FAR5222
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Post by FAR5222 on Mar 7, 2015 14:39:51 GMT -5
are we watching the same show? I'm not saying that NXT isn't great, but the build up to Brock, and Roman is pretty spectacular with Paul Heyman doing most of the talking. Spectacular?
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Post by joeiscool on Mar 7, 2015 15:01:33 GMT -5
are we watching the same show? I'm not saying that NXT isn't great, but the build up to Brock, and Roman is pretty spectacular with Paul Heyman doing most of the talking. You don't see a problem with the main feud of WrestleMania being carried entirely by someone who's not even a wrestler? You mean a manager? nope...
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 7, 2015 15:11:48 GMT -5
Problem is the three main events of Lesnar vs. Reigns, HHH vs. Sting, and Wyatt vs. Undertaker is just a series of one guy cutting promo's by himself. Hell the entire build up of Wyatt vs. Undertaker is literally Bray Wyatt talking to himself. No Undertaker returning teases, no vignettes, no Bray Wyatt causing chaos in the ring it's just literally one guy talking to himself. That's a great point. I hadn't even thought about that. WWE's part-timer strategy is REALLY biting them in the ass here. Each of the top 3 matches features a guy who's barely even on the roster. Bray Wyatt and Roman Reigns could be the only 2 full-time roster guys we see in the entire second half of the show. Exactly; WWE has spent years and years now driving the point home to the audience that you shouldn't care about basically anybody who wasn't around in the 90s/very early 00s (besides John Cena). All wrestlers who came later are afterthoughts who shouldn't be taken too seriously, because none of them can withstand the might of the Rock, Brock Lesnar, the Undertaker, Triple H, etc. I said this elsewhere, but it's a small part of why I don't think WWE can ever accomplish another "boom era" if they stay in this mode: the Attitude Era (and WCW's nWo era) only took off so much because it was such a radical departure from the New Generation presentation, with guys who weren't the big stars during that time suddenly taking the limelight for themselves, 'Taker aside. What can they conceivably build off of right now to construct a new period of mainstream popularity?
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Mar 7, 2015 15:11:49 GMT -5
are we watching the same show? I'm not saying that NXT isn't great, but the build up to Brock, and Roman is pretty spectacular with Paul Heyman doing most of the talking. Most of the talking? The Reigns/Lesnar feud is Paul Heyman. Paul Heyman is the entire feud. I don't agree with the concept that they aren't trying because this is the first network WM. Vince, H, Steph and the writers aren't in a meeting saying to not bother. I think this is a symptom of a bigger problem. Which is that none of their current full time guys have been part of a growth period in wrestling. Their biggest names don't draw attention like the big names of the Attitude Era. If anything, I'd say that instead of not trying, that they ARE trying very hard to get as many viewers as possible by way of bringing in all the old names of when more than twice the number of people watched.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 7, 2015 16:04:17 GMT -5
Now I would love to see A-Ry squash Roman Reigns. I will settle for Riley being in the Andre Battle Royal, hitting at least three offensive moves, and scoring at least ONE elimination.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 7, 2015 16:08:27 GMT -5
are we watching the same show? I'm not saying that NXT isn't great, but the build up to Brock, and Roman is pretty spectacular with Paul Heyman doing most of the talking. Most? Spectacular? Paul Heyman is the only one doing anything. This would be good build for, maybe Survivor Series or the Rumble.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Mar 7, 2015 16:22:25 GMT -5
It's a unique time and the build could definitely be better. But people saying it's the worst build to a WrestleMania ever, I disagree. For one thing, people care a lot right now, the net is hot with discussion, people are invested, etc. Some years it felt more like apathy and was to me less interesting and all around worse than this year.
Take say WrestleMania 23. HBK is one of my all time favs, but it was a forgone conclusion that he was losing to Cena, and the feud wasn't anything interesting. We had the horrific Trump vs McMahon Lashley/Umaga feud. A Money in the Bank ladder match that was booked with less heat than this IC title feud. Undertaker vs Batista was a really good match, but that feud wasn't very memorable either.
I think Reigns is a flop right now as the choice to beat Brock, but it's still more interesting than Cena the champ part 3000. Plus our guy Rollins may save the day. It's weird to see the fan favs lower on the card, but they're kind of making the most of it in some ways. And as a fan I'm just looking forward to seeing Taker again after many thought he was done, and it's exciting to see Sting. And Cena vs Rusev is actually built pretty well. And of course, Heyman promos are great.
And I'm not usually one to say wait and see, but we do still have three weeks.
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gr1990
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Post by gr1990 on Mar 7, 2015 17:13:14 GMT -5
That's a great point. I hadn't even thought about that. WWE's part-timer strategy is REALLY biting them in the ass here. Each of the top 3 matches features a guy who's barely even on the roster. Bray Wyatt and Roman Reigns could be the only 2 full-time roster guys we see in the entire second half of the show. Exactly; WWE has spent years and years now driving the point home to the audience that you shouldn't care about basically anybody who wasn't around in the 90s/very early 00s (besides John Cena). All wrestlers who came later are afterthoughts who shouldn't be taken too seriously, because none of them can withstand the might of the Rock, Brock Lesnar, the Undertaker, Triple H, etc. I said this elsewhere, but it's a small part of why I don't think WWE can ever accomplish another "boom era" if they stay in this mode: the Attitude Era (and WCW's nWo era) only took off so much because it was such a radical departure from the New Generation presentation, with guys who weren't the big stars during that time suddenly taking the limelight for themselves, 'Taker aside. What can they conceivably build off of right now to construct a new period of mainstream popularity? This. The PG era could have been its own, distinct thing, instead it's just 'as much of the Attitude era stuff as we can get away with on a PG rating,' with all the guys from the Attitude era showing up to play the same characters and be portrayed as more talented, entertaining and important than any of the full-time roster. It's such a self-destructive philosophy: 'yeah, you know those guys from 15 years ago who can't be bothered to show up more than a few times a year now cos they've got better things to do? They're the real stars.' I loved them just as much as anyone else back in the day, but I actually hope for as little cameos from Rock and Austin as possible because the fawning over them is so tragic and everyone they come into contact with from the present generation being undermined and dismissed is so infuriating. They really are bigger than the company now and WWE are terrified that if they don't verbally fellate them from the second they arrive to the second they leave then they'll never come back. I'm not even interested in Sting showing up because I just want to finally see a Wrestlemania not built around people who didn't reach the peak of their popularity at some point between 1985 and 2005.
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Post by eJm on Mar 7, 2015 17:19:42 GMT -5
The thing about Rock and Austin, and Hogan to a degree, was that the fact they opened WrestleMania 30 was the perfect way to use guys like that.
Have the crowd get into the fact that they're all in the ring at the same time and have them talk about how big the event is and, key thing here, put over the fact they're going to see some talented people on the biggest stage of them all.
It was the best use of those three guys.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 7, 2015 17:29:56 GMT -5
That's a great point. I hadn't even thought about that. WWE's part-timer strategy is REALLY biting them in the ass here. Each of the top 3 matches features a guy who's barely even on the roster. Bray Wyatt and Roman Reigns could be the only 2 full-time roster guys we see in the entire second half of the show. Exactly; WWE has spent years and years now driving the point home to the audience that you shouldn't care about basically anybody who wasn't around in the 90s/very early 00s (besides John Cena). All wrestlers who came later are afterthoughts who shouldn't be taken too seriously, because none of them can withstand the might of the Rock, Brock Lesnar, the Undertaker, Triple H, etc. I said this elsewhere, but it's a small part of why I don't think WWE can ever accomplish another "boom era" if they stay in this mode: the Attitude Era (and WCW's nWo era) only took off so much because it was such a radical departure from the New Generation presentation, with guys who weren't the big stars during that time suddenly taking the limelight for themselves, 'Taker aside. What can they conceivably build off of right now to construct a new period of mainstream popularity? Also to be noted the original boom came from giving up on Bob Backlund style wrestling, and going toward Rock'n Roll, pretty boy bodybuilders, mullets, and everything cutting edge pop culture at the time. Even Cena isn't immune to this mindset. He had to job to Rock. And nowadays when he should be passing the torch making the next generation, he's the afterthought match and the attitude is main eventing. He makes the new stars in the summer months and Triple H is the one who puts them over after they've had their break out match with Cena.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 7, 2015 18:52:16 GMT -5
This isn't the worst Wrestlemania build-up. I'm old enough to remember the build-up to 11.
It's pretty bad though.
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