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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on Mar 26, 2015 12:49:41 GMT -5
I've watched Kevin Owens in NXT for his entire run. He's very agile for his size, tells a very good story in the ring, and is one of the better guys going.
But as for a leap to WWE? It's not believable. Not even in the slightest. He looks like he has not taken care of his body for one second. Couldn't give him directions to a gym if you programmed his GPS for him. He looks like a fat bully plucked out of high school.
Put him in the ring with John Cena, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, Seth Rollins, or any number of established WWE Superstars, and he looks like the odd man out.
Say what you want about Mankind, who was not a bodybuilder at all, but he is a unique case, with a gimmick that doesn't need him to be physically fit. One of the greatest brawlers, "stuntmen" to quote Ric Flair, and one of the best in terms of ring psychology. Owens has none of that... yet. Does he need a gimmick? Maybe.
He cannot be this character in WWE, or he will be doomed to fail.
I really want to like Owens, but the overall believability is really getting in the way. It works for NXT, but have serious reservations at the next rung of the ladder.
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Post by Abdullah on Mar 26, 2015 12:55:21 GMT -5
Funny how that works.
Outside of Zayn, I think Owens will have the most success of the NXT guys. He has charisma for days and is an infinitely better wrestler, as well as being a being a more believable character, than the similarly rotund Bray Wyatt.
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Post by Clawley Race on Mar 26, 2015 12:56:38 GMT -5
He won't ever be a "body guy" like Cena's last WM opponent or Taker's current WM opponent.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Mar 26, 2015 12:57:38 GMT -5
Yeah, Wyatt kind of shoots down the “fat boy" thing.
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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on Mar 26, 2015 12:58:21 GMT -5
Wyatt is a fleshed out gimmick as well, mostly eliminating the need to be chiseled out or fit.
Owens' gimmick is that he's trying to provide for his family and win, face intentions on a heel character. Nothing supernatural, nothing super psychological. Very straight forward.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 26, 2015 12:58:33 GMT -5
Ya'll nailed it. I'm not seeing how Owens is any less believable than Bray who is one of the top guys in the company.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 13:00:40 GMT -5
Since wrestling grew to prominance, there have always been big, chubby guys wrecking shop. You can see it in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and now. Kevin Owens is another one but notice he can actually wrestle, great speed for his size, can tell a story and he "looks" like a badass. He looks like the kind of guy you see at a bar who you wouldn't want to f*** with.
What it boils down to is someone like Kevin Owens is someone you'd legit see out in the open beating someone's ass. Sure, WWE has all these bodybuilders but be honest, do you see these guys throwing down? Nah.
Owens is that dude.
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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on Mar 26, 2015 13:01:18 GMT -5
Ya'll nailed it. I'm not seeing how Owens is any less believable than Bray who is one of the top guys in the company. Again, Wyatt is a gimmick. Mankind was a gimmick. What's Owens' gimmick? Put him in a ring with HHH, fat jokes for days.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 13:01:38 GMT -5
Appropo of nothing, but I love that Seth Rollins was thrown in as one of the established guys in WWE.
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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on Mar 26, 2015 13:02:50 GMT -5
Since wrestling grew to prominance, there have always been big, chubby guys wrecking shop. You can see it in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and now. Kevin Owens is another one but notice he can actually wrestle, great speed for his side, can tell a story and he "looks" like a badass. He looks like the kind of guy you see at a bar who you wouldn't want to f*** with. What it boils down to is someone like Kevin Owens is something you'd legit see out in the open beating someone's ass. Sure, WWE has all these bodybuilders but be honest, do you see these guys throwing down? Nah. Owens is that dude. He is doesn't care about his body, why should anybody care about paying to see this guy? He looks more high school bully than "badass", don't quite get that.
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Post by Clawley Race on Mar 26, 2015 13:04:10 GMT -5
Ya'll nailed it. I'm not seeing how Owens is any less believable than Bray who is one of the top guys in the company. Again, Wyatt is a gimmick. Mankind was a gimmick. What's Owens' gimmick? Put him in a ring with HHH, fat jokes for days. And he'd be over as hell, so he'd be fine. The bigger problem with his body/size would be pointing out how small he is compared to other ass-kickers like Brock...even though everyone is...
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Mar 26, 2015 13:05:07 GMT -5
He's a bowlie. Just a big tough guy who wants to kick ass. Basically a chubby Lesnar.
Why do you need to be in shape to be tough in a fake sport? You don't even need to in real sports. See: Roy Nelson.
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Post by Abdullah on Mar 26, 2015 13:05:19 GMT -5
Ya'll nailed it. I'm not seeing how Owens is any less believable than Bray who is one of the top guys in the company. Again, Wyatt is a gimmick. Mankind was a gimmick. What's Owens' gimmick? Put him in a ring with HHH, fat jokes for days. The more believable gimmicks tend to get over and stay over more than the cartoonish ones these days. That's fairly clear to see.
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Post by Stuart Baggs The Brand on Mar 26, 2015 13:05:46 GMT -5
Five years ago I'm sure people would have said the same about Daniel Bryan and Seth Rollins. They don't fit in, how are we ever going to believe they could go toe to toe with the likes of Cena and Brock?
But Bryan and Seth fit in perfectly and why? All because they're booked strongly and they have a huge amount of talent to back it up.
People don't care about size or how someone looks. If they're presented well and can get in the ring and blow peoples minds with the stuff they're doing, they'll do fine.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 26, 2015 13:25:15 GMT -5
You're right, how could anyone buy a talent, agile fat guy? It's not like one of those has ever main evented Wrestlemania or anything.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Mar 26, 2015 13:29:00 GMT -5
Since wrestling grew to prominance, there have always been big, chubby guys wrecking shop. You can see it in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and now. Kevin Owens is another one but notice he can actually wrestle, great speed for his side, can tell a story and he "looks" like a badass. He looks like the kind of guy you see at a bar who you wouldn't want to f*** with. What it boils down to is someone like Kevin Owens is something you'd legit see out in the open beating someone's ass. Sure, WWE has all these bodybuilders but be honest, do you see these guys throwing down? Nah. Owens is that dude. He is doesn't care about his body, why should anybody care about paying to see this guy? He looks more high school bully than "badass", don't quite get that. I'm not paying to see a bodybuilding competition. I don't care what he looks like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 13:32:05 GMT -5
Since wrestling grew to prominance, there have always been big, chubby guys wrecking shop. You can see it in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and now. Kevin Owens is another one but notice he can actually wrestle, great speed for his side, can tell a story and he "looks" like a badass. He looks like the kind of guy you see at a bar who you wouldn't want to f*** with. What it boils down to is someone like Kevin Owens is something you'd legit see out in the open beating someone's ass. Sure, WWE has all these bodybuilders but be honest, do you see these guys throwing down? Nah. Owens is that dude. He is doesn't care about his body, why should anybody care about paying to see this guy? He looks more high school bully than "badass", don't quite get that. Your idea of a badass is screwed. A badass isn't dependent upon body type. If you look in the dictionary, the definition of badass is "a tough, uncompromising, or intimidating person" and given that, Owens is a badass. With that said, a badass could be a good guy doesn't look like a bodybuilder and yet he can move well, do all these wrestling techniques and he's still amazingly great in the ring. That's a badass. A badass could be someone you'd see in a bar who you wouldn't want to mess with as if they're a regular guy and yet he's still great enough to jump in the ring with these amazing athletes and kick their ass. That's a badass. A fat guy who can move great, is a cold-hearted menace who's an amazing wrestler is more of a threat than an agile guy who looks great who can't do anything like that. I don't see how Owens isn't a badass.
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Post by blake6905 on Mar 26, 2015 13:38:48 GMT -5
I've watched Kevin Owens in NXT for his entire run. He's very agile for his size, tells a very good story in the ring, and is one of the better guys going. But as for a leap to WWE? It's not believable. Not even in the slightest. He looks like he has not taken care of his body for one second. Couldn't give him directions to a gym if you programmed his GPS for him. He looks like a fat bully plucked out of high school. Put him in the ring with John Cena, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, Seth Rollins, or any number of established WWE Superstars, and he looks like the odd man out. Say what you want about Mankind, who was not a bodybuilder at all, but he is a unique case, with a gimmick that doesn't need him to be physically fit. One of the greatest brawlers, "stuntmen" to quote Ric Flair, and one of the best in terms of ring psychology. Owens has none of that... yet. Does he need a gimmick? Maybe. He cannot be this character in WWE, or he will be doomed to fail. I really want to like Owens, but the overall believability is really getting in the way. It works for NXT, but have serious reservations at the next rung of the ladder. As much as I wanna disagree with you because Steen was my favorite in the Indys, I cant. I don't see this guy coming onto the main roster wearing his black Tee and getting over. I also don't see Vince liking this generic Indy look either ... Maybe put him in a group or tag with some kind of ruthless gimmick?
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Mar 26, 2015 14:16:40 GMT -5
So, what you're saying is that even though you recognize Kevin's talents all around, you can't get past the fact that he's a big dude.
Maybe Vince McMahon is right about the audience.
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Post by Bobeddy on Mar 26, 2015 15:50:20 GMT -5
The whole schtick with Bryan for nearly the last two years now has been "he doesn't fit the mold therefore he's not good enough" and him proving them wrong because of his ability.
Ability trumps appearance. Owens has the ability.
But it'll take devotion by the bookers to not give up on the character two months in and turn him into a dancing fat guy. And the fact that Owens seems to be one of HHH's guys that he's grooming for the future, chances are he'll be given a fair whack to get over.
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