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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 22:25:21 GMT -5
Cena and Rock had all the business in main eventing. Oh definitely. This is more about crappy timing for CM Punk.
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Post by lildude8218 on Mar 7, 2015 22:31:27 GMT -5
You know how everybody laughed at Cena's angry face during the Embrace the Hate angle? Go back and watch Punk when Laurinaitus puts that dumb DQ stipulation on his match with Jericho just before it starts. He gets this Popeye face and it is hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 22:32:43 GMT -5
Punk/Jericho is my favorite match from that show.
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Post by Some Guy on Mar 7, 2015 22:35:53 GMT -5
Punk vs. Jericho was very disappointing, build-wise and match-wise. Jericho should have won the Rumble and the whole drunk feud was stupid. Punk kind of was in a jam with Lesnar and Rock returning at PPVs, so he couldn't main event, but there were a bunch of times that he was screwed (when Big Johnny main evented over him). Considering during the build to Punk vs Bryan, they had a segment that was literally the ONLY segment in the history of Raw to lose viewers during the overrun (something that was thought to be virtually impossible) I can't blame them for not wanting to put them on last. No one could have expected the crowd to react as positively as they did to the match. They were the main event of Raw ONE time during that entire feud, and it gained the normal amount of viewers during the overrun. This is just a completely blatant lie.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 7, 2015 22:37:30 GMT -5
Considering during the build to Punk vs Bryan, they had a segment that was literally the ONLY segment in the history of Raw to lose viewers during the overrun (something that was thought to be virtually impossible) I can't blame them for not wanting to put them on last. No one could have expected the crowd to react as positively as they did to the match. They were the main event of Raw ONE time during that entire feud, and it gained the normal amount of viewers during the overrun. This is just a completely blatant lie. CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan and Tensai lost 105,000 viewers in the overrun. The next week's main event of John Cena vs Tensai gained 550,000 viewers in the overrun so you can't put all the blame on him either. Look up the ratings breakdown for the May 7th, 2012 Raw and you'll see.
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Post by saintpat on Mar 7, 2015 22:39:26 GMT -5
The whole "which match goes on last" thing in general isn't something that I care about much either way, but Cena-Rock as main event is something a third-grader could figure out ... and that kind of star-power match with Rocky coming back should go last because it overhadows everything else -- and to pretend otherwise wouldn't help whoever was in the last match of the night.
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Post by Some Guy on Mar 7, 2015 22:40:39 GMT -5
They were the main event of Raw ONE time during that entire feud, and it gained the normal amount of viewers during the overrun. This is just a completely blatant lie. CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan and Tensai lost 105,000 viewers in the overrun. The next week's main event of John Cena vs Tensai gained 550,000 viewers in the overrun so you can't put all the blame on him either. Look up the ratings breakdown for the May 7th, 2012 Raw and you'll see. Except that was basically more about building up Lauranitis for the Cena feud than anything else.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 7, 2015 22:43:52 GMT -5
CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan and Tensai lost 105,000 viewers in the overrun. The next week's main event of John Cena vs Tensai gained 550,000 viewers in the overrun so you can't put all the blame on him either. Look up the ratings breakdown for the May 7th, 2012 Raw and you'll see. Except that was basically more about building up Lauranitis for the Cena feud than anything else. Yeah, so one match that's building to Cena vs Laurinaitis gained 550,000 viewers and one building the title match lost 105,000 viewers (and in the overrun). Which big match does it look like the crowd cares more about?
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Post by Instant Classic on Mar 7, 2015 22:56:53 GMT -5
Besides Punk vs Jericho main eventing would have been worse than Triple H vs Jericho going on last.
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Post by Some Guy on Mar 7, 2015 23:03:25 GMT -5
Except that was basically more about building up Lauranitis for the Cena feud than anything else. Yeah, so one match that's building to Cena vs Laurinaitis gained 550,000 viewers and one building the title match lost 105,000 viewers (and in the overrun). Which big match does it look like the crowd cares more about? I meant the Tensai/Bryan match was more about building Lauranitis and by proxy Tensai than it was about building up Punk/Bryan. That's where all the attempted heat was really directed.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 7, 2015 23:05:20 GMT -5
18 seconds aside, WM28 was leagues better than 29. yeah maybe, BUT the world titles had better focus in the mania 29 build imo. Jericho/Punk and 18 seconds just seemed like filler matches for Rock/Cena and HHH/Taker. I think if mania 29 wasn't a series of rematches and Rock/Cena, Punk/taker and Brock/HHH were all facing off the first time then mania 29 would be better than 28. I think Shield vs Orton/Big Show/Sheamus is very underated.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 7, 2015 23:24:19 GMT -5
Yeah, so one match that's building to Cena vs Laurinaitis gained 550,000 viewers and one building the title match lost 105,000 viewers (and in the overrun). Which big match does it look like the crowd cares more about? I meant the Tensai/Bryan match was more about building Lauranitis and by proxy Tensai than it was about building up Punk/Bryan. That's where all the attempted heat was really directed. Not even remotely close. The match was CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan and Lord Tensai in a handicap match to build to CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan at Over The Limit since Laurinaitis still hated CM Punk. I watched every Raw in 2012 so I would know.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Mar 7, 2015 23:25:10 GMT -5
You know how everybody laughed at Cena's angry face during the Embrace the Hate angle? Go back and watch Punk when Laurinaitus puts that dumb DQ stipulation on his match with Jericho just before it starts. He gets this Popeye face and it is hilarious. I don't remember this at all. Punk, do you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 0:27:56 GMT -5
I remember very well because that was my first Mania, and that was the match I wanted to see the most. But they went with the "your family's a bunch of boozehounds" thing too soon, it ended up getting that weird stip, and it had to follow Taker/Trips in the cell. Those 3 things took away from the match, especially the crowd reaction, and I never really got to enjoy it. I still haven't rewatched the PPV broadcast of it to see if it's better.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 8, 2015 0:35:24 GMT -5
I remember very well because that was my first Mania, and that was the match I wanted to see the most. But they went with the "your family's a bunch of boozehounds" thing too soon, it ended up getting that weird stip, and it had to follow Taker/Trips in the cell. Those 3 things took away from the match, especially the crowd reaction, and I never really got to enjoy it. I still haven't rewatched the PPV broadcast of it to see if it's better. The weird stip killed the match dead, imo. Best match of WM28, imo, was the pre-show tag match. That match was f***ing awesome, and the rest of the show was mediocre at best, though I love The Rock and it was cool to see him defeat John Cena.
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Post by DSR on Mar 8, 2015 0:37:16 GMT -5
I loved the Punk/Jericho match. It starts out a little shaky, but the longer it goes on, the better it gets.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 0:40:57 GMT -5
I remember very well because that was my first Mania, and that was the match I wanted to see the most. But they went with the "your family's a bunch of boozehounds" thing too soon, it ended up getting that weird stip, and it had to follow Taker/Trips in the cell. Those 3 things took away from the match, especially the crowd reaction, and I never really got to enjoy it. I still haven't rewatched the PPV broadcast of it to see if it's better. The weird stip killed the match dead, imo. Best match of WM28, imo, was the pre-show tag match. That match was f***ing awesome, and the rest of the show was mediocre at best, though I love The Rock and it was cool to see him defeat John Cena. Yeah it was awful, the absolute wrong story to try and sell to that crowd at the time. They should've had a New Generation style longish technical wrestling match, the kind of that Punk specialized in during his run. But, since they made it such a "I hate you" feud, they couldn't have the technical match they needed to have. It should've just stayed about being the best wrestler, they're big enough personalities to make a basic premise like that work.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Mar 8, 2015 0:41:21 GMT -5
Rock VS Cena 1 I could understand being the main event. There's worse cases of Punk not getting the main event despite being the champ. Best example is him having a title match only to have the main event be John Cena VS Johnny Ace. Now that was BS.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Mar 8, 2015 2:23:12 GMT -5
Cena and Rock had all the business in main eventing. Oh definitely. This is more about crappy timing for CM Punk. Well the fact that Dwayne was main-eventing Wrestlemania and he wasn't makes me sick!
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Post by StormanReigns on Mar 8, 2015 2:37:21 GMT -5
Punk vs Jericho was a fine match The problem was that some people developed this ridiculously unrealistic expectation that it was going to be the 2nd coming of Savage vs Steamboat and when it wasn't, were incredibly disappointed Also, not for one second did anyone believe Jericho was going to win. Not only did everyone know that he was leaving shortly after, he had ZERO momentum going into that match. Lost the Royal Rumble, (kinda) lost at Elimination Chamber prior, and ended up in the main event. Wrestlemania 29 should have included him. Rock/Cena was nothing special the first time, and even less special the 2nd time.
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