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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 4, 2015 6:15:00 GMT -5
I'm kinda curious, has there been any NXT to main-roster success stories? I mean, for the hype of the special and the brand's general quality, mixed with hullabaloo as to the facility being state-of-the art, but its promise hasn't shown the great a result thus far.
There's Paige and Rusev/Lana, which come to mind immediately, and only the latter can say they've had a chance to connect on any meaningful level. Rollins, Reigns and Ambrose were FCW guys, mostly, save for a little overlap and Ambrose didn't even turn up on NXT 'til after he'd debuted on the main-roster. Bray Wyatt was FCW too. Adam Rose and Emma were two casualties of suiting NXT's smaller arenas.
Not so much a criticism, but more a 'state of affairs' as we approach NXT's 3rd year as a brand.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 4, 2015 6:22:48 GMT -5
Are you going by NXT the show or developmental? Because Daniel Bryan would be the best success story.
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Post by Reflecto on Mar 4, 2015 7:45:28 GMT -5
I'm kinda curious, has there been any NXT to main-roster success stories? I mean, for the hype of the special and the brand's general quality, mixed with hullabaloo as to the facility being state-of-the art, but its promise hasn't shown the great a result thus far. There's Paige and Rusev/Lana, which come to mind immediately, and only the latter can say they've had a chance to connect on any meaningful level. Rollins, Reigns and Ambrose were FCW guys, mostly, save for a little overlap and Ambrose didn't even turn up on NXT 'til after he'd debuted on the main-roster. Bray Wyatt was FCW too. Adam Rose and Emma were two casualties of suiting NXT's smaller arenas. Not so much a criticism, but more a 'state of affairs' as we approach NXT's 3rd year as a brand. The biggest problem is that NXT's main roster success stories might be hindered by just how much street cred NXT has. On paper, you can argue that the following were big NXT success stories. In practice though, it seems like NXT's aura's gotten to a point where the expectations for NXT graduates have risen to a level where they could not possibly live up to the hype. With the Reigns/Ambrose problem (Reigns only having one match on NXT, Ambrose having none), you can argue the NXT graduates in WWE right now would be Seth Rollins, Big E Langston, The Wyatt Family, Xavier Woods, Emma, Rusev/Lana, Bo Dallas, Paige, Adam Rose, and The Ascension. Of them:The Ascension just debuted and are still in the early stages of their push, so you can't really say they're success stories or failures yet. It's safe to call the firm failures- Adam Rose, Xavier Woods, and Emma all fitting NXT's smaller arenas better than WWE. You can likely assume Big E, who had succeeded, but got forgotten about to the point he needed repackaging, can be counted as a failure as well. These are all one part of the "NXT failure to main roster success" problem. However, then you have cases where other main roster get treated like it solely because they didn't succeed as high as they "SHOULD" have: Bo Dallas is basically...he is what he is. He's not a breakout superstar, he's not an abject failure. Dallas is...pretty much exactly what you'd expect NXT Champion Bo Dallas to be if he was on the WWE main roster. This is GOOD for Dallas- but it doesn't seem good ENOUGH given how hot NXT was. By a similar token- Paige is the number two babyface Diva in the company and, depending on when AJ is finally driven away from the company, a mere formality to be the top Diva in the company within a couple years- but you could argue the street cred Paige had was truly impossible to live up to on a WWE roster. Even by "Paige literally won the Divas' Title in her first match" still falling down to "bust" levels, it seems like only "Paige wins the IC or US Title in her first match" would have come close to living up to the hype there. This doesn't even go into people who were successes (the Wyatt Family, and inevitably Rusev and Lana)- where you might be able to argue Cena hate exacerbates it (to the "Yeah, Bray Wyatt was a big monster heel and got out of it to be Taker's next challenger- but...he...loseded to Cena! RUINED FOREVAR!" claim a lot of people made- and the "So what if Rusev became a genuine great monster heel and a star in the making...he's gonna loseded to Cena at Wrestlemania! Once it happens, RUINED FOREVAR, just make him a dancing goofball like he was always going to be!") |
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Mar 4, 2015 8:07:03 GMT -5
The problem for these guys and gals going from NXT to the main roster is that they go from having people who love wrestling book NXT like a competant promotion which provides them direction and freedom to explore their characters to a show written by a bunch of failed Hollywood writers and yes-men all of which take terrible and self-contradictory direction from a mentally ill relic who has failed in all business ventures but one and Kevin Dunnblef***.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Mar 4, 2015 8:52:23 GMT -5
I don't know if I would class NXT's success rate as being down to making big stars, their goal is to fine tune the "Superstars" both in-ring and out. Should NXT successes not be qualified by who's better off when they leave it than they were when they entered it, as opposed to where they are a year or two down the line in WWE? The Rusev who crushes with Lana and can actually do promos on his own is better off than the silent guy who was with Slyvester LaFort and broke boards of wood. Bo Dallas went from being a guy everybody hated to a guy everybody loved to hate. I would call the two of them "successes" for NXT regardless of where they end up on the main roster, whereas Xavier Woods never really changed at all so I could call him a failure. If you look at the guys sent back down, Tyson Kidd went down technically skilled but boring, and came back with cats and facts, he was better off. Mason Ryan was the same rubbish he always was, now he's gone.
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Post by trollrogue on Mar 6, 2015 13:30:06 GMT -5
It's interesting to hear the discussion mention Paige's hype coming out of NXT (her being an anti-Diva) I had dreams of her repeating a Chyna and winning the Intercontinental Championship (repping it as a Brit heel, of course!) because her offense is really suited towards being able to go over a clear male jobber like, say, Zack Ryder or Heath Slater. She uses SCM-like superkicks like her bread and butter, and has been proven to be able to pick up any Diva to place her in the PTO, I don't see why a skinny male jobber wouldn't also tap out to the hold as well after a surprise superkick to the mush.
She would've totally lived up to her 'anti-Diva' aspirations if she wound up being a contender for the IC title like in my wild dreams. Hopefully main-show WWE Divas will eventually get treated like the men's division (as it already is being done on NXT) till then yeah everything they've done for Emma, Paige, and Cody's wife on main-WWE feels like a big ball being dropped compared to how great women's presence is on NXT. I'm still also waiting for Renee Young to debut as a real commentator on a show other than Superstars (replace King with her for Smackdown pretty please!! Or at least Corey Graves who's quickly becoming a favorite color-guy)
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Post by Woo on Mar 6, 2015 13:49:48 GMT -5
Seth Rollins is the only success really.
Bray Wyatt can still make it, but he's stock really has fallen fast over these last 12 months.
Luke Harper could still do alright though.
Eric Rowan has been cut off from an over stable and then used to make Big Show look strong.... Madness.
Paige is great, but she should so much more than they are letting her be. She should be a wrestler, not a Diva. I would have had her win the Divas title, throw it in the trash and declare herself the "WWE Womens Champion" and then had her have 10 minute matches with the likes of Nattie, AJ & Emma. Instead she's in a catty angle with the Bellas. She's done as much as Vince allows a woman to do in the WWE, but could be so much more.
Where is Bo Dallas? What happenned? The guy was doing great until they took him off of TV.
Big E Langston never get the support from the office. They have given him no storylines or anything interesting to do.
Xavier Woods has been given even less to do and they are not letting him show his charisma like NXT did.
Emma was screwed from day 1 really. Never stood a chance.
We were never given a reason to care about Adam Rose and then the bunny angle killed off any goodwill he had.
The Ascension had everything changed completely and then they were buried by Attitude era relics on TV. Not the best start.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Mar 6, 2015 13:57:35 GMT -5
Seth Rollins is the only success really.  |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 6, 2015 14:00:14 GMT -5
Where is Bo Dallas? What happenned? The guy was doing great until they took him off of TV.. Bo Dallas was injured until recently. He was one of those "supposed to be in the Rumble, but wasn't" guys. |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 6, 2015 14:03:12 GMT -5
Seth Rollins is the only success really. Also, even if he was only there a few matches...  |
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Post by Woo on Mar 6, 2015 14:45:28 GMT -5
Seth Rollins is the only success really. Yeah, I forgot about him until after posting. I was going to edit my post but then the DeMott news broke! |
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