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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Apr 8, 2015 13:15:17 GMT -5
It would be crapped on big time nowadays, because he couldn't "talk" and was pushed over super talented wrestlers like Chris Benoit.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Apr 8, 2015 13:20:16 GMT -5
The one thing really wanted to see was a hard fought clean pin over Bill Goldberg.
Not withstanding that, his first run was amazing. Brock just appeared, wrecked shop, and went straight to the top of the good chain. Gotta love it.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Apr 8, 2015 13:26:52 GMT -5
I think I prefer current invincible Brock, personally. He looks way scarier. His matches are unique. Heyman is even better on the mic now too, which helps.
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Post by Fade on Apr 8, 2015 13:32:26 GMT -5
Leaves at XX, one year later Cena's era begins. One could argue Brock staying would have changed everything on a grand-scale. Cena was on his way to the main event regardless. He was already one of the most over guys in the company and moved a lot of merch. The idea to me looked like they were going to set up Cena and Brock as constant rivals. (Cena turned face against had his first WWE title shot and named his finishing move against Brock after all) True but compare Cena had NO one to contest with on a legitimate scale at the time of his first title win. Had Brock been there, it would have undoubtedly changed things. Cena would have still entered the main event scene but that's about all that's assured. He might have had to remain a heel to Brock's face or vice versa. Kind of like how you said as comarable rivals. My point being, Cena might not have been given the same rocket to the moon had Brock stayed and remained with the company. |
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Post by mcstoklasa on Apr 8, 2015 13:37:12 GMT -5
Cena was on his way to the main event regardless. He was already one of the most over guys in the company and moved a lot of merch. The idea to me looked like they were going to set up Cena and Brock as constant rivals. (Cena turned face against had his first WWE title shot and named his finishing move against Brock after all) True but compare Cena had NO one to contest with on a legitimate scale at the time of his first title win. Had Brock been there, it would have undoubtedly changed things. Cena would have still entered the main event scene but that's about all that's assured. He might have had to remain a heel to Brock's face or vice versa. Kind of like how you said as comarable rivals. My point being, Cena might not have been given the same rocket to the moon had Brock stayed and remained with the company. Could have been the new Rock & Austin |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 8, 2015 14:18:23 GMT -5
Leaves at XX, one year later Cena's era begins. One could argue Brock staying would have changed everything on a grand-scale. Cena was on his way to the main event regardless. He was already one of the most over guys in the company and moved a lot of merch. The idea to me looked like they were going to set up Cena and Brock as constant rivals. (Cena turned face against had his first WWE title shot and named his finishing move against Brock after all) Yeah, Cena would have been fine. The real victims of Brock sticking around would have been Batista and JBL. With Brock around, no way does JBL become top heel on SmackDown. Likewise, in 2005 when they've got the two world titles on the chosen faces of WWE, Brock guaranteed has one while Cena has the other. Batista never gets the huge push if Brock is around. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 14:30:46 GMT -5
Cena was on his way to the main event regardless. He was already one of the most over guys in the company and moved a lot of merch. The idea to me looked like they were going to set up Cena and Brock as constant rivals. (Cena turned face against had his first WWE title shot and named his finishing move against Brock after all) Yeah, Cena would have been fine. The real victims of Brock sticking around would have been Batista and JBL. With Brock around, no way does JBL become top heel on SmackDown. Likewise, in 2005 when they've got the two world titles on the chosen faces of WWE, Brock guaranteed has one while Cena has the other. Batista never gets the huge push if Brock is around. I think Batista would of still gotten a huge push. The whole idea of the creation of Evolution according to HHH was to make sure to break the trope that after a stable breaks up, some of the guys on that stable career's peak and flounder around before getting quietly released. His whole idea was to create a stable to launch two superstars careers rather then having it peak. He seems to carry that booking philosophy towards The Shield which is practically the spiritual successor of Evolution. Also Brock Lesnar vs. Batista is a big money match up. Two fast moving athletic hosses against each other. Yeah Batista isn't near Lesnar's levels of amazing hoss athleticism but Batista was actually one of the fastest athletic moving hosses ever. Or at least in that time period where everyone was a roided hoss. |
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 8, 2015 14:42:11 GMT -5
Lesnar is so good that he gets tons and tons of hype, and none of it seems like hyperbole at all.
Even with guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair, you can hear people talk them up and eventually it's like "okay, okay, I get it. They're good." With Brock it's just like "TELL ME MORE".
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Post by bearned on Apr 8, 2015 15:29:56 GMT -5
It would be crapped on big time nowadays, because he couldn't "talk" and was pushed over super talented wrestlers like Chris Benoit. I honestly don't think it would be crapped on at all. Dude is a unique talent - yes he can't "talk" very well but the fact he looks like a legit monster, has a ton of ability in the ring and the cool relationship with Heyman more than compensates for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 15:44:24 GMT -5
Brock backed everything up in the ring and had Heyman. He would absolutely not be crapped on.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Apr 8, 2015 16:01:41 GMT -5
If Brock had stayed in 04 Cena & Batista would have been fine, JBL would never have been given his undeserved run with the title however
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Apr 8, 2015 16:05:33 GMT -5
I remember my 10 year old self being amazed by this freak of a man destroying everyone, he was my favorite wrestler in 2003. It's hard to believe his first run lasted less than 2 years, it felt a lot longer than that.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Apr 8, 2015 16:48:59 GMT -5
It reminded me of Big Van Vader in WCW. One big difference being they hyped Vader up big time coming in. Brock Lesnar just appeared like a force of nature. I did and still do like his pushes. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} I liked the first run of Mr Laser as well.  "Please, Mr. Laser was my father...call me Hector." |
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 8, 2015 16:51:22 GMT -5
He would have been a hall of famer probably based on that run alone, even. Now, short of him hocking loogies on Vince's grave, you can probably expect that for sure.
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Post by BrianZane on Apr 8, 2015 17:27:01 GMT -5
Lesnar is hands-down my favorite wrestler of all-time. The perfect combination of size, strength and agility. Pushed like an absolute monster from the start and looked the part. I was immediately enamored with the guy because of how he was able to toss wrestlers around like they were nothing, including Rikishi and Mark Henry. I thought his push to the moon in his first year was totally believable, and I don't necessarily believe he was pushed "too soon".
I think his face run was well-timed and it worked, but I do agree his going back to being a heel (sans Heyman) wasn't as hot. I was pissed to see him leave when he did, but I'm glad he took a long time off and came back, instead of sticking around and burning out within a year or two, since he wasn't in love with the business anymore.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 8, 2015 17:29:57 GMT -5
Loved it. I was onboard with Brock from the first second he was on camera.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 8, 2015 17:31:06 GMT -5
I'll always be a huge fan of Lesnar, was lucky enough to be at his first official WWF match, a Winnipeg House Show against Kanyon. Had heard his name before, but hadn't really seen much of the dude so I expected him to be doing the job, and then this freaking MONSTER of a man walks out and I was immediately a fan.
When he debuted on TV the night after WM X-8 I literally yelled out "IT'S LESNAR!!!" to my buddy, and was like this is gonna be great. And he proceeded to go on one of the biggest stretches of destruction WWE had ever seen. I followed his progress in Minnesota, kept tabs on him in NJPW, and while I was already a big MMA fan was damn sure tuning in for all his fights. Plus, he's spends alot of time in the area I used to live in because his brother lives there and it's not far from his farm in Saskatchewan so he's a pretty big name locally. Intimidating motherf***ing to see standing in line at the local supermarket, and his brother ain't much smaller.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Apr 8, 2015 21:00:21 GMT -5
I wasn't sold on him immediately.
And not usually being into jacked up guys I thought he was a good looking dude.
Nothing like Cody or Balor, but not bad.
It was his match against Undertaker that really cemented him for me as a major player.
Ridiculously agile and athletic for his size, WWE had never really seen anything like him before.
Sadly his superpush and subsequent leaving scarred Vince for life and talent after talent after talent has suffered because of it.
You start to get over, you get momentum, you get pushed back down. It happens time and time again.
They've had a handful of guys that could have have momentum straight to the title, but anytime it starts they have to get depushed, go heel, or stop doing what makes them over.
Another poster once said "Brock leaving really f***ed up Vince's head".
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Post by -Lithium- on Apr 9, 2015 1:07:59 GMT -5
I'm conflicted on present day Lesnar. I love his aura and the feel of his matches are so different, but "KNEE PUNCH SUPLEX KNEE KNEE ELBOW KNEE KNEE ELBOW SUPLEX SUPLEX KNEE KNEE KNEE ELBOW ELBOW KNEE" annoys the shit out of me sometimes. I miss 02-04 Lesnar at times...
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 9, 2015 4:35:08 GMT -5
He got a lot of legitimacy quick. I remember the annoyance as a DQ result against...RVD, I think it was and how furious people were when that Taker match, the PPV before their Hell in a Cell, went to a non finish. And how he got cheered over The Rock at Summerslam.
He was seen, rather like Kurt Angle, as being a natural and someone that would be a 10 year plus kind of draw.
The way it all ended was what hit the sour note with a lot of people, and retroactively hurt things.
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