Who was hurt more from feuding with Cena?

[Starshine]

So at the last two Mania's we saw Cena out of the coveted world title picture and instead facing off against a hot undefeated heel in a match many felt could make said both guys. You had the engimatic Bray Wyatt, cult leader, the man who claimed Cena was a fraud and he would break his will. Then one year later you had Russian/Bulgarian powerhouse Rusev who had crushed everyone in his path and had gained the ire of the former Doctor of Thuganomics. It's an age old tale, a hot new prospect steps up to the man who holds the mountain in the hopes of toppling him off his perch. Naturally it's a story that can rarely go wrong.

Well...




...Let's just say sometimes rarely becomes the norm.

Since last year we've seen Wyatt lose his stable, engage in repetitive feuds, babble about vague ramblings, and generally do a whole lot of nothing of substance. This is even taking into consideration his win over Cena via singing demon child, which really just broke all suspension of disbelief. On the other hand Rusev, despite dominating the prior year, was beaten three times in a row, lost his manager, and most of his credibility. Don't believe me, just remember a lot of people thought Rusev/Lesnar was a possible thing earlier this year. Now? Ha!

Recently Cena also ended the undefeated streak of Kevin Owens, though as of now things still seem to be okay. Though time will tell if hustle loyalty and respect will weather another force into dust. Fingers crossed that this third time's the charm.

But back on point, between Rusev and Wyatt, who got it worse?

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We'll have to see but from my opinion possibly Rusev. He lost his mouthpiece, his girl, his title, his foot is f***ed, he's just a different man, Rusev's lost his dignity. Bray's at least in major angles and matches like MITB, Ambrose feud, Taker feud, Reigns feud, stuff like that and he's at least being made out to be the "damn this guy is a monster" guy rather than Rusev who's literally being thwarted by the system.

If Bray was going against lower card guys I'd agree but they're having him face major dudes. Rusev's just getting embarrassed.

[Mayonnaise]

Wyatt could have rebounded but that shitty Jericho feud and Vince deciding the Jericho needed a win or he's pointless hurt him the most. Rusev lost just about his whole gimmick thanks to Cena but hard to say the full extent of the damage since he got injured.

[Crimson]

No "They were hurt from shitty booking after the feud" option?

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Wyatt hasn't been hurt from dropping a match here and there against anyone. His aimless feuds are all that have hurt him.

There's no reason at all to care about who wins a Bray Wyatt match. Nothing happens.

[Starshine]

Jun 15, 2015 19:41:18 GMT -5 @bootytime said:

Wyatt hasn't been hurt from dropping a match here and there against anyone. His aimless feuds are all that have hurt him.

There's no reason at all to care about who wins a Bray Wyatt match. Nothing happens.

True.

But at the same time, he was pretty damn hot *licks lips* leading into the Cena match at Mania. He had undeniably lost a lot of that steam by the time it was over.

[wisdomwizard]

If not for his ankle (and really, why exactly can't he start wrestling in shoes?), Rusev would be fine. I'd say that's holding him back far more. He doesn't need Lana, he's been fine on the mic. As for Wyatt, I don't see how people wouldn't have gotten sick of his fueds even if he had beat Cena.



Neither of these two got "ruined" by Cena.

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Jun 15, 2015 19:46:08 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Jun 15, 2015 19:41:18 GMT -5 @bootytime said:

Wyatt hasn't been hurt from dropping a match here and there against anyone. His aimless feuds are all that have hurt him.

There's no reason at all to care about who wins a Bray Wyatt match. Nothing happens.

True.

But at the same time, he was pretty damn hot *licks lips* leading into the Cena match at Mania. He had undeniably lost a lot of that steam by the time it was over.

He definitely did but I don't think it was because of match results.

There was an opportunity to do something interesting with the kids on his side singing the song. Nothing happened, feud ended...then Wyatt just sorta moved on. If I remember right he moved on to that heatless Jericho feud after that which made it worse.

When Bray wins/loses a match, the exact same promo happens the next time he meets his feud opponent. He barely even references anything that has occurred.

[Starshine]

Jun 15, 2015 19:50:54 GMT -5 wisdomwizard said:

If not for his ankle (and really, why exactly can't he start wrestling in shoes?), Rusev would be fine. I'd say that's holding him back far more. He doesn't need Lana, he's been fine on the mic. As for Wyatt, I don't see how people wouldn't have gotten sick of his fueds even if he had beat Cena.



Neither of these two got "ruined" by Cena.

...I never asked if they got ruined.

[mrbananagrabber]

Way too early to tell with Rusev. If the stupid Vince rumours are to be ignored, the amount of screen, and most importantly solid promo time he's being given can't be a coincidence. They need to know he's more than some generic hoss.

Remember, he's only ever lost to Cena, and when he eventually comes back it will be easy to build him up again. Put it this way, I could imagine Rusev vs Lesnar more than that f***ing boring goof Sheamus.

[wisdomwizard]

Jun 15, 2015 19:56:19 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Jun 15, 2015 19:50:54 GMT -5 wisdomwizard said:

If not for his ankle (and really, why exactly can't he start wrestling in shoes?), Rusev would be fine. I'd say that's holding him back far more. He doesn't need Lana, he's been fine on the mic. As for Wyatt, I don't see how people wouldn't have gotten sick of his fueds even if he had beat Cena.



Neither of these two got "ruined" by Cena.

...I never asked if they got ruined.

.....And I never specifically said YOU did, I was talking in general to wingnut fans out there like on YouTube or wherever.

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Jun 15, 2015 19:50:54 GMT -5 wisdomwizard said:

If not for his ankle (and really, why exactly can't he start wrestling in shoes?), Rusev would be fine. I'd say that's holding him back far more. He doesn't need Lana, he's been fine on the mic. As for Wyatt, I don't see how people wouldn't have gotten sick of his fueds even if he had beat Cena.



Neither of these two got "ruined" by Cena.

Yeah, Wyatt would probably having these same random feuds if he had beaten Cena

[Starshine]

Ok, I feel like I need to clarify something. Whatever happened to them afterwards isn't really what this was about.

It's about two guys who had been built up for the better part of a year, went on to have a huge match against the flagship of the show, and by the end of their respective feuds weren't a strong as when they walked in.

That's what this is about. Not about how crappy the Wyatt/Jericho feud was. I'm asking between the two who arguably peaked at their initial matches with Cena fell further when it was over.

This isn't about Cena "ruining" anyone or anything like that, it's about badly designed angles that hurt potential stars. That's it.

[kevin]

Neither one was hurt by feuding with Cena at all.

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Jun 15, 2015 20:43:09 GMT -5 kevin said:

Neither one was hurt by feuding with Cena at all.

Rusev was hurt by feuding with Cena. He should still be fine, but he was better before he went in.

Wyatt came out about the same. I don't think he was affected at all since as I said above, unless he went on a jobbing spree or something nothing he does seems to matter.