3, 2015 10:15:23 GMT -5
The fact that Bill Demott is the head trainer and superior of guys like Billy Gunn.. and Ricky Steamboat... Ricky freakin' Steamboat... Makes no sense. WWE is pretty much on good terms with everyone at this point in time. You mean to tell me they can't get someone more qualified to run that place? You are saying Lance Storm wouldn't take that place over? Sean Waltman and Scott Hall wouldn't be great trainers? Goldust is close to calling it quits, he wouldn't love to go down there and work with his dad? I just don't understand how Demott got this spot. I watched his whole WCW run. I can remember him debuting on Saturday Night. He sucked. He is most famous for being named after a boner for a while. He jobber for Goldberg a lot. How did he score one of the most important jobs in WWE? A job he has held off and on for the better part of a decade. Think about this.. A guy who spent his whole career as one step up from a jobber is Dusty Rhodes boss. Is Billy Gunns boss. Let that sink in. It is like buying a Ferrari and putting sand in the gas tank. I already said it. Triple H wanted a drill sargent to weed people out. That's why he got the spot. And those guys can't "weed people out" or decide who is and isn't cut out for the company?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 10:28:01 GMT -5
I'm not trolling I am explaining why upper management doesn't give a f***. Those people are there by choice they can leave if they want. It's one of the benefits of being the only game in town and why no one in mainstram media or Nancy Grace will ever cover it. These people aren't being held against their will. But hey lets everyone attack me for making point everyone is glossing over to hate Bill. I dunno about over in the US, but here in Australia employers have an obligation to provide a reasonably safe working environment free from the sort of needless, reckless bullshit this dickhead has reportedly done. They should give a f*** and if they don't, it's their fault, not the talent's fault, and whether mainstream media decides to crucify them or not is irrelevant. It should not be condoned. They do in the US as well.
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Post by abjordans on Mar 3, 2015 11:26:26 GMT -5
The fact that Bill Demott is the head trainer and superior of guys like Billy Gunn.. and Ricky Steamboat... Ricky freakin' Steamboat... Makes no sense. WWE is pretty much on good terms with everyone at this point in time. You mean to tell me they can't get someone more qualified to run that place? You are saying Lance Storm wouldn't take that place over? Sean Waltman and Scott Hall wouldn't be great trainers? Goldust is close to calling it quits, he wouldn't love to go down there and work with his dad? I just don't understand how Demott got this spot. I watched his whole WCW run. I can remember him debuting on Saturday Night. He sucked. He is most famous for being named after a boner for a while. He jobber for Goldberg a lot. How did he score one of the most important jobs in WWE? A job he has held off and on for the better part of a decade. Think about this.. A guy who spent his whole career as one step up from a jobber is Dusty Rhodes boss. Is Billy Gunns boss. Let that sink in. It is like buying a Ferrari and putting sand in the gas tank. I already said it. Triple H wanted a drill sargent to weed people out. That's why he got the spot. So, you are running a huge corporation. You put a guy, essentially, in charge of your future because he can weed guys out? Not because he is the best guy to prepare people to be successful at their job? Sorry, but that is some dumbass shit.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Mar 3, 2015 11:44:36 GMT -5
I already said it. Triple H wanted a drill sargent to weed people out. That's why he got the spot. And those guys can't "weed people out" or decide who is and isn't cut out for the company? It's almost like the WWE is specifically looking to only employ people who think being a wrestler is more important than their health and being treated fairly.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Mar 3, 2015 11:45:50 GMT -5
I already said it. Triple H wanted a drill sargent to weed people out. That's why he got the spot. So, you are running a huge corporation. You put a guy, essentially, in charge of your future because he can weed guys out? Not because he is the best guy to prepare people to be successful at their job? Sorry, but that is some dumbass shit. Dumbass carny shit. Old school mentalities that should have died off.
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Post by cait on Mar 3, 2015 11:48:07 GMT -5
So, you are running a huge corporation. You put a guy, essentially, in charge of your future because he can weed guys out? Not because he is the best guy to prepare people to be successful at their job? Sorry, but that is some dumbass shit. Dumbass carny shit. Old school mentalities that should have died off. There's kind of a belief that trainees are kind of coddled. Given how well paid they are and the facility they are to use. So it is ok to be extra hard on them.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 3, 2015 11:55:54 GMT -5
Dumbass carny shit. Old school mentalities that should have died off. There's kind of a belief that trainees are kind of coddled. Given how well paid they are and the facility they are to use. So it is ok to be extra hard on them. Are they paid that well? I thought that if you're not a big indie name, you don't get paid well at all, you're there more for the opportunity to make big money than to make it from day one.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 3, 2015 12:02:29 GMT -5
Dumbass carny shit. Old school mentalities that should have died off. There's kind of a belief that trainees are kind of coddled. Given how well paid they are and the facility they are to use. So it is ok to be extra hard on them. Except by all account he isn't being extra hard on them. He is just plain abiding his position.
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Post by Lancers on Mar 3, 2015 12:06:10 GMT -5
I think there's a difference somewhere between working people hard to weed out the weak and humiliating and possibly injuring them to their breaking point to weed out the weak.
I don't hear too many stories about NFL coaches having their players strip naked and have them get on the grass and attempt to recover a fumble.
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Post by abjordans on Mar 3, 2015 12:11:52 GMT -5
Dumbass carny shit. Old school mentalities that should have died off. There's kind of a belief that trainees are kind of coddled. Given how well paid they are and the facility they are to use. So it is ok to be extra hard on them. Like, what the hell do you want these people to do to be a pro wrestler these days? They would work the territories if they could,the damn things don't exist anymore?! Sorry if that sounds like I am being mean, but the whole thought process is mind boggling and makes me want to drill a whole in my head. I would,argue these people are paying more dues than your average dude on the indy scene. They literally train pro wrestling all day, then travel FL on the weekends and do shows. Every week. They are basically programmed to do nothing but wrestling 24 hours a day for years before getting to the main roster. What part of that isn't paying dues? Kevin Owens was fat on the indy. He now looks like argue tank. It literally whipped him into shape. However, that being said, you can run the world's greatest wrestling factory without having a sociopath in charge. I maintain Waltman is the best candidate. He was a star, Demott wasn't. He had great matches, Demott didn't. He has that crazy sixth sense about the biz it takes to teach it. Vince literally based his opinion on if guys were worth a shit on Waltman's evaluation for years.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 3, 2015 12:19:20 GMT -5
If you break people and weed people out, there could be a a guy who could draw you a ton of money and they just shit all over them. Hell, the Rusev story. What would have happened if Bill Demott f***ed up Rusev's neck? There would have been no Rusev, and like, one of the feature matches at Wrestlemania this year wouldn't take place. Rusev can wrestle, he gets heat, and people believe he's legit. Demott could have f***ed that up if Rusev got injured further. Hell, it happened to Richie Steamboat, where could he be right now?
And like, the story of Kevin Owens saying no, like, from Reddit with the new clique deal. Owens is someone who has confidence in his work, and from listening to the Punk interview, Punk wanted Rusev to mow him over in the Royal Rumble because Rusev was a nobody and Punk was a star. Rusev was shy, didn't have the confidence, and probably couldn't have the confidence to stand up to Rusev. It's fine having a drill sergeant, but he has to know his limits and his issues. He can be a drill sergeant while being respectful as well.
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Post by thirteen3 on Mar 3, 2015 12:22:32 GMT -5
I was mulling over wheather I should resubscribe to the network earlier. I mean, the main product is shit beyond a doubt but I could just watch the old stuff. I could watch through 1998 RAWs and PPVs and continue watching Nitro. Also NXT is pretty good. I should support that legally...but then I read this. Yeah, no. f*** da double double E, they'll never see a penny from me again.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 3, 2015 12:24:20 GMT -5
It's amazing, amazing, that the WWE has got/had the tools to not only be the best wrestling company but to truly push it over the top.
Ricky Steamboat, arguably the best in ring wrestler ever, a guy who is AT LEAST in the top 5-10 workers list in on your payroll, but he's not the trainer? I'm not saying become the dungeon but goddamn.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 12:32:36 GMT -5
Start a petition if you all are so concerned about this.
Would love to see storm in there as head trainer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 12:35:51 GMT -5
If you ask me then they should replace him with:
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Post by abjordans on Mar 3, 2015 12:38:51 GMT -5
It's amazing, amazing, that the WWE has got/had the tools to not only be the best wrestling company but to truly push it over the top. Ricky Steamboat, arguably the best in ring wrestler ever, a guy who is AT LEAST in the top 5-10 workers list in on your payroll, but he's not the trainer? I'm not saying become the dungeon but goddamn. It is like Trent Dilfer coaching a football team with Joe Montana as his assistant. It is ridiculous in any other walk of life.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Mar 3, 2015 13:04:25 GMT -5
If you break people and weed people out, there could be a a guy who could draw you a ton of money and they just shit all over them. They'd honestly rather lose someone who can make them money than keep someone who doesn't Respect The Business (i.e. refuses to tolerate being treated like shit). You make more money in the long run with willingly expendable employees.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 3, 2015 13:14:41 GMT -5
So DeMott keeps banishing him from the building every time someone else tries to show him something, including over stepping on guests (Lance Storm), other wrestlers (Riley) AND Triple H's right hand (Ceman). What the hell?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 3, 2015 13:36:03 GMT -5
It's amazing, amazing, that the WWE has got/had the tools to not only be the best wrestling company but to truly push it over the top. Ricky Steamboat, arguably the best in ring wrestler ever, a guy who is AT LEAST in the top 5-10 workers list in on your payroll, but he's not the trainer? I'm not saying become the dungeon but goddamn. Being the best workers of all time doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to be one of the best trainers of all time, star athletes who turn to coaching often become frustrated because the people they're coaching simply cannot do the things that they could as a performer. A lot of the best wrestling trainers weren't world champs or considered all time greats, but they had a solid grasp of the fundamentals, of what was needed to make you become a solid talent. That's not saying DeMott is a good coach of course, they fired him once because of his lacklustre performance and ditched DSW a few months later because people weren't developing how they'd expected and hadn't been for a long time, it amazes me that they brought him back and not Dr. Tom.
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