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Post by Unaffiliated on Mar 26, 2015 15:52:14 GMT -5
If true, this really is the worst possible conclusion.
Reminds me of an Indonesia to Singapore flight almost 20 years ago, except that plane went down very very quickly and the cockpit recorder had been deactivated (not known if deliberate). One investigation concluded it was murder-suicide, while a separate investigation said it was inconclusive. I guess this time the cockpit recording does provide more conclusive evidence, but it's still horrible either way... whether one person really did choose to kill 100+ random people along with himself, or if he was falsely accused of doing so.
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Post by BR329 on Mar 26, 2015 16:01:18 GMT -5
If true, this really is the worst possible conclusion. Reminds me of an Indonesia to Singapore flight almost 20 years ago, except that plane went down very very quickly and the cockpit recorder had been deactivated (not known if deliberate). One investigation concluded it was murder-suicide, while a separate investigation said it was inconclusive. I guess this time the cockpit recording does provide more conclusive evidence, but it's still horrible either way... whether one person really did choose to kill 100+ random people along with himself, or if he was falsely accused of doing so. Yup that would be SilkAir 185. A lot of similarities to that flight and Germanwings 9525. Here's the Air Crash Investigation episode of it. |
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Post by mcstoklasa on Mar 26, 2015 16:05:45 GMT -5
Just unbelievable.
Of course a plane crash, when attributed to mechanical failure/pilot failure, terrible weather and storms, lightning, act of god whatever is just awful.
But surely knowing that the plane was totally fine, and the weather was fine and simply.. the co pilot deliberately crashed the plane (containing their family members) must be so hard to take.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 27, 2015 6:37:31 GMT -5
I think the fastest and easiest to implement change that will come out of this is likely a worldwide mandate of the American rule that there must always be two persons in the cockpit at all times. As in, a pilot goes out to take a leak, a flight attendant has to come into the cockpit while he's away. Not saying that'll completely prevent any sort of situation with a mentally disturbed pilot; people have said "What's stopping him from just killing the FA then?", but at the same time, it's arguably a lot bigger of a mental jump to directly murder someone with your hands than to just push down on the flight stick. That and this also effectively guarantees that we'll never, ever see single-pilot flying of airliners, which I've always thought was a profoundly stupid idea anyway. I imagine that while they could kill the flight attendant, they would be planning on doing that, anyway. This is at least an extra step or two to that process. |
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Post by Sparvid on Mar 27, 2015 6:57:48 GMT -5
A guy I know who flies business trips all the time posted on Facebook today: "Flew home from London last night. At one point the captain exited the cockpit, slammed the door shut and went to the toilet. Hmm..."
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 27, 2015 9:57:09 GMT -5
I guess that they're going to have to have a 3rd air safety person in the cockpit at all times now. Which is probably something that they should have done long ago. There's too many innocent lives at risk for some psycho to crash a plane because he is the epitome of an douchebrella. From my understanding the FAA Rules are if the pilot or copilot leaves the cockpit the Flight Attendant must be present. (Granted the FAA means f*** all to a German plane but still) edit: Beaten to it, I knew I should have read the thread... the point stands.  |
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Post by Burst on Mar 27, 2015 10:56:49 GMT -5
The most aggravating thing that I'm already seeing is that people are using the suggestion that the copilot may have been depressed/may have been treated for depression as an outlet for the tired old PSYCHIATRISTS ARE EVIL and ANTIDEPRESSANT DRUGS ACTUALLY CAUSE DEPRESSION argument that's almost as toxic as the antivax group.
Yes, let's go ahead and make the stigma of mental illness even worse just because we can't be assed to actually get informed about how it works and just assume that there's a big pharma conspiracy to keep us all doped up, blah blah blah de fricking blah.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 14:33:11 GMT -5
In all this sadness, it is perhaps good to post something that evokes a bit of a smile:
A German user on Twitter posted the following:
"Yesterday morning I entered a Germanwings flight from Hamburg to Cologne with mixed feelings. But then the pilot not only greeted every passenger personally, but made a speech before taking off. Not from the cockpit, but for all visible from the flight cabin. He talked about how the tragedy affected him and the crew. About how the crew has a sinking feeling but that everyone is here on his/her own will. And about that he has a family, that the crew has family and that he will do everything to be with them this evening. It was very silent. And then the whole aircraft applauded. I would like to thank the pilot for understanding what everyone thought. And for making it possible that at least I had a good feeling for the flight that followed."
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Mar 27, 2015 20:55:38 GMT -5
The situation made me angry. I'm sorry if it came off that I'm not sympathetic with people with severe depression. I really do sympathise. I get bad depression sometimes, I can admit that.
But I always try hard to make sure it does not hurt the ones around me.
But not everyone can do that. So if you suffer I just want to encourage you to google search your local help line and talk to someone.
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