kdawg
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Post by kdawg on May 11, 2015 1:01:51 GMT -5
When indie guys sign with WWE, you hear interviews and comments about how they need to "learn the WWE way". For guys like Sami Zayn, Owens, Balor, Itami etc., they have wrestled all over the world for years and have had some of the highest rated and most talked about matches in places like ROH or overseas. What do they learn or do they have to learn to wrestle the "WWE style", besides not taking insane bumps?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 11, 2015 1:21:53 GMT -5
When indie guys sign with WWE, you hear interviews and comments about how they need to "learn the WWE way". For guys like Sami Zayn, Owens, Balor, Itami etc., they have wrestled all over the world for years and have had some of the highest rated and most talked about matches in places like ROH or overseas. What do they learn or do they have to learn to wrestle the "WWE style", besides not taking insane bumps? How to wrestle for television, where the camera is, and more of an emphasis on telling a story. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 11, 2015 1:24:03 GMT -5
When indie guys sign with WWE, you hear interviews and comments about how they need to "learn the WWE way". For guys like Sami Zayn, Owens, Balor, Itami etc., they have wrestled all over the world for years and have had some of the highest rated and most talked about matches in places like ROH or overseas. What do they learn or do they have to learn to wrestle the "WWE style", besides not taking insane bumps? How to wrestle for television, where the camera is, and more of an emphasis on telling a story. I hate this. It should be the camera people's responsibility to get the good shots during a match, not the wrestlers'. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 1:29:52 GMT -5
Less of this shit  and more of this  |
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Post by Paco on May 11, 2015 1:35:03 GMT -5
A big one WCW guys coming into WWF had difficulty with: taking a bump when hit but getting immediately (and repeatedly) back up to feed the babyface comeback.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 11, 2015 1:37:42 GMT -5
How to wrestle for television, where the camera is, and more of an emphasis on telling a story. I hate this. It should be the camera people's responsibility to get the good shots during a match, not the wrestlers'.  You get the f*** out of here. |
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Post by Hobby Drifter on May 11, 2015 2:17:31 GMT -5
How to put on a good match without hurting yourself so badly that you can drive 200 miles, work out for a few hours, and do it again the next day, endlessly.
How to play to a crowd of thousands (and a TV crowd of millions).
Technical stuff that comes with WWE's slick video production.
How to work with people who've adapted to this kind of style.
Delivering promos in a way that won't look terrible, since it will be available on video sharing sites until the end of time.
How do make your offense look devastating without driving away the sponsors.
How to not do what Sin Cara did.
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Post by ededdneddy on May 11, 2015 2:21:20 GMT -5
Vince: Wrestling Is The Devil!!!
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Post by yes on May 11, 2015 2:22:51 GMT -5
How to draw a dime. Because it's all about the money god dammit!
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 11, 2015 2:32:07 GMT -5
 While WWE style makes for slicker TV wrestling, sometimes you get cringe worthy stuff like this. |
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on May 11, 2015 2:43:41 GMT -5
A big one WCW guys coming into WWF had difficulty with: taking a bump when hit but getting immediately (and repeatedly) back up to feed the babyface comeback. This is one I hated. I like comebacks, but this was never something I bought. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 11, 2015 3:19:14 GMT -5
How to not do what Sin Cara did. If you speak English, or are willing to learn, you're already one step ahead of him. |
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Post by Mozenrath on May 11, 2015 3:26:31 GMT -5
A big one WCW guys coming into WWF had difficulty with: taking a bump when hit but getting immediately (and repeatedly) back up to feed the babyface comeback. This is one I hated. I like comebacks, but this was never something I bought. I am fine with it, just since when comebacks are at the right point in a match, anyway, like a hot tag, it's when the other person(s) were already winning. If the face came in and punched them once and that laid them out, people would be saying it was a burial, probably. "Apparenly, Heel Tagman can only take one hit and then he's down for the count. What a wuss." |
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Post by Ryushinku on May 11, 2015 3:30:50 GMT -5
WWE's ring is also pretty large. I know that was one a few ex-WCWers mentioned and may be the same for some indy guys. Having to take that extra step or two until you hit the ropes might sound like nothing but really makes a difference in muscle memory and rhythm.
But yeah, generally speaking the WWE style training thing is less about "punch guys and look muscular" (although they definitely try to tone down the bigger bumping) and more about how to present and carry yourself to best television advantage.
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Post by Dean-o on May 11, 2015 3:51:11 GMT -5
You better practice your entrance good because you'll be doing it on repeat for years.
Also, see that camera in the middle of that section there, the one where no one else is sitting by? Forget about the fans in the arena tonight, you're wrestling for that camera audience.
It drives me so crazy when I see people, sometimes in mid-move, turn themselves and their opponent around so that they are facing the hard camera.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 11, 2015 3:52:15 GMT -5
While WWE style makes for slicker TV wrestling, sometimes you get cringe worthy stuff like this. See, I'd even have preferred it if he'd held them and gone around 360 as if he's showing them off, but just the turn looks weird. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 4:00:53 GMT -5
While WWE style makes for slicker TV wrestling, sometimes you get cringe worthy stuff like this. I'd put that more on the performs that on the hard camera thing really. The hard camera thing does lead to some awkward, tacky shit that looks really out of place but there, there was nothing stopping them from having Big Show kind of fling them over to be in line with the camera then grab them for the chokeslam, which would've looked a lot better. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 11, 2015 4:14:47 GMT -5
While WWE style makes for slicker TV wrestling, sometimes you get cringe worthy stuff like this. I'd put that more on the performs that on the hard camera thing really. The hard camera thing does lead to some awkward, tacky shit that looks really out of place but there, there was nothing stopping them from having Big Show kind of fling them over to be in line with the camera then grab them for the chokeslam, which would've looked a lot better. I actually looked back at the footage from this spot just to see how they got into position. The way it went down was that Harper and Rowan Irish Whipped Big Show into the ropes, and he came back and grabbed both of them at the same time. That means, there's was no way to actually perform this spot the way it was intended without either an awkward shift like in the GIF, or they just film the Chokeslam to the side. It was just bad planning, because they could have had Big Show do a double clothesline instead, and then get in front of the hard camera and grab Harper and Rowan once he's aligned correctly. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 11, 2015 4:34:11 GMT -5
How to wrestle for television, where the camera is, and more of an emphasis on telling a story. I hate this. It should be the camera people's responsibility to get the good shots during a match, not the wrestlers'. That's not always entirely possible. Camera are very cumbersome pieces of equipment, there's cords eveywhere, and ideally camera people are on-screen as little as possible. They have to do all of this in a fairly limited space with big heavy cameras meant to capture matches that can sometimes be very fast-paced. That requires a certain level of planning, and the current system, while it has its flaws, allows them to actually capture moments well. The difference you see in a less principled setup in other companies is very clear, and that doesn't only come down to the people in the truck. |
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on May 11, 2015 4:46:41 GMT -5
This is one I hated. I like comebacks, but this was never something I bought. I am fine with it, just since when comebacks are at the right point in a match, anyway, like a hot tag, it's when the other person(s) were already winning. If the face came in and punched them once and that laid them out, people would be saying it was a burial, probably. "Apparenly, Heel Tagman can only take one hit and then he's down for the count. What a wuss." The fact is there is very little variation, and why I am love Cesaro's hot tag right now. |
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