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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Apr 18, 2015 0:57:33 GMT -5
Michael Cole Because I never understood why a wrestler wouldn't just beat a small, un-athletic announcer to death, for insulting them repeatedly. It's not like Bobby Heenan, who at least had the Heenan Family to back him up. Cole had nobody, but guys like Daniel Bryan just took his shit week after week. Kayfabe wise you'd probably get fined/suspended for putting hands on an announcer
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 1:31:50 GMT -5
Michael Cole Because I never understood why a wrestler wouldn't just beat a small, un-athletic announcer to death, for insulting them repeatedly. It's not like Bobby Heenan, who at least had the Heenan Family to back him up. Cole had nobody, but guys like Daniel Bryan just took his shit week after week. Kayfabe wise you'd probably get fined/suspended for putting hands on an announcer "Indefinitely."
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Post by 67 more on Apr 18, 2015 2:55:29 GMT -5
Carlito turning face for literally backstabbing Chris Masters. By literally, I don't mean actually stabbed him in the back, but I do mean he hit him with the Backstabber and that's how he turned on him.
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Post by ICBM on Apr 18, 2015 9:31:20 GMT -5
Sid Vicsious Halloween havok 99. Dude has been gettng heat as a heel who is going to clobber Goldberg...then Goldberg beats him so bloody they call off the match. I see how the sympathy comes in but don't you need to switch the other guy then? Instead they have Goldberg go into the main event and win the belt...then strip him for umm...reasons. WTFF!?
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 18, 2015 14:37:28 GMT -5
Flair being revealed as the Black Scorpion has to be up there, right? Wasn't he a face at the time?
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 18, 2015 14:52:26 GMT -5
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 18, 2015 15:01:31 GMT -5
If strange = unintentionally funny, then Albert turning on Scotty 2 Hotty and bellowing, "YOU MADE ME DANCE FOR SIX MONTHS!!!"
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 18, 2015 15:06:52 GMT -5
The infamous Demolition/Powers of Pain double turn was notorious for how confused it left people. Yes, now I know the Demos were getting face pops so they had to do something, but this felt tacked on as there was no build-up, no dissention or whatever between them and Fuji. It made Fuji look stupid, as why would he give up the tag team champions for a team that may or may not get them from Demolition? Similarly, I know people love it and it led to the talent-wise best Horsemen lineup, but after rejecting weeks of advances by the Horsemen and winning the tag team titles from them with Lex Luger, Barry Windham...turns on Lex and becomes a Horseman? Giving up a world title for it when (kayfabe) turning bad may or may not get him another title? If this happened today, we'd get "Fire Russo" chants. Pez Whatley gets mad at Jimmy Valiant for calling him "the best black athlete"? Never mind that Shaska was an even more stereotypical character. And I am sure there's a bookload of Russo-era turns we haven't named yet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 0:21:58 GMT -5
The infamous Demolition/Powers of Pain double turn was notorious for how confused it left people. Yes, now I know the Demos were getting face pops so they had to do something, but this felt tacked on as there was no build-up, no dissention or whatever between them and Fuji. It made Fuji look stupid, as why would he give up the tag team champions for a team that may or may not get them from Demolition? It also seemed like the crowd was actually wanting to side with Mr. Fuji. He was the little guy that got beat up by 2 big wrestlers and then rescued by the team who were technically faces at the time in the Powers. I think with just a slight shift that could have easily been carried on as a Mr. Fuji face turn.
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Post by the2ndevil on Apr 19, 2015 1:58:18 GMT -5
Foley literally talking Rikishi into being a babyface again. Foley spends like 5 minutes telling evil heel Rikishi how this just isn't really the real him and let's bring back the real Rikishi." Rikishi says okay, dances and all is forgiven. Power and Glory turning heel and forming, it was weird. Rockers are helping Roma, who just got his ass kicked, Herc is all "don't touch my friend. Arrrgh, we're evil now!" The infamous Demolition/Powers of Pain double turn was notorious for how confused it left people. In retrospect, Undertaker's first face turn was strange. "I was cool with you trying to murder that lady with a poisonous snake on her wedding day, but there's no way in hell I'm letting you hit her with a chair." I think Rikishi's heel turn qualifies as well. It made zero sense for him to be the one to have run down Stone Cold.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 9:02:43 GMT -5
1) Ahmed Johnson: IIRC, an issue of Raw magazine explained Ahmed's reasoning for joining the Nation; he wanted to destroy it from the inside. Then, I'm assuming - and it probably wouldn't be baseless with his history - he got injured, Rocky came in and...joined the Nation. Ahmed pretty much spent the rest of the year spinning his wheels doing nothing of importance.
2) Pistol Pez Whatley: I always assumed he took up the offer from Paul Jones' bounty on Jimmy Valiant, which is why he cut off the braid on Boogie's beard. (Add to that, a lot of people just thought Pez was a low-rent version of Thunderbolt Patterson - without the charisma.)
One I'm sure to stumble upon soon is Kurrgan the Interrogator. This was a scary dude the Truth Commission had and I never really figured out how he went from bad-ass for hire to dancing with the Oddities in a couple of months.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Apr 19, 2015 10:49:46 GMT -5
Paul Heyman on Brock Lesnar at Survivor Series 2002 against Big Show never made sense to me, not at the time or even now.
Heyman screws over Lesnar a freak nature having one of the greatest rookie years ever in wrestling for the Big Show - who kayfabe literally couldn't get the job done from day one (causing Austin to win the cage match), I know Big Show has the size over him but I know which horse I would rather back.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Apr 19, 2015 15:19:58 GMT -5
Not exactly a turn but Buff Bagwell after breaking his neck comes out to a sympathetic babyface pop. Then immediately goes back to being a heel thus ruining the chance to capitalize on a real life accident that caused real emotion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 18:11:59 GMT -5
Not exactly a turn but Buff Bagwell after breaking his neck comes out to a sympathetic babyface pop. Then immediately goes back to being a heel thus ruining the chance to capitalize on a real life accident that caused real emotion. I agree but at the same time Bagwell has this complete jerkass personality that would make anything other than an extremely short-term (one night?) pityf*** face turn very difficult. The guy's a born heel. As soon as he went "Buff" he definitely found his niche.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Apr 19, 2015 19:29:32 GMT -5
Basically, Ahmed started buying into the Nation's talk that the WWF was racist, and he turned, saying that the fans and management would never accept a black champion. I actually supported this turn, since Ahmed was stale as a face, the fans were losing interest in him, and it was at least a logical reason for a turn.
Actually, there was a little more to it then that. Yes, Foley gave him the speech, but it ultimately took Stephanie berating and slapping him.
For my choices, I'm going with Val Venis' first turn in 1999 - he became a bad guy when GTV caught him stuffing his pants with Mr. Socko.
Also, Savio Vega joining the Nation of Domination. He turned on Ahmed at a house show, and then cemented the turn on the C-show (Shotgun). He did give a promo explaining why, but his accent made it impossible to understand.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 19, 2015 22:17:14 GMT -5
CHarlie Haas and Viscera turning after they fought over Lillian was funny. When they were asked why they did what they did the response was "Sure we can tell you, but we won't"
On Sting's turn in 99, the funniest thing is seeing the WCW video packages trying to explain how Sting was an evil mastermind his entire time in the company.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Apr 20, 2015 11:03:01 GMT -5
Foley literally talking Rikishi into being a babyface again. Foley spends like 5 minutes telling evil heel Rikishi how this just isn't really the real him and let's bring back the real Rikishi." Rikishi says okay, dances and all is forgiven. Power and Glory turning heel and forming, it was weird. Rockers are helping Roma, who just got his ass kicked, Herc is all "don't touch my friend. Arrrgh, we're evil now!" The infamous Demolition/Powers of Pain double turn was notorious for how confused it left people. In retrospect, Undertaker's first face turn was strange. "I was cool with you trying to murder that lady with a poisonous snake on her wedding day, but there's no way in hell I'm letting you hit her with a chair." I think Rikishi's heel turn qualifies as well. It made zero sense for him to be the one to have run down Stone Cold. But, he did it for da people, he did it for da Rock.
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Post by Aceorton on Apr 20, 2015 13:56:24 GMT -5
I have to say Undertaker yanking the chair out of Jake Roberts hands and turning face in 1992. At that time...deadman zombie who puts people in bodybags and attempted murder on the ultimate warrior, funerary music, wears all black and gray. FACE? Nah. Didn't work for me. I was about to defend the taming power of Elizabeth's grace and beauty on men's hearts, living or undead, but then I remembered that Undertaker also was perfectly OK hanging out with Jake for a couple of months after he'd hit her in the face. Maybe it was Undertaker's favorite chair and that's why he stopped him.
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Post by somsta on Apr 21, 2015 21:54:19 GMT -5
The other day I saw someone ask Russo on the Twitta why there were so many turns in his WCW. He said no one turns in wrestling - they have reactions. Reactions on a pole, I guess.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Apr 23, 2015 2:39:53 GMT -5
Dont share some of your opinions
Ahmed joining NOD made sense ("MLK & Malcolm X uniting", if you cant beat em join em, agrees with claims of racism in WWF)
Austin turning heel at WM17 made sense (paranoia, getting more violent and brutal since his return in fall 2000, wanting to hold the belt by any means necessary)
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