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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 2, 2015 9:13:33 GMT -5
This is what some people forget about the concept of a fighting champion... They usually have to win so they can KEEP being a fighting champion, otherwise you're just playing hot potato with the belt again and we're back to square one. And I could guarantee you that if all these matches went to countout or DQ finishes so that nobody gets pinned or submitted, that wouldn't be very popular either. So, YES... Cena's going to win the vast majority of these matches and win them cleanly. But as long as these aren't squashes, and more along the lines of Cena v Ambrose on RAW in terms of competitiveness, I'm fine with it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 9:15:52 GMT -5
Cena wrestles one midcarder, then the following week issues an open challenge and Randy Orton answers.
Sure you've seen Cena/Orton but not for the US TITLE! ONCE IN A LIFETIME!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 2, 2015 13:29:58 GMT -5
I think it depends very much on how they do this. If Cena has straightforward, competitive matches for the next few months, it'll be great, and exactly what the title needs. If every time he faces someone "too low" on the ladder we get matches like Sandow's cash-in though, it'll do nobody any favours. For the moment though, I'm cautiously all for this. Sandow's cash in was a great match. It's just the follow up that sucked. "Too low" is what this open challenge thing needs. "Bigger" opponents should be saved for PPVs.
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Post by Secret Clown on Apr 2, 2015 13:45:23 GMT -5
I think you can do the weekly defences for a little while but then he has to be in a feud over the US title for the PPV otherwise it will get a bit samey. Whether he can still do the defences while in feud (opponent watching his matches, attacking him after them etc.)
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 2, 2015 14:17:45 GMT -5
I think it depends very much on how they do this. If Cena has straightforward, competitive matches for the next few months, it'll be great, and exactly what the title needs. If every time he faces someone "too low" on the ladder we get matches like Sandow's cash-in though, it'll do nobody any favours. For the moment though, I'm cautiously all for this. Sandow's cash in was a great match. It's just the follow up that sucked. That tends to be what happens in Modern WWE to matches where the loser looks good coming out of... instead of following up with them actually doing something it usually leads to them jobbing constantly.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 2, 2015 15:37:23 GMT -5
I think it depends very much on how they do this. If Cena has straightforward, competitive matches for the next few months, it'll be great, and exactly what the title needs. If every time he faces someone "too low" on the ladder we get matches like Sandow's cash-in though, it'll do nobody any favours. For the moment though, I'm cautiously all for this. Sandow's cash in was a great match. It's just the follow up that sucked. "Too low" is what this open challenge thing needs. "Bigger" opponents should be saved for PPVs. It was a good match; I mean the fact that to try and make Cena look impressive and "believably" give Sandow "a chance", they had an injured John Cena beaten with a chair for like ten minutes and then went on to have a competitive match where Cena still won, making Sandow look like a total goober. I agree with you that they need lower guys to look good against him, but it has to be competitive without shenanigans to try and make it look like a more even playing field.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 2, 2015 15:49:49 GMT -5
I think this can work if Cena puts on competitive matches. Which he is VERY capable of. Honestly, some of my favorite WWE matches the last few years have been Cena matches where he's won clean, but were really back and forth as opposed to the "gets ass kicked, Hulks up, moves of doom, AA/STF, and win" formula he gets booked into. It'd also be a great way to build up the credibility of the US Title again after it's basically been a fashion accessory the last few years where long reigns pretty much meant nothing as it was barely defended by an active champion (as opposed to Lesnar's WWE World Championship reign, where he made occasional appearances as a special attraction).
It just has to be booked right. He can have some squash defenses here and there, like I would never expect someone like Adam Rose, Zack Ryder, or Heath Slater to stand a chance against him. But guys like Ambrose, Ziggler, or even Kofi or Big E I'd expect good matches out of. Hell, a great way to give Mizdow a really good rub would to have a real competitive match with a jealous Miz causing the DQ when it looks like Mizdow is about to win.
I'm cautiously optimistic about Cena and Bryan as the midcard champs. I think both championship reigns have major potential to turn the midcard into the status it had in the Attitude Era, but it's going to take a lot of work to get it back to that point. And WWE certainly hasn't earned blind faith in this endeavor.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:26:30 GMT -5
Cena's also getting a brand new belt.
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Post by Instant Classic on Apr 2, 2015 17:29:15 GMT -5
Cena's also getting a brand new belt. Guess the IC and US titles stay separate.
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 2, 2015 17:39:30 GMT -5
Funny they'd make a new belt when Cena has the new shirt with the current one.
If they do get a new one, and it stays past Cena, then the only title left with a nameplate (unless they changed something with the logo switch) will be the Divas championship.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Apr 2, 2015 17:49:37 GMT -5
I hope they go with a classic version (take one of the NWA/WCW version and give it a modern twist) and ditch the home plate title completely.
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Post by keezy on Apr 2, 2015 18:06:59 GMT -5
Didn't Christian do this kind of thing a couple of years ago? I remember him facing guys like Hunico and Jinder Mahal for the title.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 2, 2015 20:01:24 GMT -5
Cena's also getting a brand new belt. I'm fine with this. I never liked the WWE's stock US title design.
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Post by mysterydriver on Apr 2, 2015 20:53:25 GMT -5
Wait...wait...wait...
The US Title is now the "Hard Fought Loss to Cena" championship?
Abandon ship, wheel of aggression! ABANDON SHIP!
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Post by JTG Fan on Apr 2, 2015 20:54:23 GMT -5
Didn't Christian do this kind of thing a couple of years ago? I remember him facing guys like Hunico and Jinder Mahal for the title. They weren't title matches, because who knows why.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 3, 2015 1:57:05 GMT -5
Cena's also getting a brand new belt. Guess the IC and US titles stay separate. Boooooo.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 3, 2015 2:32:24 GMT -5
Cena wrestles one midcarder, then the following week issues an open challenge and Randy Orton answers. Sure you've seen Cena/Orton but not for the US TITLE! ONCE IN A LIFETIME! We could do a lot worse. They have good matches.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 2:38:11 GMT -5
Didn't Christian do this kind of thing a couple of years ago? I remember him facing guys like Hunico and Jinder Mahal for the title. They weren't title matches, because who knows why. Non title matches the Intercontinental championship, no less. I didn't know it was physically possible for the IC champ to win non title matches.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Apr 3, 2015 8:21:50 GMT -5
I hope they go with a classic version (take one of the NWA/WCW version and give it a modern twist) and ditch the home plate title completely. Never really registered on my radar, but my god, looking at it here, it does look like a championship. Has a better sense of scale to it than the current one, which has always seemed a bit teensy. Mind, it didn't help that it spent in its first 24 months upon reactivation, it spent considerable time strapped to Big Show.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Apr 3, 2015 8:25:27 GMT -5
I second the Finn Balor idea.
But for the sake of my own fantasy booking....Samoa Joe.
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