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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 7, 2015 13:06:19 GMT -5
Trust me, he won't be.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 7, 2015 13:08:10 GMT -5
Here's a question, why would he? This unimportant match with an even less important accolade has nothing to do with their feud whatsoever. Outside of Mizdow eliminating Miz and adding more dissension to something that probably should've come to blows a while ago, it would be coming out of left field. I think that Because the battle royal ISNT all that important and the win doesn't HAVE to lead to a major push, it seem ls like a bigger likelihood that Sandow could win. But that same argument could be made for anyone. I do have to agree, the battle royal has little to do with their story outside of the possibility of Sandow eliminating Miz. And if Sandow wins, but Miz is somehow eliminated by someone else, what's the point?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 13:09:53 GMT -5
I disagree that Mizdow is the obvious choice. He might be the most over guy in the match, but the Mizdow character is on borrowed time beyond the Miz storyline. They stripped away too much of his former character that all he is, is a Miz impersonator and once they take that away from him they gotta start from scratch again, and I just don't trust them to do that successfully. To me this personal assistant storyline is so stupid it's already killing Mizdow for me, like, why does he have to be Miz's assistant? Why does he have to step out of matches to shine Miz's shoes, why is this a job that he's fighting to keep? Why is his name even still Mizdow? He just looks stupid.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 7, 2015 13:35:00 GMT -5
All I want for this match is for Axel to keep it up with the Hogan schtick.
I want him to get eliminated close to the end, and then pull someone else out from outside, out of spite, like Hogan did in '92.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 7, 2015 15:39:30 GMT -5
I'm actually hoping Ryback wins, as I can see him doing great things with a starting push at Mania. Mizdow, while entertaining, I see as just another Alex Riley. He's great when he's got someone to play off of, but stick him out on his own and he gets exposed and flops hard. I have to agree and disagree. One, Alex Riley isn't that bad, lets get that out of the way now. I think he would've been better off had he been handled better. Two, while I agree that Mizdow is in a conundrum, it has nothing to do with how well he will do on his own. Sandow doesn't necessarily need someone to play off of so much as it is that the gimmick that gave him this resurgence in overnees is tied completely to Miz, and he's already been handicapped by them stopping the Stunt Double stuff. The problem isn't so much that Sandow will be "flop hard" as a solo act so much as he has to start over completely from scratch either by giving him a new gimmick (or his old one).
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Mar 7, 2015 15:43:32 GMT -5
I'd love it if Mizdow won, but what about Ryback? A very over fan fav will lose the match either way. And as was mentined, Mizdow eliminating Miz and leading to a big match at Extreme Rules could be good too, even if Mizdow doesn't win this one.
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Post by Lancers on Mar 7, 2015 15:45:21 GMT -5
Well....looks like another one's about to quit the WWE. But will Room Temperature really follow through on his retirement? Stay tuned as RAW rolls on!!!!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 7, 2015 15:46:38 GMT -5
I'd love it if Mizdow won, but what about Ryback? A very over fan fav will lose the match either way. And as was mentined, Mizdow eliminating Miz and leading to a big match at Extreme Rules could be good too, even if Mizdow doesn't win this one. Yeah. Sandow doesn't have to win. He just has to eliminate Miz
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Post by chazraps on Mar 7, 2015 15:47:39 GMT -5
I'm actually hoping Ryback wins, as I can see him doing great things with a starting push at Mania. Mizdow, while entertaining, I see as just another Alex Riley. He's great when he's got someone to play off of, but stick him out on his own and he gets exposed and flops hard.Except Riley didn't flop at all, got a huge reaction every time he came out well into 2012 when his appearances on television were absurdly infrequent and was so over that the majority of this board thought he was the favorite to win a briefcase at Money in the Bank 2011.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 7, 2015 15:53:01 GMT -5
Terry Funk promises to retire from wrestling if Damien Mizdow doesn't win the ATGMBR.
FOREVER!
FOREVEr!
FOREVer!
FOREver!
FORever!
FOrever!
Forever!
forever!
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Post by BigWill on Mar 7, 2015 16:28:09 GMT -5
I'm actually hoping Ryback wins, as I can see him doing great things with a starting push at Mania. Mizdow, while entertaining, I see as just another Alex Riley. He's great when he's got someone to play off of, but stick him out on his own and he gets exposed and flops hard.Except Riley didn't flop at all, got a huge reaction every time he came out well into 2012 when his appearances on television were absurdly infrequent and was so over that the majority of this board thought he was the favorite to win a briefcase at Money in the Bank 2011. He flopped in the sense that he showed that he was way too green in the ring to warrant a push at that time. At that point, it doesn't matter what kind of reaction you get when you can't be counted on to perform in the ring.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 7, 2015 16:29:56 GMT -5
I'm actually hoping Ryback wins, as I can see him doing great things with a starting push at Mania. Mizdow, while entertaining, I see as just another Alex Riley. He's great when he's got someone to play off of, but stick him out on his own and he gets exposed and flops hard.Except Riley didn't flop at all, got a huge reaction every time he came out well into 2012 when his appearances on television were absurdly infrequent and was so over that the majority of this board thought he was the favorite to win a briefcase at Money in the Bank 2011. They did expose him. They exposed him by forcing him into commentary despite the fact that he wasn't all that good at it, and turning the fanbase on him; now everyone wants to act like he was never any good for the sake of carrying on an unfunny running joke that I (or you) are the only one(s) who ever liked him. Except Riley didn't flop at all, got a huge reaction every time he came out well into 2012 when his appearances on television were absurdly infrequent and was so over that the majority of this board thought he was the favorite to win a briefcase at Money in the Bank 2011. He flopped in the sense that he showed that he was way too green in the ring to warrant a push at that time. At that point, it doesn't matter what kind of reaction you get when you can't be counted on to perform in the ring. But that wasn't his fault. It was WWE's for having him barely wrestle and actually work on his craft during his period as Miz's lackey. They shoved him into the deep end without letting him learn to tread water. Since you compared Sandow to Riley, it's the same thing right now with him. He's not getting the proper time to actually work on his craft.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 7, 2015 16:33:09 GMT -5
Except Riley didn't flop at all, got a huge reaction every time he came out well into 2012 when his appearances on television were absurdly infrequent and was so over that the majority of this board thought he was the favorite to win a briefcase at Money in the Bank 2011. He flopped in the sense that he showed that he was way too green in the ring to warrant a push at that time. At that point, it doesn't matter what kind of reaction you get when you can't be counted on to perform in the ring. That's not a flop. The crowds super took to him, it was a creative decision not to keep him on screen, but his efforts following his departure from Miz were in no way unsuccessful.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Mar 7, 2015 16:51:38 GMT -5
WHAT'CHA GONNA DO, WHEN AXELMANIA RUNS WILD OVER MIZDOW AND YO... ...oh. Well then get on the right wagon, Brother.
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Post by BigWill on Mar 7, 2015 17:37:44 GMT -5
He flopped in the sense that he showed that he was way too green in the ring to warrant a push at that time. At that point, it doesn't matter what kind of reaction you get when you can't be counted on to perform in the ring. That's not a flop. The crowds super took to him, it was a creative decision not to keep him on screen, but his efforts following his departure from Miz were in no way unsuccessful. Then what do you call failing to perform in the ring? If you can't even do the basics of what's required of you in a match, you've flopped. Simply getting a good crowd reaction isn't not all there is to being a wrestler. But we're getting way off-topic. All I was trying to say was that I don't think Mizdow has a very big upside when he's not paired with someone he can play off of. Whereas someone like Ryback can benefit greatly from WWE getting behind him, especially now that he's been seeing improvement since his initial push.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 7, 2015 17:45:51 GMT -5
That's not a flop. The crowds super took to him, it was a creative decision not to keep him on screen, but his efforts following his departure from Miz were in no way unsuccessful. Then what do you call failing to perform in the ring? If you can't even do the basics of what's required of you in a match, you've flopped. Simply getting a good crowd reaction isn't not all there is to being a wrestler. No, that's not flopping. Flopping suggests A-Ry wasn't a success. When you get the reactions that A-Ry did, you're a success. Crowd reaction and merch sales, in this pre-determined form of entertainment, are really the two biggest factors as to your quality. If you can get a great crowd reaction, you're a good wrestler. That's what it really all comes down to. That's the first basic of what's "required of you in a match." There's been plenty of guys who've been technically better in the ring who couldn't capture near the reactions that Reily did. Calling him a flop is flat out wrong.
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Post by BigWill on Mar 7, 2015 17:57:58 GMT -5
Then what do you call failing to perform in the ring? If you can't even do the basics of what's required of you in a match, you've flopped. Simply getting a good crowd reaction isn't not all there is to being a wrestler. No, that's not flopping. Flopping suggests A-Ry wasn't a success. When you get the reactions that A-Ry did, you're a success. Crowd reaction and merch sales, in this pre-determined form of entertainment, are really the two biggest factors as to your quality. If you can get a great crowd reaction, you're a good wrestler. That's what it really all comes down to. That's the first basic of what's "required of you in a match." There's been plenty of guys who've been technically better in the ring who couldn't capture near the reactions that Reily did. Calling him a flop is flat out wrong. Getting crowd reactions does not make you a good wrestler. Making money for the wrestling company makes you a good wrestler. He didn't sell merch. No one was buying tickets to see Alex Riley. No one was buying PPVs to see his match. He was a guy that got some good reactions off his good storyline with Miz. Great for him, but he was far from a success when WWE wasn't able to sustain his push for more than a few months due to his bad ring work. And there's a huge difference between being really technical and being proficient enough to do the basics. Alex Riley was GREEN. You can't push someone that's green, regardless of how big of a reaction you get. There's a reason why he's no longer a regular wrestler, despite still being with the WWE. Whatever, I'm done. Call it whatever you want. I've grown tired of talking about someone that never did and never will amount to anything as a pro wrestling.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 7, 2015 18:10:22 GMT -5
No, that's not flopping. Flopping suggests A-Ry wasn't a success. When you get the reactions that A-Ry did, you're a success. Crowd reaction and merch sales, in this pre-determined form of entertainment, are really the two biggest factors as to your quality. If you can get a great crowd reaction, you're a good wrestler. That's what it really all comes down to. That's the first basic of what's "required of you in a match." There's been plenty of guys who've been technically better in the ring who couldn't capture near the reactions that Reily did. Calling him a flop is flat out wrong. Getting crowd reactions does not make you a good wrestler. Making money for the wrestling company makes you a good wrestler. He didn't sell merch. No one was buying tickets to see Alex Riley. No one was buying PPVs to see his match. He was a guy that got some good reactions off his good storyline with Miz. Great for him, but he was far from a success when WWE wasn't able to sustain his push for more than a few months due to his bad ring work. And there's a huge difference between being really technical and being proficient enough to do the basics. Alex Riley was GREEN. You can't push someone that's green, regardless of how big of a reaction you get. There's a reason why he's no longer a regular wrestler, despite still being with the WWE. Whatever, I'm done. Call it whatever you want. I've grown tired of talking about someone that never did and never will amount to anything as a pro wrestling. The point is, you're misusing the word "Flop," and in a discussion like this it's detrimental to the conversation itself. People were wildly cheering Reily for several months after the Miz feud ended because he (at that point pre-commentary at least) was incredibly likable. That crowd interest is the hardest thing to teach. But getting the chance to cheer for someone with a group of likeminded fans is why just about any form of live entertainment sells tickets, and in the spring/summer/fall of 2011, A-Ry was a big part of that. That's how he contributed to the show with regular consistent fun moments, which contributes to selling tickets. Green or not, his outings in front of a camera were a success. By definition, that's not a flop.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Mar 7, 2015 18:25:03 GMT -5
He's throwing out Miz for sure but I doubt he wins the whole thing. You could always go to TNA they tell you who wins beforehand so you don't have to watch.
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Post by Some Guy on Mar 7, 2015 18:33:30 GMT -5
I'm actually hoping Ryback wins, as I can see him doing great things with a starting push at Mania. Mizdow, while entertaining, I see as just another Alex Riley. He's great when he's got someone to play off of, but stick him out on his own and he gets exposed and flops hard. Umm, Sandow was doing great on his own until they stripped away everything that was great about him for no real reason. No idea how that counts as flopping. The guy can adapt to anything, he just needs to actually be given something to work with.
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