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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 7, 2015 1:17:48 GMT -5
^Has Bray even had a match since he started calling out Taker?
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Post by FAR5222 on Mar 7, 2015 1:24:47 GMT -5
^Has Bray even had a match since he started calling out Taker? Fought Ziggler two weeks straight on Raw and beat him cleanly and strongly and no sold his super kick two weeks straight. |
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 7, 2015 1:45:09 GMT -5
Problem is the three main events of Lesnar vs. Reigns, HHH vs. Sting, and Wyatt vs. Undertaker is just a series of one guy cutting promo's by himself. Hell the entire build up of Wyatt vs. Undertaker is literally Bray Wyatt talking to himself. No Undertaker returning teases, no vignettes, no Bray Wyatt causing chaos in the ring it's just literally one guy talking to himself. The match at WM should be Undertaker just standing there in the corner while Bray beats himself up. DO MAGIC! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 2:14:26 GMT -5
I really don't get this Bray Wyatt thing. They've been building him up at the expense of basically everybody he's interacted with (mostly Ambrose) for months on end for... What? Just to have him lose to Taker, who just ignores him for the entire build leading up to it so Bray doesn't even get to lay him out on Raw one week to get something out of it? What sense does it make that they've spent the past six months giving him easily the strongest consistent depiction on the entire roster just so Taker can use him as a speed bump before disappearing for another twelve months then promptly retiring?
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Post by King (Super) Dragunov on Mar 7, 2015 6:39:34 GMT -5
Problem is the three main events of Lesnar vs. Reigns, HHH vs. Sting, and Wyatt vs. Undertaker is just a series of one guy cutting promo's by himself. Hell the entire build up of Wyatt vs. Undertaker is literally Bray Wyatt talking to himself. No Undertaker returning teases, no vignettes, no Bray Wyatt causing chaos in the ring it's just literally one guy talking to himself. The match at WM should be Undertaker just standing there in the corner while Bray beats himself up. and then somehow Bray still becomes the 2 in 21 and 2. |
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Post by cityboy on Mar 7, 2015 6:55:21 GMT -5
I really don't get this Bray Wyatt thing. They've been building him up at the expense of basically everybody he's interacted with (mostly Ambrose) for months on end for... What? Just to have him lose to Taker, who just ignores him for the entire build leading up to it so Bray doesn't even get to lay him out on Raw one week to get something out of it? What sense does it make that they've spent the past six months giving him easily the strongest consistent depiction on the entire roster just so Taker can use him as a speed bump before disappearing for another twelve months then promptly retiring? Only benefit is a possible Wyatt face turn after the match. |
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 7, 2015 7:07:02 GMT -5
I've never seen a main event of Wrestlemania booked so bad. That half-assed build to Bryan/Reigns was booked better than this. It's definitely up there, but sadly when I thought about it there is some competition. Cena-Rock II, Cena-Miz, Jericho-HHH, Undertaker-Sid, Bam Bam-LT (it did main), Hogan-Bundy...there's been some suck when it comes to main even WM build. It's a really poor reflection on the company. This should be your biggest most-hyped single match of the year. Not "how can we reduce the amount of booing he'll get?" |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 10:20:46 GMT -5
Honestly another thing that's killing the hype of Mania is the lack of announced matches while the event is only three weeks away. It's like if they announce all the Oscar nominees two weeks before the show rather then nearly two months. Those two months gives you time to watch all those movies and then get invested in the awards show of which movies and performances deserve to win. Instead WWE is doing slow buildups to obvious match announcements like (Orton vs. Rollins, Cena vs. Rusev, will DB be in the IC ladder match, Paige/AJ vs. The Bellas, etc) rather then announcing the match and creating heat for the feud.
I do admit the buildup for Cena vs. Rusev is great so far but it's because they already have heat in the feud with Rusev beating Cena and acting all high and mighty about it plus he's Cena's only ticket to Wrestlemania. Shit this is the most well built up match for Mania this year so far
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 7, 2015 10:59:12 GMT -5
I wish Cena/Rusev was the actual WWE title match at WM to be honest. Rusev really is the top heel in the company right now and this feud has easily the most juice behind it. Rollins/Orton could have but they blew it by having Orton come back and rejoin the Authority. Incidentally, is there no stip at WM involving the Authority having to go away forever? I thought at the very least if HHH lost to Sting that meant the Authority was gone for good. Otherwise who cares?
The Wyatt deal is the best argument for needing jobbers. I could have stomached Wyatt squashing jobbers for 4 months and calling out The Undertaker, because at least you're not jobbing anyone useful out in order to build Wyatt for UT. Instead they've jobbed Ambrose totally out to him, jobbed Bryan, jobbed Ziggler, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 11:25:17 GMT -5
Problem is the three main events of Lesnar vs. Reigns, HHH vs. Sting, and Wyatt vs. Undertaker is just a series of one guy cutting promo's by himself. Hell the entire build up of Wyatt vs. Undertaker is literally Bray Wyatt talking to himself. No Undertaker returning teases, no vignettes, no Bray Wyatt causing chaos in the ring it's just literally one guy talking to himself. That's a great point. I hadn't even thought about that. WWE's part-timer strategy is REALLY biting them in the ass here. Each of the top 3 matches features a guy who's barely even on the roster. Bray Wyatt and Roman Reigns could be the only 2 full-time roster guys we see in the entire second half of the show. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 11:26:19 GMT -5
The Wyatt deal is the best argument for needing jobbers. I could have stomached Wyatt squashing jobbers for 4 months and calling out The Undertaker, because at least you're not jobbing anyone useful out in order to build Wyatt for UT. Instead they've jobbed Ambrose totally out to him, jobbed Bryan, jobbed Ziggler, etc. Well, they could've done this, if they hadn't had JBL completely bury the concept of jobber squashes on commentary for three or four weeks straight. But I digress. Yeah, the build to this Mania has been pretty piss-poor, which is a shame because I think most of the rumored matches are gonna' actually be good. The ladder match has a bunch of really talented people (and R-Truth) so it'll probably end up stealing the show, the Andre battle royale should be fun, Orton/Rollins will be really good, Bray/Taker and Sting/Trips should both be fine (though both are quite inferior to Sting/Taker IMO), the Divas match should be alright if they give it time, and Reigns/Brock will probably be pretty good though the crowd is absolutely going to shit on it. That's really not an awful card when you look at it, it's just WWE has given people no reason to care. |
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Post by Marty McFry on Mar 7, 2015 11:47:39 GMT -5
Bruce Mitchell put it best...
"What you're seeing here is the first real WWE Network Wrestlemania"
What he means is, if WWE pulls out all the booking stops and inter-weave multi levelled storylines that fans care about and invest in plus put on a mega star power main event, Just over 1 million fans will watch Wrestlemania.
If they botch everything and half ass all the storylines and present a main event hardly anyone cares about... Just over 1 million fans will watch Wrestlemania
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 7, 2015 12:10:18 GMT -5
Honestly another thing that's killing the hype of Mania is the lack of announced matches while the event is only three weeks away. It's like if they announce all the Oscar nominees two weeks before the show rather then nearly two months. Those two months gives you time to watch all those movies and then get invested in the awards show of which movies and performances deserve to win. Instead WWE is doing slow buildups to obvious match announcements like (Orton vs. Rollins, Cena vs. Rusev, will DB be in the IC ladder match, Paige/AJ vs. The Bellas, etc) rather then announcing the match and creating heat for the feud. I do admit the buildup for Cena vs. Rusev is great so far but it's because they already have heat in the feud with Rusev beating Cena and acting all high and mighty about it plus he's Cena's only ticket to Wrestlemania. Shit this is the most well built up match for Mania this year so far I still say this is a huge storyline problem. You are telling a story that says a rookie decides if the biggest active name and largest draw actually gets to appear at the biggest show. It almost made sense when Cena was going to be in the Andre Battle Royal, but then Steph remembered she hasn't had much screen time in the Mania build. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 12:17:58 GMT -5
Honestly another thing that's killing the hype of Mania is the lack of announced matches while the event is only three weeks away. It's like if they announce all the Oscar nominees two weeks before the show rather then nearly two months. Those two months gives you time to watch all those movies and then get invested in the awards show of which movies and performances deserve to win. Instead WWE is doing slow buildups to obvious match announcements like (Orton vs. Rollins, Cena vs. Rusev, will DB be in the IC ladder match, Paige/AJ vs. The Bellas, etc) rather then announcing the match and creating heat for the feud. I do admit the buildup for Cena vs. Rusev is great so far but it's because they already have heat in the feud with Rusev beating Cena and acting all high and mighty about it plus he's Cena's only ticket to Wrestlemania. Shit this is the most well built up match for Mania this year so far I still say this is a huge storyline problem. You are telling a story that says a rookie decides if the biggest active name and largest draw actually gets to appear at the biggest show. It almost made sense when Cena was going to be in the Andre Battle Royal, but then Steph remembered she hasn't had much screen time in the Mania build. I think it makes sense. Rusev has already beaten Cena almost cleanly so he already has the upper advantage of this feud, Stephanie and The Authority still hate Cena for Captaining a team to get The Authority out of power, and they (The Authority) already seeing Cena as an old man whose best days are way behind him and young blood like Reigns, Rollins, Rusev, Wyatt, Ambrose, Ziggler, etc are starting to take over the main event scene. Hell for 9 straight Wrestlemania's from 21-29 had Cena either in the main event or in the WWE/WHC picture. This is the second year in a row that Cena is not in the main event or in the World Title Picture and The Authority is starting to see him as replaceable. Also The Authority needs to make a statement that no person is bigger then the company. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 13:32:19 GMT -5
It's weird that they didn't pull out all the stops to build up a great Mania card after the whole Royal Rumble fiasco but here we are.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 7, 2015 14:05:55 GMT -5
I still say this is a huge storyline problem. You are telling a story that says a rookie decides if the biggest active name and largest draw actually gets to appear at the biggest show. It almost made sense when Cena was going to be in the Andre Battle Royal, but then Steph remembered she hasn't had much screen time in the Mania build. I think it makes sense. Rusev has already beaten Cena almost cleanly so he already has the upper advantage of this feud, Stephanie and The Authority still hate Cena for Captaining a team to get The Authority out of power, and they (The Authority) already seeing Cena as an old man whose best days are way behind him and young blood like Reigns, Rollins, Rusev, Wyatt, Ambrose, Ziggler, etc are starting to take over the main event scene. Hell for 9 straight Wrestlemania's from 21-29 had Cena either in the main event or in the WWE/WHC picture. This is the second year in a row that Cena is not in the main event or in the World Title Picture and The Authority is starting to see him as replaceable. Also The Authority needs to make a statement that no person is bigger then the company. You cannot tell me in one segment that John Cena is an old man with his best days behind him and doesn't deserve a shot at mania then turn around later the same night and try to have the announcers sell me on HHH, Sting and Undertaker. Hell Brock is the same age as Cena. I mean they have two narratives going. One is that legends are the reason to watch the mania and no matter what happens all year you will see legends rise at mania. The other is that Cena is too old to compete with this young stallion and may not be worthy anymore, a new era is arriving. If you buy into the future is dawning narrative Triple H/Sting is a waste of time. If you buy into the legends narrative John Cena isn't a legend?!?!? |
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Mar 7, 2015 14:12:55 GMT -5
I think it makes sense. Rusev has already beaten Cena almost cleanly so he already has the upper advantage of this feud, Stephanie and The Authority still hate Cena for Captaining a team to get The Authority out of power, and they (The Authority) already seeing Cena as an old man whose best days are way behind him and young blood like Reigns, Rollins, Rusev, Wyatt, Ambrose, Ziggler, etc are starting to take over the main event scene. Hell for 9 straight Wrestlemania's from 21-29 had Cena either in the main event or in the WWE/WHC picture. This is the second year in a row that Cena is not in the main event or in the World Title Picture and The Authority is starting to see him as replaceable. Also The Authority needs to make a statement that no person is bigger then the company. You cannot tell me in one segment that John Cena is an old man with his best days behind him and doesn't deserve a shot at mania then turn around later the same night and try to have the announcers sell me on HHH, Sting and Undertaker. Hell Brock is the same age as Cena. I mean they have two narratives going. One is that legends are the reason to watch the mania and no matter what happens all year you will see legends rise at mania. The other is that Cena is too old to compete with this young stallion and may not be worthy anymore, a new era is arriving. If you buy into the future is dawning narrative Triple H/Sting is a waste of time. If you buy into the legends narrative John Cena isn't a legend?!?!? You're entering that area where you're putting more thought into this than anyone on creative. |
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 7, 2015 14:25:49 GMT -5
You cannot tell me in one segment that John Cena is an old man with his best days behind him and doesn't deserve a shot at mania then turn around later the same night and try to have the announcers sell me on HHH, Sting and Undertaker. Hell Brock is the same age as Cena. I mean they have two narratives going. One is that legends are the reason to watch the mania and no matter what happens all year you will see legends rise at mania. The other is that Cena is too old to compete with this young stallion and may not be worthy anymore, a new era is arriving. If you buy into the future is dawning narrative Triple H/Sting is a waste of time. If you buy into the legends narrative John Cena isn't a legend?!?!? You're entering that area where you're putting more thought into this than anyone on creative. I have houseplants who put more thought into things than WWE creative. |
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Post by joeiscool on Mar 7, 2015 14:33:55 GMT -5
are we watching the same show?
I'm not saying that NXT isn't great, but the build up to Brock, and Roman is pretty spectacular with Paul Heyman doing most of the talking.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Mar 7, 2015 14:36:59 GMT -5
are we watching the same show? I'm not saying that NXT isn't great, but the build up to Brock, and Roman is pretty spectacular with Paul Heyman doing most of the talking. You don't see a problem with the main feud of WrestleMania being carried entirely by someone who's not even a wrestler? |
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