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Post by lildude8218 on Apr 11, 2015 13:04:41 GMT -5
when you take an Italian sausage and put it on a roll you call it a sausage sandwich yet a hot dog somehow isn't one
the argument about "two pieces of bread" is invalid. Bread is made in a loaf or sometimes in roll forms. You take two slices from a loaf or cut one roll into two. It's the SAME thing.
Furthermore, burritos are just Mexican wrap sandwiches.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Apr 11, 2015 13:06:27 GMT -5
A sandwich is like pornography in that I know it when I see it and a hot dog ain't it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 13:07:47 GMT -5
Yes, because a sandwich is anything placed on or between bread. This is soup in a bread bowl, from a delicious Reykjavik place called Svarta Kaffi. The soup is placed on the bread, so is that a sandwich? That's inside the bread bowl, not on it.
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Post by 67 more on Apr 11, 2015 13:19:09 GMT -5
This is soup in a bread bowl, from a delicious Reykjavik place called Svarta Kaffi. The soup is placed on the bread, so is that a sandwich? That's inside the bread bowl, not on it. So is a hot dog not inside the roll? Is a burger not inside the bun? If a hot dog is a sandwich, that soup is a sandwich.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 11, 2015 13:20:22 GMT -5
the argument about "two pieces of bread" is invalid. Bread is made in a loaf or sometimes in roll forms. You take two slices from a loaf or cut one roll into two. It's the SAME thing. You're right, taking two slices from a loaf or cutting one roll into two pieces would, in fact, still be using "two pieces of bread" the important factor being more than one piece of bread. I will say that, while it is sometimes fun to be semantic, I don't really see why we can't just use RT's philosophy of "I know it when I see it" when otherwise you can nitpick it to ridiculous levels. Otherwise, you could pretty get extremely pedantic and argue that anything from toast to sushi should qualify.
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Post by lildude8218 on Apr 11, 2015 13:25:44 GMT -5
the argument about "two pieces of bread" is invalid. Bread is made in a loaf or sometimes in roll forms. You take two slices from a loaf or cut one roll into two. It's the SAME thing. You're right, taking two slices from a loaf or cutting one roll into two pieces would, in fact, still be using "two pieces of bread" the operative word being 2. I will say that, while it is sometimes fun to be semantic, I don't really see why we can't just use RT's philosophy of "I know it when I see it" when otherwise you can nitpick it to ridiculous levels. so if you take a roll, cut it but leave it attached and put some sort of lunch meat with cheese and condiments on it then it wouldn't be a sandwich just because the bread is still attached?
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 11, 2015 13:33:51 GMT -5
You're right, taking two slices from a loaf or cutting one roll into two pieces would, in fact, still be using "two pieces of bread" the operative word being 2. I will say that, while it is sometimes fun to be semantic, I don't really see why we can't just use RT's philosophy of "I know it when I see it" when otherwise you can nitpick it to ridiculous levels. so if you take a roll, cut it but leave it attached and put some sort of lunch meat with cheese and condiments on it then it wouldn't be a sandwich just because the bread is still attached? Right. A sandwich, by definition, requires two or more pieces of bread. If it's one piece of bread or bread-like substance encasing the item on two or more sides, then it's not a true sandwich, it might be a roll or a burrito or a taco or something else. That is the bare minimum requirement for something to be a sandwich, there was even a lawsuit to prove it. What goes inside of it is not even relevant to a meals sandwichness. If I injected jelly into a donut, would that make it a jelly sandwich? If not, why is it fundamentally different from a PBJ - the P.
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Post by lildude8218 on Apr 11, 2015 13:36:52 GMT -5
it's not different at all
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Post by hossfan on Apr 11, 2015 13:40:40 GMT -5
So if the bun gets torn, and becomes two pieces, does the hot dog magically transform into a sandwich then?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Apr 11, 2015 13:43:03 GMT -5
No, it's a meat product, but it can be put on a sandwich just like lunch meat or peanut butter.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 11, 2015 13:44:45 GMT -5
it's not different at all So jelly donuts, pizza, sushi, pizza bites, bagels, toast, basically everything that's portable and has bread or bread substitute qualifies as a sandwich then? Thankfully, while we could argue all day, there is actually legal precedent that defines what a sandwich is and is not, including a sworn affidavit by a chef who defines it.
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Post by lildude8218 on Apr 11, 2015 13:49:48 GMT -5
actually, the definition of sandwich was meat and/or cheese, and condiments. so how does a donut, bagels and/or toast have anything to do with it? sushi is also not made with bread. the idea of saying a sandwich HAS to have two separate pieces is actually laughable. this isn't a sandwich then
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Post by lildude8218 on Apr 11, 2015 13:55:27 GMT -5
I would actually say that cheese would fall under more of a condiment role anyway.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 11, 2015 14:06:55 GMT -5
actually, the definition of sandwich was meat and/or cheese, and condiments. so how does a donut, bagels and/or toast have anything to do with it? sushi is also not made with bread. the idea of saying a sandwich HAS to have two separate pieces is actually laughable. this isn't a sandwich then I don't know who's definition you're looking at, but in the ones I just looked at, they clearly state two or more pieces of bread. The first sandwich was cold meat between two pieces of bread. People ate cold meat and cheese and bread well before the invention of the sandwich, it only became a sandwich when the meat was encased in two pieces of bread to allow him to keep playing cards in one hand while eating in the other. We've since relaxed the meat requirement to allow things like peanut butter and jelly and grilled cheese to be sandwiches, because they still have the proper bread component. You say a burrito is a wrap sandwich, even though there's only one piece, so then why is a burrito different from a jelly donut? Both are portable, one piece of bread encasing the filling. Why not a taco for that matter? Is a po-boy less of a sandwich if you didn't fold it over? If not, then anything with one piece of bread with toppings should be considered a sandwich, so why would a bagel which salmon and cream cheese not be a sandwich. It's meat and cheese and bread, it meats all the requirements and is portable too! And while yousay it's laughable, again, legal precedent disagrees
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Post by Dub H on Apr 11, 2015 14:08:28 GMT -5
Enzo Amore: TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES OF BREAD FORMULATE A SANDWICH. Not one!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 14:21:29 GMT -5
And while yousay it's laughable, again, legal precedent disagrees That's just Beantown. New York's tax code puts burritos under its Sandwich Tax.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 11, 2015 14:25:24 GMT -5
And while yousay it's laughable, again, legal precedent disagrees That's just Beantown. New York's tax code puts burritos under its Sandwich Tax. But according to New York this is a delicious sandwich. So should we really listen to them anyways since all it really was was an attempt to institute a hugely broad sales tax?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 14:41:31 GMT -5
That's just Beantown. New York's tax code puts burritos under its Sandwich Tax. But according to New York this is a delicious sandwich. So should we really listen to them anyways since all it really was was an attempt to institute a hugely broad sales tax? Sure. They may be greedy, but Webster's Dictionary says that "one slice of bread covered in food" is a sandwich. NY may have gone too far, but Massachusetts is too timid to go far enough. I'll take the iron grip of tyranny over this culinary anarchy you espouse
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 11, 2015 14:47:49 GMT -5
But according to New York this is a delicious sandwich. So should we really listen to them anyways since all it really was was an attempt to institute a hugely broad sales tax? Sure. They may be greedy, but Webster's Dictionary says that "one slice of bread covered in food" is a sandwich. NY may have gone too far, but Massachusetts is too timid to go far enough. I'll take the iron grip of tyranny over this culinary anarchy you espouse See, Dictionary.com shows the primary definition of a sandwich as having "two or more" slices of bread. If we do allow for one slice, then clearly NY is correct in claiming that a buttered roll should objectively apply, as butter has been considered a sandwich condiment forever now. "One slice of bread covered in food" could just as easily apply to a stack of pancakes or a waffle topped with something too. And it only gets murkier when "wraps" get to be sandwiches by default, because what do we do with lettuce wraps or egg rolls? Some hot dog vendors should sue the state of New York just to get this mess sorted out.
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Post by 67 more on Apr 11, 2015 15:19:43 GMT -5
I refuse to accept this as a sandwich.
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