|
Post by abjordans on May 27, 2015 12:59:10 GMT -5
Do not agree. Family is the best Nas/Mobb Deep collab in my opinion. Shoot Em Up is an all time guilty pleasure. Quiet N's is probably the best thing The Bravehearts were on. Come And Get Me is super dope. Owe Me Back was a catchy single. Also, I thought the hate for both It Was Written and I Am has been retroactively amended? Favor for a Favor with Scarface? Small World is a classic Nas joint. Hate Me Now is the definition of stadium music. Eh. Maybe bad Nas is still good Nas to me, I guess. Yeah, it's all bad Nas. The hatred for both still exists. It Was Written hate was retroactively amended now that people are fine with Nas being mafioso immeadiately after Illmatic, as well as being able to just delete "Nas is Coming" from their MP3 players. "Hate Me Now" is still f***ing terrible. "Owe Me Back" is up there with "Braveheart Party" and "Who Killed It" as the worst f***ing Nas songs ever. You don't enjoy Nas rapping like the little gangster Looney Tune guy?!? It Was Written gets more playback than Illmatic from me by the way. One of the most unfairly hated on albums of all time. The mafioso thing. Why was it ok for Raekwon to do after 36 Chambers of BIG to do after Ready To Die? Cuban Linx and LAD are (rightfully) considered classics, but It Was Written gets shit for it? Cmooooon.
|
|
|
Post by DSR on May 27, 2015 16:07:04 GMT -5
Motley Crue's self-titled album, the only one to not feature Vince Neil on vocals. It's a solid album, it just doesn't sound like Crue.
|
|
Mozenrath
FANatic
Foppery and Whim
Speedy Speed Boy
Posts: 121,078
|
Post by Mozenrath on May 27, 2015 18:01:29 GMT -5
Glad no one is trying to say this for "Lulu". That one, I think would have not done well regardless.
|
|
|
Post by Limity (BLM) on May 27, 2015 19:38:47 GMT -5
Megadeth's Risk album. It had some great songs on it, like Insomnia, The Doctor is Calling, Prince of Darkness, Time. And while it also had some god awful songs, like Crush Em, Breadline, and Wanderlust, I think without the expectations and preconceived notions of the Megadeth name, it would have done better.
|
|
|
Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 27, 2015 20:18:22 GMT -5
I am going to say Nas- Nastradamus. Leaned a bit to the "jiggy" side of things that were pretty popular right after BIG'S death. Still, I recently listened to it, and in retrospect, it is not as commercial as it was claimed to be at the time. If a new MC dropped that album, people probably would have been like "this is dope". However, it will forever be remembered as Nas's most blatant and failed attempt at mainstream. It is one of the two albums that Jay Z referred to as "doo". Also, I don't care. Making a song about murder to the style of Carol of the Belle is still one of my favorite things Nas has done. That album f***ing sucks. Commercial or not, it was rushed to create tracks to make up for the ones early MP3 bootleggers alreadys leaked to the street and we got half-assed awful dance music. I Am is a C-/D+ at best, but at least that album has the all time Nas classic "Nas is Like." Nastradamus has f***ing nothing, and it's largely Nas' fault. It's doo, plain and simple. You Owe Me was my jam on the radio.
|
|
|
Post by Porky's Butthole on May 27, 2015 20:42:53 GMT -5
I actually liked Until It Sleeps.
That being said, Load was the most fitting album title of all time. It was just a big f***ing load.
|
|
Vampiro138
Hank Scorpio
the greatest vampire in the HISTORY of our sport
Posts: 5,748
|
Post by Vampiro138 on May 27, 2015 21:41:37 GMT -5
im gonna go with Chinese Democracy, most of it was the hype of this album being so many years and so much money in the making, and alot of people just couldnt let go of the fact its a guns n' roses album without Slash. I do know a few review sites have gone back in the last year and a half and said that when they listen to it again its held up really well and their initial reviews were off the base and more clouded via it being gnr with no slash. I cant hate an album that has Buckethead writing with Axl's lyrics. its a very interesting album to look at, Axl only has one sole writing credit, its pretty far from a solo axl album, some of the songs "better" "shacklers revenge" "scraped" all were pretty much written fully and all Axl did was write words for it. he didnt even solely choose the tracklist for it, the entire band voted and for whatever reason Izzy was given a vote too. I feel alot of hate was that it was GNR without Slash, too ballad heavy like use your illusion 2 was, and the first single has an intro of about a minute where theres no music just chinese whispers over siren going off. i feel some editing on those tracks and more rock songs would be a better complete album but its still a pretty good album but what leads it to alot of hate is the fact its released under the guns n' roses name, if Axl had another band name or just called it "rose" it would be more appreciated by people.
and i also have to say Misfits - American Psycho, to me it was a really solid album, Graves isnt Danzig but the writing i felt was good, it felt like a punk album. stuff like "the hunger" "resurrection" "dig up her bones" "mars attacks" are really really great stuff. i think alot of the community dismissed it right away via it being Misfits without Danzig, and the fact this "punk" band released something on friggin geffen records. If they called themselves anything other than the misfits i feel it would get alot more praise.
|
|
cityboy
Trap-Jaw
MVC 3-0 MCY
Posts: 465
|
Post by cityboy on May 28, 2015 5:34:02 GMT -5
I often joke Smashing Pumpkins Adore would have been better received if they changed their name to Radiohead especially as Kid A was better received than Adore despite them being very similar concepts at their core.
|
|
|
Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 28, 2015 5:43:19 GMT -5
OP, you already mentioned Load & ReLoad, but would St. Anger have been taken the same way if a new band had put it out and not Metallica? No, i feel like it would be said there's potential, but the production would've still been panned and alot of songs going alot longer than they should. it would've been forgotten. it's a terrible album and an up-and-coming band who sounded like that wouldn't get a second look from a major label. there's also significantly better indie bands playing thrash, so even in the metal underground it'd be a curiosity and nothing more.
|
|
|
Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 28, 2015 6:03:01 GMT -5
It's not like Pros and Cons did Floydian numbers. Nobody knew who Roger was until he started suing the band in '85. I meant critically. Ah, well that I agree on. For the record, The Final Cut is my favourite Pink Floyd album. Never heard anything like it by them or anyone else. Like I said before, I certainly don't think they're perfect albums. However, if another band puts out either, I think they would've been praised a bit more. I'll always respect Metallica for trying something different and doing what they wanted. You never really know what you're going to get with a new Metallica album. You can't say the same for a lot of other bands (Slayer and AC/DC, for example). I do respect them for that, I never bought that they "sold out". Selling out would've been to make the Black Album five more times and being bored with their music. Agree that it would've been better received by a new band. There wouldn't be anything to compare it to, the change was so jarring that critics sort of have to talk about it and compare. THANKYOU. So few people seem to be of this opinion. 'Man, they sold out!' ...They sold out by releasing albums that were obviously going to sell way less, and were completely out of their comfort zone? Honestly, I think they finally ACTUALLY sold out when they did Death Magnetic, which was like saying 'hey fans, we're sorry for trying to expand ourselves as musicians these past 20 years, we'll just re-record all our old songs with different words.' Honestly, singing 'Fade To Black' over 'The Day That Never Comes' works perfectly. There's some great stuff on Load and ReLoad, especially if you disregard the source. I'm a huge country fan, and 'Mama Said' is surprisingly convincing. Someone already said 'Until It Sleeps,' and I still love 'The Outlaw Torn,' that's some epic shit. Although, and this isn't quite related, I think they'd probably have been more successful albums had the first one not opened with 'Ain't My Bitch,' which is probably the worst 20th Century Metallica song I have ever heard.
|
|
|
Post by Danimal on May 28, 2015 9:21:53 GMT -5
Like I said before, I certainly don't think they're perfect albums. However, if another band puts out either, I think they would've been praised a bit more. I'll always respect Metallica for trying something different and doing what they wanted. You never really know what you're going to get with a new Metallica album. You can't say the same for a lot of other bands (Slayer and AC/DC, for example). I do respect them for that, I never bought that they "sold out". Selling out would've been to make the Black Album five more times and being bored with their music. Agree that it would've been better received by a new band. There wouldn't be anything to compare it to, the change was so jarring that critics sort of have to talk about it and compare. Ya, while the Black album was certainly commercial that was just the start of them doing different stuff in general to varying levels of critical and commercial success. What sellout band would put-out an album like Lulu? Some are still pissed that they didn't keep churning-out Master of Puppets, but it isn't like they kept churning-out the Black album either.
|
|
AFN: Judge Shred
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Wanted to change his doohicky.
Member of The Bluetista Buyers Club
Posts: 18,221
|
Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 28, 2015 16:31:29 GMT -5
....put out under a different band name. What I am talking about is the albums put out by bands that usually go in a different direction sound wise and alot of people did not like it at the time, but if it wasn't for knowing what the band did earlier and was under a different name, people probably would've been saying what a great album it was. So lets list those type of albums! Ah yes the load's by Metallica, while I do think there is an appreciation out there, for the most part people did not like these because well its not the metallica they knew and love! It was even different than the black album was going in a more bluesy direction. But these are underrated imo, and if they weren't out out by a band best known by their thrash metal stuff, would've been greatly received in the 90s if put under a different band name than metallica. Both have mostly solid tracks, while reload during the 2nd half may have a few tracks that are just ok, alot of the songs are good, its just that a track like Bleeding Me was probably a turn off to the "metal" fans, but when you actually listen to it, its an awesome track. So I say these 2 for sure, and I know usually Reload gets panned a but more, but I like it, yea it has a few more filler songs near the end, but the strong songs are really strong. My favorite 2 Metallica albums that aren't S&M and Garage Inc. I understand why people hated them, they basically were the first real pop metal albums to be hugely prominent. But there is just some catchy shit on there.
|
|
Ultimo Gallos
Grimlock
Dreams SUCK!Nightmares live FOREVER!
Posts: 14,404
|
Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 29, 2015 0:11:47 GMT -5
Bad Religion Into the Unknown
If they put this out under a different name it wouldn't be as hated as it is.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 0:40:43 GMT -5
The albums suffered from typical "double album syndrome". If they had taken the 3/4 or so of Load that was good, and combined them with the 1/4 or so of Reload that was good, they would have had another classic on their hands in my opinion. I actually think the overload (pun intended) of filler was the problem, not the change in style. It still sounded like Metallica to me, and I say this as one of their biggest fans. Every one of their albums, even in the early days had a different style/sound. Master Of Puppets sounds nothing like Kill Em All, and Ride The Lightning sounds nothing like Justice for example.
As for Maiden who were brought up, I agree that X Factor put out by a different band would have probably been more beloved, but Virtual XI was a mess, at least to me, regardless of what band recorded it.
|
|
AFN: Judge Shred
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Wanted to change his doohicky.
Member of The Bluetista Buyers Club
Posts: 18,221
|
Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 29, 2015 0:56:32 GMT -5
Bad Religion Into the Unknown If they put this out under a different name it wouldn't be as hated as it is. Shoot, I remember how hated the Grey Race was because they "sold out". Meanwhile I count it as their best album ever. New America got hate too and it was fantastic, just different, but really damned smart.
|
|
Ultimo Gallos
Grimlock
Dreams SUCK!Nightmares live FOREVER!
Posts: 14,404
|
Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 29, 2015 16:00:09 GMT -5
Bad Religion Into the Unknown If they put this out under a different name it wouldn't be as hated as it is. Shoot, I remember how hated the Grey Race was because they "sold out". Meanwhile I count it as their best album ever. New America got hate too and it was fantastic, just different, but really damned smart. Gray race is a good album. I got a pre-release copy about 3 months before it was released. My favorite album from them is still "How can hell be any worse".But then so far I have enjoyed everyone of their albums. Went through the trouble 15 years ago of tracking down a copy of Into the Unknown.
|
|
Glitch
King Koopa
Not Going To Die; Childs, we're goin' out to give Blair the test. If he tries to make it back here and we're not with him... burn him.
Watching you.
Posts: 12,716
|
Post by Glitch on May 30, 2015 0:45:32 GMT -5
It isn't just because metallica released Load that was the problem. Lars said that metal was dead, and it came right in the mid 90s(when metal was pretty much being stamped out). It was probably the biggest slap in the face to any metal head when you think about it. Had Metallica released this during the early 2000s, and if lars hadn't said that, the response wouldn't have been that bad. Maybe some backlash but not on that level.
|
|
|
Post by wildojinx on May 30, 2015 0:54:38 GMT -5
As for the Load albums, theyre not that bad to be honest. From Load i like Aint My Bitch, King Nothing, Hero of the Day (up there with classic metallica ballads like One and Welcome Home, and better than Nothing Else Matters), Cure, Ronnie, and The Outlaw Torn, while Reload has The Memory Remains, Unforgiven II, Carpe Diem Baby, Attitude, and Fixxer. That said, they do have lots of filler on them (Thorn Within, Slither, etc, but thats just my opinion).
|
|
Dr. T is an alien
Patti Mayonnaise
Knows when to hold them, knows when to fold them
I've been found out!
Posts: 31,359
|
Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 30, 2015 1:50:08 GMT -5
As for the Load albums, theyre not that bad to be honest. From Load i like Aint My Bitch, King Nothing, Hero of the Day (up there with classic metallica ballads like One and Welcome Home, and better than Nothing Else Matters), Cure, Ronnie, and The Outlaw Torn, while Reload has The Memory Remains, Unforgiven II, Carpe Diem Baby, Attitude, and Fixxer. That said, they do have lots of filler on them (Thorn Within, Slither, etc, but thats just my opinion). Reload also had Fuel, which I loved. im gonna go with Chinese Democracy, most of it was the hype of this album being so many years and so much money in the making, and alot of people just couldnt let go of the fact its a guns n' roses album without Slash. I do know a few review sites have gone back in the last year and a half and said that when they listen to it again its held up really well and their initial reviews were off the base and more clouded via it being gnr with no slash. I cant hate an album that has Buckethead writing with Axl's lyrics. its a very interesting album to look at, Axl only has one sole writing credit, its pretty far from a solo axl album, some of the songs "better" "shacklers revenge" "scraped" all were pretty much written fully and all Axl did was write words for it. he didnt even solely choose the tracklist for it, the entire band voted and for whatever reason Izzy was given a vote too. I feel alot of hate was that it was GNR without Slash, too ballad heavy like use your illusion 2 was, and the first single has an intro of about a minute where theres no music just chinese whispers over siren going off. i feel some editing on those tracks and more rock songs would be a better complete album but its still a pretty good album but what leads it to alot of hate is the fact its released under the guns n' roses name, if Axl had another band name or just called it "rose" it would be more appreciated by people. Hell, if it had simply been released as a Buckethead album featuring Axl Rose it probably would have been over like Rover.
|
|
Urethra Franklin
King Koopa
When Toronto sports teams lose, Alison Brie is sad
Posts: 11,089
|
Post by Urethra Franklin on May 30, 2015 3:15:40 GMT -5
Paul's Boutique.
It's a critically acclaimed masterpiece now, but nobody was expecting that from the guys who made License to Ill and that scared fans and critics back then.
|
|