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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 8:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 9, 2015 9:11:16 GMT -5
Since when does WWE have to tackle serious issues? I've never understood this criticism of them. They can be as offensive as they like.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on May 9, 2015 9:43:59 GMT -5
My memory is hazy but when did fans turn on Eugene (in support of the bad guy) not including ECW One Night Stand 2 I mean which was on purpose.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on May 9, 2015 9:46:40 GMT -5
At his height, Eugene was easily the most over character on the show. The character was handled very well until they kind of forgot about him after he lost to Triple H. He stayed relatively over until the end of his career.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 9:55:52 GMT -5
My memory is hazy but when did fans turn on Eugene (in support of the bad guy) not including ECW One Night Stand 2 I mean which was on purpose. It first really started becoming widespread when he returned from injury and beat Angle. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 9, 2015 9:58:56 GMT -5
They fail to understand the concept of heels.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 9, 2015 10:13:41 GMT -5
Since when does WWE have to tackle serious issues? I've never understood this criticism of them. They can be as offensive as they like. They don't have to, but in almost every case listed, shitty booking ruined what could have been good stories. |
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on May 9, 2015 10:21:11 GMT -5
Since when does WWE have to tackle serious issues? I've never understood this criticism of them. They can be as offensive as they like. Not if Mattel has anything to say about it. |
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Post by auph10imitated on May 9, 2015 10:26:02 GMT -5
I never ever understood what could have possibly been the outcome of the Hawk angle? He was drunk every week, he pissed off his friend, he tried to commit suicide and he was replaced by a new guy... now what... ? He makes a heroic comeback? It just felt like one of those storylines that really couldnt go anywhere other than Animal putting him in rehab on TV and then Hawk coming back, but really would have anyone cared? I dont know. Such a dreadful dreadful angle, hard to watch.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 9, 2015 10:28:03 GMT -5
My memory is hazy but when did fans turn on Eugene (in support of the bad guy) not including ECW One Night Stand 2 I mean which was on purpose. It first really started becoming widespread when he returned from injury and beat Angle. He didn't even beat him per se. He survived the invitational and "won" the medals. The rematch saw Angle squashin him |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 9, 2015 10:28:04 GMT -5
Since when does WWE have to tackle serious issues? I've never understood this criticism of them. They can be as offensive as they like. The issue here is that WWE, of their own volition, decided to touch on social issues and pretty much always did a tremendous job of bungling it. Nobody's asking them to, they do it themselves and fail. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 9, 2015 10:30:33 GMT -5
Since when does WWE have to tackle serious issues? I've never understood this criticism of them. They can be as offensive as they like. The issue here is that WWE, of their own volition, decided to touch on social issues and pretty much always did a tremendous job of bungling it. Nobody's asking them to, they do it themselves and fail. But they don't claim to be portraying social issues nicely, do they? Not really. They do things for attention and controversy. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 9, 2015 10:34:29 GMT -5
The issue here is that WWE, of their own volition, decided to touch on social issues and pretty much always did a tremendous job of bungling it. Nobody's asking them to, they do it themselves and fail. But they don't claim to be portraying social issues nicely, do they? Not really. They do things for attention and controversy. But that's still touching on a social issue. If I were to make a parody of the riots in Baltimore (why the hell I would do this, I don't know, but for the sake of this hypothetical), that's still touching on the issue. I'm bringing attention to a real situation that's making a lot of headlines. You can be as controversial as you want but you have to take the criticism that comes with it. Hell, isn't that the entire point of controversy? You are actively trying to piss people off? |
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Post by Hit Girl on May 9, 2015 10:36:08 GMT -5
They would have got more attention (the good kind) had they simply booked Billy and Chuck to get married and be a stable gay couple who were also a tag team.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 9, 2015 10:39:34 GMT -5
They would have got more attention (the good kind) had they simply booked Billy and Chuck to get married and be a stable gay couple who were also a tag team. Definitely true. They were getting plenty of positive press about it. I understand the "controversy gets attention" view but that's one situation where doing the expected thing would have worked out better for them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 10:40:02 GMT -5
It first really started becoming widespread when he returned from injury and beat Angle. He didn't even beat him per se. He survived the invitational and "won" the medals. The rematch saw Angle squashin him I'm wanting to say Eugene won the match via a fluke roll-up or something, not the time running out. |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on May 9, 2015 10:55:35 GMT -5
How did WWE fail with Eugene?
He was portrayed as sympathetic, the whole storyline and character were handled well and not made out to be someone to laugh and poke fun at. They did start to drop the ball at the tail-end of his career with Sandman caning him for no reason and such.
Also, how was Gowan mishandled? He was a feel good story winning his contract and a plucky underdog jobber who the crowd sympathised with. I'd say they were pretty successful. So according to Cracked, disabled people can't be made to look weak or get beat up on a fictional show? Brock beating Zack was one of the WWE's most memorable beatdowns.
Finally, Jeff was a face not because he was a drug abuser... but because Punk was an utter dick. Punk may have been somewhat in the right but he was a smug, ecotistical, holier-than-thou, dick. Wasn't the storyline centred around Jeff kicking his habit and now been clean and Punk digging things up from the past to target him? Granted... Jeff wasn't clean, but WWE weren't to know that so it's not really the point.
Stupid article.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 9, 2015 11:15:21 GMT -5
How did WWE fail with Eugene? He was portrayed as sympathetic, the whole storyline and character were handled well and not made out to be someone to laugh and poke fun at. They did start to drop the ball at the tail-end of his career with Sandman caning him for no reason and such. Also, how was Gowan mishandled? He was a feel good story winning his contract and a plucky underdog jobber who the crowd sympathised with. I'd say they were pretty successful. So according to Cracked, disabled people can't be made to look weak or get beat up on a fictional show? Brock beating Zack was one of the WWE's most memorable beatdowns. Finally, Jeff was a face not because he was a drug abuser... but because Punk was an utter dick. Punk may have been somewhat in the right but he was a smug, ecotistical, holier-than-thou, dick. Wasn't the storyline centred around Jeff kicking his habit and now been clean and Punk digging things up from the past to target him? Granted... Jeff wasn't clean, but WWE weren't to know that so it's not really the point. Stupid article. the issue in question with Jeff is that trying to portray an unrepentant druggie whose actively caused problems with his issues as the good guy was really dumb. especially considering that said "good guy" had too many problems outside the ring that undermined his arguments. him getting arrested with an assload of drugs the day after he lost to Punk didn't help, either. yeah, Punk was being a dick but his point was way too salient to take Jeff seriously as the face in the angle. |
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Post by thegame415 on May 9, 2015 11:27:09 GMT -5
I never ever understood what could have possibly been the outcome of the Hawk angle? He was drunk every week, he pissed off his friend, he tried to commit suicide and he was replaced by a new guy... now what... ? He makes a heroic comeback? It just felt like one of those storylines that really couldnt go anywhere other than Animal putting him in rehab on TV and then Hawk coming back, but really would have anyone cared? I dont know. Such a dreadful dreadful angle, hard to watch.  |
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Post by wildojinx on May 9, 2015 11:27:54 GMT -5
They would have got more attention (the good kind) had they simply booked Billy and Chuck to get married and be a stable gay couple who were also a tag team. Except by 2002 there were a lot of fans (smarks and casuals) who hated Billy (and by association, Chuck), not because he was "gay" but because he was seen as a poor worker. They were pretty much the "local men" of Smackdown. |
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