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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 20, 2015 21:48:38 GMT -5
..in a round about way at least?
Hear me out, before the Network launched NXT was still a decent show but was only really seen by those who got it on TV, the international market, and while it gave us Seth Rollins, Big E and Bo Dallas their debuts were only as big or as exciting as the moment and the majority of fans didn't really know who they were.
Now, thanks to the Network, NXT has exposure. We're getting legitimate top "indy" stars performing under the WWE banner and putting on great matches. When they debut on RAW now there's already an excitement, it's the closest we've had for a very long time to when WCW stars would jump over to WWF in the Attitude Era. There does seem to be a legit excitement about the future of the product now. Now it does feel like anything can happen on RAW again, anyone can show up and we'll know who they are, we know their music, we know their name.
Hell, Samoa Joe debuted on "WWE's farm system" and it doesn't feel any less than if he would have shown up on RAW. In the same way, you never saw FCW Champion Alex Riley debut to a great reaction on RAW to takeout Triple H.
This isn't "development" anymore, every single match tonight would rank highly on a WWE PPV.
I do wonder how the main roster guys feel about how NXT is progressing. I hope they rise to the challenge but maybe guys like Dolph Ziggler who was too busy tweeting about ice hockey tonight may get lost in the shuffle once the NXT class "graduate" to RAW.
If you're a women's wrestler on NXT though you must be dreading the call!
If nothing else, maybe WWE will have another shot to do the Invasion angle and not mess it up!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 20, 2015 21:52:34 GMT -5
Guys like Dolph Ziggler and Alex Riley do put work in. But it feels like it's all for naught because the company doesn't see them as anything more than warm bodies to put the shiny toys over. It feels like guys like them are being punished because they had the audacity to not come up from the indies and TNA and build up that pre-WWE following that guys like Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe had.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on May 20, 2015 21:53:52 GMT -5
I think it helps in that WWE is showing a direction the want to go in in the future. They are building talent the way they want them to be built and are letting indy guys have a better and much more structured way to prepare for the main roster.
I find WWE has been exceptionally good on all fronts since Wrestlemania. Even Raw has been as good as it has been in a long time in the last month.
The main event is being led by 3 "young" wrestlers in Ambrose, Reigns and Rollins which is giving us some fresh main events. NXT is starting to churn out some great guys to come in behind them which is great and sets up WWE to be very strong for both the short and long term.
Jsut good altogether on all fronts.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 20, 2015 21:57:27 GMT -5
because they had the audacity to not come up from the indies and TNA and build up that pre-WWE following that guys like Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe had. How times change... I could be wrong but Tyler Breeze didn't have an indy following, the women's division on NXT (and Paige) didn't. It's not an excuse. Tyson Kidd went to NXT and revitalised his career. Dolph isn't doing badly of course, he's constantly booked and made to look fairly important. He was just an example because I saw him tweeting about ice hockey while you had many other wrestlers (WWE, TNA, Indy) all talking about Takeover. If these 'kids' are putting on one hell of a show and coming after my job? I'm scouting and planning how to set the bar higher. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 20, 2015 21:57:38 GMT -5
Nah.
People can keep their NXT boner as long as they want, this company has got some f***ing problems and very little of it has to do with the active or developmental roster. Just keeping it 300 like the Romans.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 20, 2015 21:58:42 GMT -5
Guys like Dolph Ziggler and Alex Riley do put work in. But it feels like it's all for naught because the company doesn't see them as anything more than warm bodies to put the shiny toys over. It feels like guys like them are being punished because they had the audacity to not come up from the indies and TNA and build up that pre-WWE following that guys like Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe had. How the hell is Alex Riley on the same level as Dolph Ziggler? Come on brah, lol. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 20, 2015 22:01:05 GMT -5
Guys like Dolph Ziggler and Alex Riley do put work in. But it feels like it's all for naught because the company doesn't see them as anything more than warm bodies to put the shiny toys over. It feels like guys like them are being punished because they had the audacity to not come up from the indies and TNA and build up that pre-WWE following that guys like Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe had. How the hell is Alex Riley on the same level as Dolph Ziggler? Come on brah, lol. Those were the two names that the OP brought up. EDIT: I never said he was "on the same level" as Dolph Ziggler. I get that he's not everyone's cup of tea. But you can't really tell me with a straight face that the guy hasn't busted his ass to get better and that he doesn't deserve better than what he's gotten so far. It really pisses me off to see an underrated dude being unfairly painted as the avatar of the "shitty sucky FCW Clone Army" when he's worked hard and proved himself to be a pretty solid talent. |
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 20, 2015 22:01:50 GMT -5
Nah. People can keep their NXT boner as long as they want, this company has got some f***ing problems and very little of it has to do with the active or developmental roster. Just keeping it 300 like the Romans. Oh I know it's not perfect by any means, but thanks to NXT getting this exposure and the way the NXT-grads have been treated on the main roster so far it goes a long way in making things feel exciting again, to me at least. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 20, 2015 22:07:23 GMT -5
because they had the audacity to not come up from the indies and TNA and build up that pre-WWE following that guys like Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe had. How times change... I could be wrong but Tyler Breeze didn't have an indy following, the women's division on NXT (and Paige) didn't. It's not an excuse. Tyson Kidd went to NXT and revitalised his career. Dolph isn't doing badly of course, he's constantly booked and made to look fairly important. He was just an example because I saw him tweeting about ice hockey while you had many other wrestlers (WWE, TNA, Indy) all talking about Takeover. If these 'kids' are putting on one hell of a show and coming after my job? I'm scouting and planning how to set the bar higher. How many guys are going to actually be allowed to try to set the bar higher? Not everyone gets the chance to go all out in the ring the way the NXT crew does. And Unless someone is an office pet project who gets a zillion chances to get over, WWE Creative will just give up on them the second things get rough rather than actually letting them put the time in that it takes to become great. |
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on May 20, 2015 22:08:44 GMT -5
Nah. People can keep their NXT boner as long as they want, this company has got some f***ing problems and very little of it has to do with the active or developmental roster. Just keeping it 300 like the Romans. Oh I know it's not perfect by any means, but thanks to NXT getting this exposure and the way the NXT-grads have been treated on the main roster so far it goes a long way in making things feel exciting again, to me at least. It feels like NXT has brought back the old school ECW excitement. ECW was the place where struggling wrestlers went to get reborn and young wrestlers went to make a name for themselves. There was a certain "street cred" that a wrestler had when jumping from ECW to WWE that even WCW wrestlers couldn't claim. There was excitement because you knew that those guys could tear down the house if given the chance on Raw and it created excitement to see just who would show up on any given week. NXT has revatilized that excitement. Who is going to be the next NXT guy to come up. Who is going to be the next big indy start to show up and prove themselves in NXT. Definitely has an excitement in the air surrounding WWE that has been missing for a long time. |
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on May 20, 2015 23:04:42 GMT -5
As good as 1 hour of NXT is each week, it doesn't make 3 shitty hours of Raw (6 if you count most PPV weeks) any better. In summary, good network content has not been making the main product, Raw, any much better. I do agree that NXt doesn't make Raw better but Raw has been quite good since Mania and the last few PPV's have all been pretty good in their own right so maybe they are pushing the main roster/creative a bit. |
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Post by Starshine on May 20, 2015 23:18:44 GMT -5
because they had the audacity to not come up from the indies and TNA and build up that pre-WWE following that guys like Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe had. How times change... I could be wrong but Tyler Breeze didn't have an indy following, the women's division on NXT (and Paige) didn't. It's not an excuse. Tyson Kidd went to NXT and revitalised his career. Dolph isn't doing badly of course, he's constantly booked and made to look fairly important. He was just an example because I saw him tweeting about ice hockey while you had many other wrestlers (WWE, TNA, Indy) all talking about Takeover. If these 'kids' are putting on one hell of a show and coming after my job? I'm scouting and planning how to set the bar higher. Unless one crazy old out of touch man won't let you. Ziggler works more than hard enough, but there's only so much you can do when you have weights shackled around your ankles. You mentioned Paige, but look at what happened to her. What did she do in the last year that compares to what the NXT women have been delivering in that same time? Is she lazy and unmotivated too? The network alone doesn't fix the system, and that's been broken for years. |
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Post by fw91 on May 21, 2015 1:21:20 GMT -5
I really believe the Network has really caused a lack of effort in producing quality PPVS. The only really good ones since the network's launch were the Wrestlemanias and that's because they're well WrestleMania.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 21, 2015 1:33:31 GMT -5
I really believe the Network has really caused a lack of effort in producing quality PPVS. The only really good ones since the network's launch were the Wrestlemanias and that's because they're well WrestleMania. Yeah. WWE has stopped trying to put on great PPVs simply because "they're only $9.99". |
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