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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 11, 2015 7:33:14 GMT -5
HBK
He was the captain of the Rockers and Jannetty never respected that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 7:40:57 GMT -5
Along with Andre, Sid and Savage, Orndorff had justified issues with Hogan leading to his turn. Pretty much all of Hogan's WWF-era betrayals came about because Hogan was being a dick to them. Why was the Savage turn justified? You're not alone in thinking that but I'm always curious why that's such a shared opinion (other than for typical male reasons for guys being paranoid about their women getting closer with another man). It was portrayed as Savage being completely paranoid and delusional, and that's the way it played out on TV as well (at least to me). If anything, Hogan (in kayfabe) helped Savage a hell of a lot more than hurt him. Saved him from beatdowns, fended off Andre at WM 4 so Savage could win the title, etc. The Sid turn was definitely justified, though.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 11, 2015 7:51:21 GMT -5
I still don't really understand how Kidman was a heel back in 2004. He started using his very dangerous finishing move to try to injure people.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Mar 11, 2015 8:02:46 GMT -5
HBK He was the captain of the Rockers and Jannetty never respected that Plus Marty was a bit of a coward, he tried to escape through the Barber shop window when Shawn finally confronted him about it.
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Post by Wolfman Rose on Mar 11, 2015 8:05:57 GMT -5
HBK He was the captain of the Rockers and Jannetty never respected that Plus Marty was a bit of coward, he tried to escape through the Barber shop window when Shawn finally confronted him about it. Will you stop!
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Post by comahan on Mar 11, 2015 8:08:04 GMT -5
I liked Foley's turn in early 98. Turned on the fans and on Austin because while he was getting the crap kicked out of him in a cage, the fans chanted for Austin instead of him. He had shown up as Mankind, and fans asked why he wasn't Cactus Jack. He started being Dude Love, and fans asked why he wasn't Cactus Jack. Then, when he gave them Cactus Jack, the payoff was him lying there helpless as they chanted someone elses name. He took Cactus away from the fans and showed back up as Dude Love to ally with McMahon and take the title from the guy whose name they chanted over his. Pretty cool story imo.
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Post by Adam Black on Mar 11, 2015 8:10:45 GMT -5
I still don't really understand how Kidman was a heel back in 2004. He started using his very dangerous finishing move to try to injure people. When he tried to stop using it the crowd and the commentators went "c'mon stop being a pussy" and when he did go thru they'd go "YOU MONSTER" WTF WAS HE SUPPOSE TO DO??
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Post by the2ndevil on Mar 11, 2015 9:42:18 GMT -5
After reading the SmackDown spoilers, Roman Reigns, when it finally happens.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 11, 2015 10:04:58 GMT -5
Stephanie in late 1999. You just don't use your daughter as a puppet/sacrifical lamb to a Satanic devil man for the purpose of trolling a guy and expect to get away with it. That is the supreme example. Now if we were supposed to be mad about what she did to Test, that would be understandable, but it was about her turning her back on Vince. Trish screwing (or not screwing) Jericho. He was an asshole with that Canadian Dollar bet But she aligned herself with Christian, who Jericho made the bet with, Christian was supposed to nail Lita (Trish's best friend), and oh yeah Christian put Trish in the Liontamer before Mania.
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Post by bob on Mar 11, 2015 10:28:16 GMT -5
Along with Andre, Sid and Savage, Orndorff had justified issues with Hogan leading to his turn. Pretty much all of Hogan's WWF-era betrayals came about because Hogan was being a dick to them. Why was the Savage turn justified? You're not alone in thinking that but I'm always curious why that's such a shared opinion (other than for typical male reasons for guys being paranoid about their women getting closer with another man). It was portrayed as Savage being completely paranoid and delusional, and that's the way it played out on TV as well (at least to me). If anything, Hogan (in kayfabe) helped Savage a hell of a lot more than hurt him. Saved him from beatdowns, fended off Andre at WM 4 so Savage could win the title, etc. The Sid turn was definitely justified, though. www.freakinawesomenetwork.net/2011/07/justifying-evil-randy-savage-attacks-hulk-hogan/
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 11, 2015 10:36:56 GMT -5
I liked Foley's turn in early 98. Turned on the fans and on Austin because while he was getting the crap kicked out of him in a cage, the fans chanted for Austin instead of him. He had shown up as Mankind, and fans asked why he wasn't Cactus Jack. He started being Dude Love, and fans asked why he wasn't Cactus Jack. Then, when he gave them Cactus Jack, the payoff was him lying there helpless as they chanted someone elses name. He took Cactus away from the fans and showed back up as Dude Love to ally with McMahon and take the title from the guy whose name they chanted over his. Pretty cool story imo. From WrestleMania 14 til right around WrestleMania 15, the booking of Mick Foley was absolute brilliance
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 11:05:38 GMT -5
I still don't really understand how Kidman was a heel back in 2004. He refused to entertain the fans with his potentially dangerous finisher that had knocked out Chavo Guerrero! What a jerk for thinking of his opponents' welfare and not the WWE fans!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 11:11:39 GMT -5
Trish screwing (or not screwing) Jericho. He was an asshole with that Canadian Dollar bet But she aligned herself with Christian, who Jericho made the bet with, Christian was supposed to nail Lita (Trish's best friend), and oh yeah Christian put Trish in the Liontamer before Mania. Yeah, but it turned out Trish liked it rough, so we can forgive him for that...
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Post by sebulba on Mar 11, 2015 11:23:28 GMT -5
You mean the guy who pretended to be a neo Nazi and blew up/robbed banks? Sure he improved as a person then did another heel turn, but still. Considering some of Raylan's questionable behaviour in his pursuit of Crowder, does that make him a tweener? While he's not a heel, his behaviour isn't that of a classic babyface. Also, does that make Avery Markham Vince?
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Post by mcstoklasa on Mar 11, 2015 11:24:34 GMT -5
I'm finding it hard to justify Austin's heel turn
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Post by Aceorton on Mar 11, 2015 14:24:58 GMT -5
Here's a never-discussed one: The Headbangers in '98.
They were babyface champions for a cup of coffee in '97, and then everyone just sort of forgot about them. Meanwhile, there were arguably no bigger, more juvenile dicks in late-'97/early-'98 than the New Age Outlaws. Then the Outlaws joined DX and suddenly were insanely over but doing the same obnoxious stuff. The Headbangers attacked them with a JVC Kaboom Box (which would have been a massive babyface moment just six months earlier), then mocked them (poorly) in the weeks afterward, and everyone basically shit all over the Headbangers, who were relegated to putting over the Oddities and 60-year-old George Steele about a month later.
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on Mar 11, 2015 17:39:55 GMT -5
I'm finding it hard to justify Austin's heel turn The wrestlemania 17 one? I looked at it as Stone Gold's insurance to make sure he won the championship. While the Rock had momentum coming off his win at No Way Out against Angle for the title, Austin lost his Three Stages of Hell match against Trips. People can look at it as maybe someone who did his damnedest and it wasn't enough, AND it was against the man who planned his attempted vehicular manslaughter. If he couldn't get it done against him, how was he gonna beat the Rock, who had youth, no injuries, momentum, and the crowd on his side. Sure he was gonna have home crowd advantage, but so did the 1993 Phoenix Suns when they went against the Chicago Bulls. Which brings us to Vinnie Mac. Sure the years before he hated his guts. He would have done anything to get at Vince. But Stone Cold would do anything for the WWF title. Stone Cold was willing to do anything to get that title and beat the Rock. He even said it in his famous sit down with the Rock: "I need to beat you Rock. I need to beat you more than you can ever imagine." On that note, no way can the Rock ever imagine Stone Cold aligning himself with Vince McMahon. Sorry if it was long folks. Lol just my two cents
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Post by Lupin the Third on Mar 11, 2015 17:59:02 GMT -5
Surprisingly hasn't come up yet: CM Punk in 2012. The Rock makes a challenge to the WWE Champion, whoever it is, at the 2013 Royal Rumble- and any reigning WWE Champion has a good reason to believe they won't lose that belt, so at the time, The Rock is really challenging Punk- and expecting whoever the champ is to take it kindly that he's gotten a title shot by fiat and expects the champ to lay down for him solely because he's THE ROCK. CM Punk merely answered The Rock's challenge- and then instead of being seen as the champion answering someone who just challenged him, is suddenly accused of turning his back on the fans for daring to not hand the belt to The Rock by virtue of his being The Rock. That made me dislike Jerry even more than before. Saying Punk turned his back on the fans? Why? Because the Rock was talking shit, and Punk decided to bite back?
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Mar 11, 2015 20:16:15 GMT -5
Owen Hart. He was dead the f*** on right when he told Bret that he had to do was JUST TAG! But nooooooo! Bret has to waste energy on a BAD KNEE no less to apply the Sharpshooter when it would have been so much easier to just roll over and tag Owen in. Owen had every right to be pissed off and kick Bret's leg. (out of his leg)
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Mar 11, 2015 20:20:19 GMT -5
Owen... because Bret was being so damn selfish!
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