How often should Cena lose "clean"?

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

I was thinking about some of the main eventers and a guy like Randy has lost more than I think he should but when you defeat him it's still a notch in your cap. I believe he's even tapped to Bryan on TV before(before his heel turn). Anyway, in regards to Cena and his US title run right now he's wrestling well and doing a good job with the title. Can 2 or 3 "clean" losses a year add more intrigue to Cena matches? Obviously you have to pick and choose considering his lost to a guy like Tensai amounted to nothing. Right now we still make fun of the LOLCENA WINS all the time but what is the right number of losses for his character to lose in a year without losing his mystique for lack of a better word.

[Perd]

Losses: The only things John Cena doesn't like clean

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Absolutely. You hit it on the head, 2-3 times a year. One of those on a Raw or Smackdown. You can't have guys wrestle on TV/PPV this often and never, ever have someone get the better of them in a match, it's ridiculous honestly.

[The Yes Man]

When he's facing another face, and the other one is gonna win, it should be clean.

The problem isn't him losing clean, it's that he rarely loses. He should lose, hook or by crook, a lot more. A heel isn't defined by whether he can beat someone clean, it's whether he can find a way to beat someone.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

When someone can make him sneeze in front of Vince.

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Remember when Cena lost to Tensai?

Yeah. Let Cena lose around 3-4 times a year to legitimate opponents. Make sure it's on major ppvs or even the main event of Raw every once in a while. I'd love to see it and it also breaks Cena's whole "omg this guy never loses clean" thing. Same thing with Reigns. Roman's only lost clean twice since the Shield breakup and one was at Wrestlemania, the other against Big Show. If he doesn't start losing more cleanly then he'll just grab another trait that we hate from Cena.

[The Yes Man]

Apr 29, 2015 16:40:22 GMT -5 @kn said:

Remember when Cena lost to Tensai?

Yeah. Let Cena lose around 3-4 times a year to legitimate opponents. Make sure it's on major ppvs or even the main event of Raw every once in a while. I'd love to see it and it also breaks Cena's whole "omg this guy never loses clean" thing. Same thing with Reigns. Roman's only lost clean twice since the Shield breakup and one was at Wrestlemania, the other against Big Show. If he doesn't start losing more cleanly then he'll just grab another trait that we hate from Cena.

Neither of those were clean..

[MrBRulzOK]

He should lose when it means something, and when the winner benefits from it.

Really that's how all wins and losses should work if you ask me. You don't beat a guy just for the sake of beating him, after all.

[Grand Papillon "The Banker"]

The perfect end to the Rusev feud would be for Rusev to beat him clean as a sheet and make him tap at the next pay per view. It would more than erase Rusevs losses and make him into a huge deal. It won't happen because WWE is an entertainment company instead if a wrestling company, but it's the right way to go if you want to make Rusev special.

And that's my answer. He should job to guys that they are serious about pushing hard. Jobbing to guys that they are just going to turn around and job to someone else on a whim on the next Raw does no one any good

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Apr 29, 2015 16:40:22 GMT -5 @kn said:

Remember when Cena lost to Tensai?

Yeah. Let Cena lose around 3-4 times a year to legitimate opponents. Make sure it's on major ppvs or even the main event of Raw every once in a while. I'd love to see it and it also breaks Cena's whole "omg this guy never loses clean" thing. Same thing with Reigns. Roman's only lost clean twice since the Shield breakup and one was at Wrestlemania, the other against Big Show. If he doesn't start losing more cleanly then he'll just grab another trait that we hate from Cena.

Roman is becoming a great seller and they should use that more for him when its comes to losses. I've said during the Orton match at Summerslam when he reversed the superman punch into the RKO it should of ended the match. It builds up his character as a rookie mistake he went to the well one too many times and got caught by a former champion. When you give him wins when "overcoming adversity" it just comes across as stacking up needless wins for him. However, I do give him credit for stepping up in his PPV matches.

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Apr 29, 2015 16:46:57 GMT -5 The Yes Man said:

Apr 29, 2015 16:40:22 GMT -5 @kn said:

Remember when Cena lost to Tensai?

Yeah. Let Cena lose around 3-4 times a year to legitimate opponents. Make sure it's on major ppvs or even the main event of Raw every once in a while. I'd love to see it and it also breaks Cena's whole "omg this guy never loses clean" thing. Same thing with Reigns. Roman's only lost clean twice since the Shield breakup and one was at Wrestlemania, the other against Big Show. If he doesn't start losing more cleanly then he'll just grab another trait that we hate from Cena.

Neither of those were clean..

Yeah...just checked. Damn. I really thought the Show match was clean.

That's just depressing to know he hasn't lost a match clean since Shield's split, damn.

Apr 29, 2015 17:17:22 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Roman is becoming a great seller and they should use that more for him when its comes to losses. I've said during the Orton match at Summerslam when he reversed the superman punch into the RKO it should of ended the match. It builds up his character as a rookie mistake he went to the well one too many times and got caught by a former champion. When you give him wins when "overcoming adversity" it just comes across as stacking up needless wins for him. However, I do give him credit for stepping up in his PPV matches.

I give him credit for stepping it up but he needs to show more "mistakes" out the gate since he's a rookie and rely on his best areas, his explosive moves and his strength. Have the announcers hype up those more than anything, let Romans have mistakes and then he can get a good hit in and that'll be it. Gradually he can become more experienced and it makes sense. If they go by his current booking his entire career then it'll be even staler than Cena.

[Kay Faban]

Clean? I would say once a year at most.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Apr 29, 2015 17:21:47 GMT -5 @kn said:

Apr 29, 2015 17:17:22 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Roman is becoming a great seller and they should use that more for him when its comes to losses. I've said during the Orton match at Summerslam when he reversed the superman punch into the RKO it should of ended the match. It builds up his character as a rookie mistake he went to the well one too many times and got caught by a former champion. When you give him wins when "overcoming adversity" it just comes across as stacking up needless wins for him. However, I do give him credit for stepping up in his PPV matches.

I give him credit for stepping it up but he needs to show more "mistakes" out the gate since he's a rookie and rely on his best areas, his explosive moves and his strength. Have the announcers hype up those more than anything, let Romans how mistakes and then he can get a good hit in and that'll be it. Gradually he can become more experienced and it makes sense. If they go by his current booking his entire career then it'll be even staler than Cena.

I agree, I would rather them focus on the mistakes he makes and you can play it up as oh boy wait till he gets more experience he's going to be special. I like the way they are formatting his matches on PPV as a guy who gets hit real damn hard but can hit real damn hard back. His biggest obstacle is the mic but he's slowly improving. He doesn't have to be Cena and save the kids, just be Roman "I can't trust anybody but myself wrecking ball Reigns".

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When it matters, which sadly never seems to occur. I don't care the number, I care that it means something.

[Saul Goodman]

How often did The Rock, Austin, HBK, Hogan and Bret Hart lose clean when they were the top faces in the WWE? I know that The Rock lost a lot but most of the time he lost dirty. The only times I remember when Austin lost clean were against Triple H and Mankind at Summerslam 1999 and Wrestlemania 19 to the Rock (can argue he was no longer the top face at that point). Hogan lost clean to Warrior at Wrestlemania 6. I don't think HBK lost clean to anyone during his top face run, he did lose to Vader in a couple of tag matches. My point is that this is how the WWE has always booked their top face.

[jivesoulbrah]

As much crap as Cena gets for never losing clean, Austin was way worse which is why I could never get into him. The Rock looked vulnerable and beatable but he still managed to keep that main event aura. With Stone Cold it was ridiculous, you knew he wasn't going to lose, and he'd just "stomp a mudhole" in whomever he was facing and always got the upper hand. He nearly won 3 rumbles Ina row, that's just plain ridiculous (and he ended up winning another eventually)

[BigWill]

A couple times a year at least. Cena hasn't looked like the top guy in the WWE for a while, so there's no reason he should be getting more protected than guys higher up on the card than him.

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Enough to get him to the point where his matches have suspense again.