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Post by badkarma on May 30, 2015 16:32:24 GMT -5
^^^* As someone who watched a ton of ROH and TNA in their early days, I'd argue that ROH already had its style and that the X-Division was "ROH on speed". For the record, I did prefer the X Division style more, but ROH was better booked. Agreed.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 1, 2015 20:00:00 GMT -5
Nope and because even ROH guys who got hired were guys that worked in the other big indies and in Japan. ECW guys for the most part were ECW and that is it. That's not really true. A very large amount of the guys in ECW were veterans, especially the guys that were in the upper half of the card. Douglas, Tazz, Jericho, Storm, Benoit, Bigelow, Funk, Austin, Sandman, Raven, Eddie G., Candido, Lynn, Spicolli, Credible, Victory, Rich & Smothers, Snow, Scorpio, RVD, Malenko, Axl Rotten, Mahoney - All of them had already had runs in prominent places like Smokey Mountain, Watts' UWF, Global, Memphis, WCW and WWF.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 21:58:15 GMT -5
They will both be remembered in history as being equally impactful in their respective eras, especially with the way things have been going in the WWE system the past year or two, with more and more ROH alumni being slotted into key roles.
ROH has already been around longer than ECW. Keep in mind they were some of the best exposure for certain guys early on. While they were Shawn Michaels students, it was in ROH that Paul London and Spanky were actually noticed for their in-ring talent.
Never mind that Bryan, Punk, Rollins, Owens, Zayn, etc. were ROH guys and are now (or in recent years have been) positioned as top WWE prospects/headliners. You also have people like Sara Del Rey acting as one of the top producers and trainers within their system, Jimmy Jacobs is now on the writing team, Adam Pearce has been hired as a producer/trainer as well, etc. When all is said and done, ROH's influence on WWE over the next year or two going forward will prove to be even greater than it seems thus far.
I'd say it's likely that guys like Adam Cole and Kyle O'Reilly will be under some sort of WWE deal within the next two years, and Samoa Joe under an actual (more exclusive) deal.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 1, 2015 22:00:20 GMT -5
They're both noteworthy, but for entirely different things. ECW changed the game. Straight up. This shitty little bingo hall indy fed made the big two sit up, take notice, and actively changed the way they presented their product. ROH, by contrast, is a testament to slow, deliberate growth, and being a true alternative to the mass market attraction. Both have their way. Wrestling history books will have more chapters on ECW, but ROH isn't as far behind as people would say on a kneejerk.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 1:40:47 GMT -5
When you think about it, without ECW, there wouldn't be a ROH. I'd say that ECW is more significant to history then ROH is atm.
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Post by fw91 on Jun 3, 2015 1:54:55 GMT -5
ECW was successful when professional wrestling was at it's peak in popularity, spawned the attitude era, and was very well known by the casual fan. Many casuals probably have no clue what ROH is. IMO, ROH is only as popular as it is because there is no other major league promotion besides the E. ECW thrived to national notice despite two Major league promotions running the business. In short ECW was considered one of the "Big 3" in a boom period. No matter how good ROH may be, it's still looked at as minor leagues when pro wrestling isn't big.
Sorry to sound condescending, but that's pretty much it.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Jun 3, 2015 2:21:56 GMT -5
As for right now, ECW changed every aspect of pro wrestling. The wrestlers, how it was shown and presented, the style, etc.
ROH right now is confined to the wrestlers and the style and they haven't done anything revolutionary in terms of production and presentation during their entire run.
I think in the end, ROH will have had a bigger influence on the style of WWE wrestling than ECW did, but pro wrestling in 1996 compared to 1999 is a different galaxy in terms of the full package. No three years stretch in ROH history has seen that big of a change.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jun 3, 2015 4:43:04 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Most casuals don't have a clue what ROH is. In the 90s, it didn't matter if you were a hardcore fan or an occasional watcher, everybody knew about ECW. When you think about it, without ECW, there wouldn't be a ROH. I'd say that ECW is more significant to history then ROH is atm. Most definitely. If ECW was still around, ROH wouldn't exist.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jun 3, 2015 15:41:19 GMT -5
I always say that ECW's been vastly overrated in terms of impact and size.
With that being said, Ring of Honor comes nowhere close to being where ECW was.
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Post by Manute Bol on Jun 3, 2015 23:48:52 GMT -5
I think in the future ROH will be highly regarded for the sheer amount of talent that it has produced.
Look at the still-growing list of wrestlers who have made their way from ROH to the WWE. Brian Kendrick, Cesaro, CM Punk, Colt Cabana, Daniel Bryan, Evan Bourne, Hideo Itami, Kaval, Kevin Owens, Luke Harper, Mickie James, Paul London, Sami Zayn, Samoa Joe, and Seth Rollins. Ace Steel and Chris Hero both made it as far as developmental, and even Dean Ambrose, Matt Striker, and Solomon Crowe made a handful of appearances in ROH prior to going to the WWE.
Not to mention Adam Pearce, Jimmy Jacobs, and Sara Del Ray all getting involved behind the scenes.
Then consider all those who got their start in, or were at least elevated by, ROH and went on to TNA: A.J. Styles, Alex Shelley, Amazing Red, Austin Aries, Becky Bayless, Christopher Daniels, Davey Richards, Doug Williams, Eddie Edwards, Homicide, Jay Lethal, Jimmy Rave, Kenny King, Michael Shane, Nigel McGuinness, Roderick Strong, The S.A.T., Simply Luscious, The Young Bucks, and probably a whole lot more that I'm forgetting right now.
Even add Matt Cross who is now in Lucha Underground, and Adam Cole, B.J. Whitmer, The Briscoes, Delirious, Jack Evans, Julius Smokes, Larry Sweeney, Michael Elgin, Necro Butcher, Prince Nana, Rhett Titus, Ricky Reyes, and Rocky Romero.
That's a hell of a lot of talent who have passed through ROH during their formative years. I think as the changing of the guard occurs (slow as it might be to do so), ROH will be looked at very reverently for giving such a vast amount of people a place to showcase their talents.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 4, 2015 0:02:35 GMT -5
Most definitely. If ECW was still around, ROH wouldn't exist. Yeah, because if ECW never died off Feinstein wouldn't have to find a way to keep the business ECW gave him, and wouldn't have created ROH. But ROH was what Heyman said he saw the future of wrestling was (and has begun) with the huge puro and MMA influences.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 4, 2015 0:12:28 GMT -5
No, but that said, ECW's story is over, and we've had years between it and now for it to be what it is. ROH is ongoing, and its story isn't over yet, so there's no real telling where its place in history will be.
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