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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 8, 2015 3:51:22 GMT -5
Punk vs Jericho was a fine match The problem was that some people developed this ridiculously unrealistic expectation that it was going to be the 2nd coming of Savage vs Steamboat and when it wasn't, were incredibly disappointed Also, not for one second did anyone believe Jericho was going to win. Not only did everyone know that he was leaving shortly after, he had ZERO momentum going into that match. Lost the Royal Rumble, (kinda) lost at Elimination Chamber prior, and ended up in the main event. Wrestlemania 29 should have included him. Rock/Cena was nothing special the first time, and even less special the 2nd time. Considering WrestleMania 28 was the most watched WrestleMania of all time (slightly lower buys than 23 but more viewers) and 29 did over a million viewers as well, I would say that they both were special enough in the eyes of the general public.
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Post by berlynwright on Mar 8, 2015 4:04:22 GMT -5
first few minutes were extremely slow and crowd was not into it all. probably the worst kind of heat WWE title match ever had in WM history.
not surprised they went with personal road since BITW stuff didn't work.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Mar 8, 2015 4:05:49 GMT -5
As far as the actual match goes, it's hurt in the beginning by all that "how's your FATHER?" rubbish but once they get that out of the way it's the best match at 28.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Mar 8, 2015 5:53:13 GMT -5
I didn't like Punk vs. Jericho at all anyway and Rock vs. Cena was a lot better. I can't blame Punk for wanting to main event a WrestleMania though. Ugh...and I thought my stomach this morning was bad
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Post by vinnie245 on Mar 8, 2015 5:57:49 GMT -5
If Punk was going to main event ANY wrestlemania it should of been 27. Then you would of had Punk vs Cena and Miz vs Orton, Miz main eventing a Wrestlemania was a complete JOKE. Would of made more logical sence as well with the Nexus constantly interfering on Punks behalf until Rock comes out towards the end to even the odds. But what do i know...
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Mar 8, 2015 7:09:59 GMT -5
Punk vs. Jericho was very disappointing, build-wise and match-wise. Jericho should have won the Rumble and the whole drunk feud was stupid. Punk kind of was in a jam with Lesnar and Rock returning at PPVs, so he couldn't main event, but there were a bunch of times that he was screwed (when Big Johnny main evented over him). Considering during the build to Punk vs Bryan, they had a segment that was literally the ONLY segment in the history of Raw to lose viewers during the overrun (something that was thought to be virtually impossible) I can't blame them for not wanting to put them on last. No one could have expected the crowd to react as positively as they did to the match.The fact that people in WWE wouldnt expect this while 95% of people on this board could have told you it would more than likely tare the house down, especially compared to Cena vs a non wrestler in a lame ass feud (I cant remember what was really happening in Punk vs Brayn either but Im sure WWE didnt book it to anywhere near its potential), is why so many people cant understand, and are driven crazy by, the way WWE does bizniz.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 8, 2015 7:45:10 GMT -5
Considering during the build to Punk vs Bryan, they had a segment that was literally the ONLY segment in the history of Raw to lose viewers during the overrun (something that was thought to be virtually impossible) I can't blame them for not wanting to put them on last. No one could have expected the crowd to react as positively as they did to the match.The fact that people in WWE wouldnt expect this while 95% of people on this board could have told you it would more than likely tare the house down, especially compared to Cena vs a non wrestler in a lame ass feud (I cant remember what was really happening in Punk vs Brayn either but Im sure WWE didnt book it to anywhere near its potential), is why so many people cant understand, and are driven crazy by, the way WWE does bizniz. You say this in hindsight, but there was 0 reason to care about Punk vs Bryan at Over The Limit outside of the fact that it was a championship match. It was pretty much a "Well we have to defend the title this month so here ya go" match until the AJ stuff started up.
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Post by Adam Black on Mar 8, 2015 8:29:17 GMT -5
The unnecessary last second stipulation they added to the match hurt it. How and why I never really understood how it ruined it especially how inconsequential that was.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 8, 2015 9:45:05 GMT -5
The unnecessary last second stipulation they added to the match hurt it. How and why I never really understood how it ruined it especially how inconsequential that was. Simple. It slowed the match to a complete crawl early and ended up being meaningless since Punk and Jericho pretty much said "F*** it" and didn't even bother to work it in again halfway into the match. Making me wonder what the hell the point of even putting it there in the first place was.
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Post by Adam Black on Mar 8, 2015 11:05:47 GMT -5
How and why I never really understood how it ruined it especially how inconsequential that was. Simple. It slowed the match to a complete crawl early and ended up being meaningless since Punk and Jericho pretty much said "F*** it" and didn't even bother to work it in again halfway into the match. Making me wonder what the hell the point of even putting it there in the first place was. Oh ok but I dunno to me it has nothing to do with it whether it was there or not Punk and Jericho never gonna mesh some people just never do it happens even their Extreme Rules ppv match was underwhelming considering the talent involved plus I did like the stip only because it kinda showed Johnny Ace still hates CM Punk despite their storyline ending.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 8, 2015 12:38:01 GMT -5
1. Punk/Jericho wasn't even that good a match 2. Absolutely nobody is going on after The Rock coming back unless you have Stone Cold Steve Austin returning or somehow managed to pull 80s Hogan through a time portal
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 8, 2015 14:18:31 GMT -5
If Punk was going to main event ANY wrestlemania it should of been 27. Then you would of had Punk vs Cena and Miz vs Orton, Miz main eventing a Wrestlemania was a complete JOKE. Would of made more logical sence as well with the Nexus constantly interfering on Punks behalf until Rock comes out towards the end to even the odds. But what do i know... If you're seriously suggesting a main event featuring run-ins from David Otunga, Husky Harris, Michael McGillicutty, and Mason Ryan, I'd suggest you don't know all that much. That's barely a Raw main event. Keep in mind, Cena steamrolled through the entire New Nexus at the Rumble with ease when it was legal to have a 4-on-1 situation. Are we supposed to believe them to be a threat to him after that? Despite whatever he may say, Punk wasn't even close to having the momentum needed to get into the main event of 27. The entire New Nexus storyline was absolutely awful and nobody was buying it, not even me (and I am one of the biggest Punk marks around), and he had spent the previous couple of months before that on commentary. The New Nexus was just busywork for him, because they didn't have a damn clue what to do with Punk until the build towards the Summer of Punk. If they'd skipped over the entire New Nexus debacle and went with "I'm winning the title at Wrestlemania and leaving the company with it" it would have made a much better main event than Miz vs. Cena, but then you'd still have to find a way to shoehorn Rock into it. In the end the story would have still been Rock vs. Cena, featuring CM Punk. Miz was by far and away the hottest heel in the company at the time, though your mileage may vary over whether that was a good thing or not, and Punk was better off not being involved in that mess of a main event anyway.
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Post by thegame415 on Mar 8, 2015 16:50:24 GMT -5
I actually like wrestlemanka 28,
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Mar 8, 2015 17:08:08 GMT -5
Simple. It slowed the match to a complete crawl early and ended up being meaningless since Punk and Jericho pretty much said "F*** it" and didn't even bother to work it in again halfway into the match. Making me wonder what the hell the point of even putting it there in the first place was. Oh ok but I dunno to me it has nothing to do with it whether it was there or not Punk and Jericho never gonna mesh some people just never do it happens even their Extreme Rules ppv match was underwhelming considering the talent involved plus I did like the stip only because it kinda showed Johnny Ace still hates CM Punk despite their storyline ending. I saw it as Laurinaitis flexing his new powers as GM of Raw and SmackDown to f*** over Punk.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 8, 2015 17:15:51 GMT -5
I wish Punk didn't walk out after Rumble, but it gave us the D. Bry title run and saved us from Batista/Orton, so I can't complain. Punk probably would have ended up with a main event this year or next year if he stuck around given how thin the heel depth chart is when you move beyond Rollins/Rusev, but such is life.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 8, 2015 23:34:16 GMT -5
How and why I never really understood how it ruined it especially how inconsequential that was. Simple. It slowed the match to a complete crawl early and ended up being meaningless since Punk and Jericho pretty much said "F*** it" and didn't even bother to work it in again halfway into the match. Making me wonder what the hell the point of even putting it there in the first place was. I really wish they had stuck with it. I was enjoying the alcoholic dad angle a lot better than them fighting over an extremely subjective "best in teh wurld" title.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Mar 8, 2015 23:59:26 GMT -5
The only thing that hurt Jericho/Punk imo was being sandwiched in between HHH/Taker and Rock/Cena.
WWE clearly ran out of ideas on the "who's the Best in the World?" front so they had to skip ahead to making it personal, although ideally that should have waited until after Mania. But because of that, they had to add the DQ stipulation prior to the match or else it would have been silly having Punk go in there and wrestle Jericho.
It wasn't ideal but it made sense and was entertaining watching Jericho try to rile Punk up. The rest of the match was a great exhibition.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 0:53:11 GMT -5
I'm watching Mania 28 right now, it seems like such innocent times. Old faves are back, new faves are finally getting their shot. Good Feeling, indeed.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Mar 9, 2015 1:00:21 GMT -5
The match was no good anyway, mainly killed by the stip. It would have been a very disappointing main event, rivaled only by HHH/Jericho and HHH/Orton - I'm very glad they went with Cena/Rock, it was the rightful main event.
Jericho and Punk managed to have a fantastic match one month later, so it really wasn't a huge deal in the end. The feud leading into WM between the two was garbage and only picked up after WM itself.
They would have had no chance as a main event of WM.
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