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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 23:02:44 GMT -5
I understand how opinions work but calling Cody Rhodes mediocre is just flat out wrong. Elaborate for me. I find everything about him closer to mediocre than good. If I was to describe a single wrestler as "Vanilla" it would be Cody Rhodes. He's alright at everything. But he just doesn't stand out or above at anything at all. First, to analyze, we need to know your favorite WWE worker.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Mar 21, 2015 23:07:38 GMT -5
Elaborate for me. I find everything about him closer to mediocre than good. If I was to describe a single wrestler as "Vanilla" it would be Cody Rhodes. He's alright at everything. But he just doesn't stand out or above at anything at all. First, to analyze, we need to know your favorite WWE worker. Seth Rollins or Daniel Bryan. Depends on the day.
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Post by BigBadZ on Mar 21, 2015 23:12:29 GMT -5
Stardust freed Jafar from the black lamp in Aladdin 2??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 23:44:16 GMT -5
First, to analyze, we need to know your favorite WWE worker. Seth Rollins or Daniel Bryan. Depends on the day. Two guys who are great in-ring, with fairly pedestrian promo styles. Rhodes is the opposite. Serviceable in-ring, but great at infusing his promos and persona with reasonable, intelligent gimmickry when actually given something to do. Few people could actually do things with Dashing, Undashing or Stardust, but lo and behold, he can.
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Post by RIHT on Mar 21, 2015 23:48:16 GMT -5
I like Stardust, but when it's all said and done, I, and potentially many other fans, would rather see Cody Rhodes. Honestly, the psychotic Stardust thing they were going for during the Goldust "feud" was really cool, and I think it should have translated into morphing Cody Rhodes with this insane, devious gimmick. Granted, I think Cody can also play the face really well, I just feel like Cody is a better look than Stardust (even when he tried to change it up).
Maybe think of it like The Undertaker; the Big Evil gimmick was cool, but in the end, it's the iconic Deadman gimmick that's best about him. Anyways, I hope WWE actually utilized Cody, and personally, while I think changing him back would be for the better, doing something with the Stardust gimmick would be a good move, too.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 21, 2015 23:50:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I've always hated Cody as Stardust. Cody has tons of talent and has really grown into a great wrestler over the years. That said he can't turn everything into gold. He had a real shot to go somewhere with Disfigured Cody Rhodes and hell even him just having a mustache was getting over. Shame, WWE treats Cody lie TNA used to treat Christopher Daniels. As an after thought.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 23:57:34 GMT -5
Stardust doesn't suck, the lack of story sucks.
Anything can suck if it's handled like Stardust. Steve Austin would have bombed if he had no storyline, jobber entrances, and 3 seconds of camera time before the match started.
When he get's an entrance he does...what? Holds his hands together and then lets move on to his opponent, Yup okay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 0:05:03 GMT -5
Stardust is just a bad idea from launch point, because you're taking a guy who's multiple times over managed to forge his own identity separate from his family and retooling him to just be a mediocre ripoff of his brother, while said brother's still around at that. To his credit Cody's tried his damnedest to make it work, but it just doesn't and they need to drop it. They really had some momentum for the guy when he was 'fired' by The Authority. Maybe just have Hunter or Vince berate the guy on TV, have him off TV for a few months, reintroduce him as a lackey and do a sloooow face build? Only problem there is that they already tried that several years ago with Legacy. He and Ted spent months slowly building up to a point where they finally got tired of taking shit from Orton, and then when it finally happened... the fans sided with Orton. And then he beat them in a handicap match at Wrestlemania, which kind of put a halt to any possible rise he may have gotten from the whole thing. I dunno. I don't think they ever intended for Cody or Ted to be cheered in Legacy, just because any time the crowd actually started backing them - like when Ted walked out on them briefly or when Orton laid out Dusty - WWE proceeded to try and cover it up. The big example being when they dubbed over, "Cody! Cody!" chants for the latter with ones for Cena in replays. Also the Mania match was a triple threat, they actually won a handicap match with him just before it.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Mar 22, 2015 0:05:13 GMT -5
Seth Rollins or Daniel Bryan. Depends on the day. Two guys who are great in-ring, with fairly pedestrian promo styles. Rhodes is the opposite. Serviceable in-ring, but great at infusing his promos and persona with reasonable, intelligent gimmickry when actually given something to do. Few people could actually do things with Dashing, Undashing or Stardust, but lo and behold, he can. Yet none of those characters ever did anything for, or had enough staying power to be good for a length of time. My favorite version of Cody was Dashing, because his goofy Grooming Tips. Silly, but harmless. certainly not main event. Nothing Cody has done, despite being able to pull it off, make it work, or what have you has done anything for me. All I remember from Undashing phase was the mask and HATING (not the good heel kind, either) the paper bags. Then he had a mustache. Then Brotherhood, which I liked, because Goldust is awesome. Then Stardust. And I don't dislike Cody. If he hovers around the midcard to upper midcard, he's right where he belongs. And that's not a bad thing. Not everyone's a main eventer. He can be this generation's Christian.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 0:23:39 GMT -5
Two guys who are great in-ring, with fairly pedestrian promo styles. Rhodes is the opposite. Serviceable in-ring, but great at infusing his promos and persona with reasonable, intelligent gimmickry when actually given something to do. Few people could actually do things with Dashing, Undashing or Stardust, but lo and behold, he can. Yet none of those characters ever did anything for, or had enough staying power to be good for a length of time. My favorite version of Cody was Dashing, because his goofy Grooming Tips. Silly, but harmless. certainly not main event. Nothing Cody has done, despite being able to pull it off, make it work, or what have you has done anything for me. All I remember from Undashing phase was the mask and HATING (not the good heel kind, either) the paper bags. Then he had a mustache. Then Brotherhood, which I liked, because Goldust is awesome. Then Stardust. And I don't dislike Cody. If he hovers around the midcard to upper midcard, he's right where he belongs. And that's not a bad thing. Not everyone's a main eventer. He can be this generation's Christian. What makes you think none of them had any staying power? Like, tell me what about them gave them limited shelf lives, other than a lack of spotlight. Remember the formation of the Rhodes Brothers? After months of doing nothing of value, Cody got a f***in' awesome reaction just for being threatened with the prospect of losing his job by Hunter Hearst, and this was before Dustin got involved. The crowd even bought him against the nigh-indomitable Shield, who had practically been main eventers since 2012. He's good enough to be a featured player at least once in a while. Nearly any worker worth his salt can main event and get good reactions given the proper build and storyline.
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Post by StormanReigns on Mar 22, 2015 1:24:47 GMT -5
Stardust is entertaining, but the OP is right, the character gets no reaction.
15 months ago, Cody Rhodes was one of the most over faces, and the WWE just destroyed all of his momentum.
No one else in the WWE has made chicken salad, out of chicken crap better than Cody.
-Dashing gimmick was amazing
-UnDashing was suberb
-RhodeScholars was 2 people they paired together out of lazyness, that got over.
-He got a mustache over
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Mar 22, 2015 1:30:39 GMT -5
Goldust was much better at selling the crazy painted character. It got over partially because people weren't used to seeing anything like it back then. It was enthralling. Nowadays people see Goldust and Stardust as just nutjobs in paint. It would take some very clever writing, and a new direction for his character.... but it's wwe so forget that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 1:35:15 GMT -5
Let's have a look... is [img src=" " alt=" "] ... No, sorry OP, I just don't see it.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 22, 2015 1:41:44 GMT -5
They really had some momentum for the guy when he was 'fired' by The Authority. Maybe just have Hunter or Vince berate the guy on TV, have him off TV for a few months, reintroduce him as a lackey and do a sloooow face build? Only problem there is that they already tried that several years ago with Legacy. He and Ted spent months slowly building up to a point where they finally got tired of taking shit from Orton, and then when it finally happened... the fans sided with Orton. And then he beat them in a handicap match at Wrestlemania, which kind of put a halt to any possible rise he may have gotten from the whole thing. That was the WWE's fault for taking too damn long to pull the trigger, since there were multiple occasions where the fans would've sided with Cody and/or Ted, but for whatever reason, they just wouldn't go through with it. When they finally did do it after waiting to long, that's when fans just decided to side with Orton. Plus, it was a triple threat match at WM, not handicapped.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Mar 22, 2015 1:53:23 GMT -5
Stardust is just another example of WWE refusing to drop a gimmick when it just clearly isn't working.
I like Cody Rhodes a lot, but this dude's entire career has basically been relegated to the app and the reactions he gets are on Del Rio levels of awful. Let it go, I want to wear my Dashing shirt in peace.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Mar 22, 2015 5:08:15 GMT -5
When you diss Stardust, you diss yourself. Hay-ell yee-ah!
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Post by Dave the Dave on Mar 22, 2015 5:36:08 GMT -5
I don't think it is ALL creative's fault to the people saying that.
I liked the gimmick but as soon as the mother f***er started hissing like a cat I was done. You're trying to hard to say, “Guys look I'm wacky" at that point.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Mar 22, 2015 6:14:13 GMT -5
I don't think it is ALL creative's fault to the people saying that. I liked the gimmick but as soon as the mother f***er started hissing like a cat I was done. You're trying to hard to say, “Guys look I'm wacky" at that point. I guess you really hate Goldust when he bites at people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 6:25:17 GMT -5
What is the stardust gimmick?
With Goldust it was to play mind games with his opponent, be it by using ambiguous sexuality, weirdness or just acting goofy to lure his rivals into a false sense of security...a very underrated character who changed with the times which could have been a main eventer if Dustin hadn't had his demons.
Stardust is that he likes stars....and space....and does a weird laugh now and then.....
Bring back Dr Doom Cody or the Cody who made the big show look like a clown please!
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 22, 2015 7:50:43 GMT -5
I like Stardust, but when it's all said and done, I, and potentially many other fans, would rather see Cody Rhodes. Honestly, the psychotic Stardust thing they were going for during the Goldust "feud" was really cool, and I think it should have translated into morphing Cody Rhodes with this insane, devious gimmick. Granted, I think Cody can also play the face really well, I just feel like Cody is a better look than Stardust (even when he tried to change it up). Maybe think of it like The Undertaker; the Big Evil gimmick was cool, but in the end, it's the iconic Deadman gimmick that's best about him. Anyways, I hope WWE actually utilized Cody, and personally, while I think changing him back would be for the better, doing something with the Stardust gimmick would be a good move, too. I restate my case that Dean Ambrose should be the one to win the IC belt at WM-and his first feud for the belt should be with Stardust. Move Dean back toward the "lunatic fringe" character, and let Stardust become a bit more maniacal. Basically two solid ring workers doing a crazy vs crazy feud.
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