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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 18, 2015 9:11:42 GMT -5
Following on from the fan theories thread...
I love when people who make a piece of art give enough of a shit about it to paper over the cracks in the storytelling.
In Cheers, Frasier Crane says his father was also a doctor, and is dead - of course, he then shows up in Frasier as an ex-cop.
To the credit of the showrunners for Frasier, they raised this when Woody showed up in an episode as Frasier being mad at his dad after an arugment and lying out of hurt. I love this explanation, it fits with the narrative as their relationship was strained in the early series.
What are some retcons that you particularly enjoyed?
As for least favourite retcons? Depending on how you look at it, the DC relaunch that meant the Ted Kord Blue Beetle had never existed pissed me off so much I've not bought a comic since, but that might be something to type up later on...
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 18, 2015 9:20:30 GMT -5
favorite:
-Wolverine Origins and X-men 3 never happened
-Grant Morrison decides he's being pointlessly cruel to Animal Man and gives him his family back
least favorite:
-One More Day
-Wally West doesn't exist, then gets replaced with a fraud
-Magneto wasn't Xorn, it was some guy impersonating his brother impersonating Magneto
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 18, 2015 10:50:17 GMT -5
Least favorite: New 52, in general.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jun 18, 2015 10:57:45 GMT -5
It was when Sam visited Frasier that he said he was angry at his father so he said he was dead. He also never mentioned having a brother when he was in Boston.
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Post by hossfan on Jun 18, 2015 11:01:09 GMT -5
Best: Some may argue that this isn't technically a retcon, since his backstory was never developed beforehand, but revealing Magneto as a survivor of the Nazi concentration camps gave him a new level of complexity that transformed him into one of Marvel's most well known villains.
Worst: "Sins Past". Gwen Stacy got seduced and knocked up by Norman Osborn, bearing two of his children who would in turn age artificially and try and murder Spider-Man. A story so stupid it makes "One More Day" seem like "Kraven's Last Hunt".
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 18, 2015 11:02:26 GMT -5
Worst = Sandman killed Uncle Ben....but it was just an accident....because he needed money.....for his sick daughter. Get a job, loser!
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Jun 18, 2015 11:14:40 GMT -5
Least Favourite = New 52 Mr.Freeze and his relationship with Nora. Went from a guy that would do despicable things for the chance to get the love of his life back to just another Batman villain wackjob that needlessly became creepy and unhinged in a rogues gallery that is already filled with that type of villain.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 11:16:42 GMT -5
Worst: Hal Jordan and Parallax. Okay, yeah, Hal's heel turn was a little...rushed, but it was pretty momentous that a guy who'd been firmly good (if dumb) over the years became a galactic threat. Trying to kick off the relaunch of his green lantern career with "Oh, he was actually possessed in a moment of weakness" as opposed to "He got old, snapped, and hell broke loose" still seems so wrong even after they established this Rainbow Corps stuff.
Best: No, folks, Rocky V didn't happen. Stallone has spoken. Like Star Trek, it just went from IV to VI. It works so well, because Rocky VI occurs in like, 2006, so Rocky's become kind of a footnote in the biz without fading into complete poverty and irrelevance like in V. They erased a whole movie with little to no damage to the overall plot. THAT's a retcon.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jun 18, 2015 11:20:28 GMT -5
Worst: "Sins Past". Gwen Stacy got seduced and knocked up by Norman Osborn, bearing two of his children who would in turn age artificially and try and murder Spider-Man. A story so stupid it makes "One More Day" seem like "Kraven's Last Hunt". Who the f*** thought that was a good idea?! |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2015 11:30:10 GMT -5
Least Favourite = New 52 Mr.Freeze and his relationship with Nora. Went from a guy that would do despicable things for the chance to get the love of his life back to just another Batman villain wackjob that needlessly became creepy and unhinged in a rogues gallery that is already filled with that type of villain. Worst: "Sins Past". Gwen Stacy got seduced and knocked up by Norman Osborn, bearing two of his children who would in turn age artificially and try and murder Spider-Man. These are all on my least favorite... I'll think a bit on my most favorite... because in general I tend to hate them... though of the New 52 I don't hate Barbara Gordon being Batgirl again... just kinda wish they didn't completely remove the other two from continuity for no real reason... |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 18, 2015 11:38:47 GMT -5
Worst: Hal Jordan and Parallax. Okay, yeah, Hal's heel turn was a little...rushed, but it was pretty momentous that a guy who'd been firmly good (if dumb) over the years became a galactic threat. Trying to kick off the relaunch of his green lantern career with "Oh, he was actually possessed in a moment of weakness" as opposed to "He got old, snapped, and hell broke loose" still seems so wrong even after they established this Rainbow Corps stuff. Best: No, folks, Rocky V didn't happen. Stallone has spoken. Like Star Trek, it just went from IV to VI. It works so well, because Rocky VI occurs in like, 2006, so Rocky's become kind of a footnote in the biz without fading into complete poverty and irrelevance like in V. They erased a whole movie with little to no damage to the overall plot. THAT's a retcon. I like Rocky V, but it's too damn depressing to have remained part of the canon with Rocky losing all his money. I figure that when Adrian died, he sold his mansion and bought a restaurant. |
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jun 18, 2015 11:42:08 GMT -5
Best: Some may argue that this isn't technically a retcon, since his backstory was never developed beforehand, but revealing Magneto as a survivor of the Nazi concentration camps gave him a new level of complexity that transformed him into one of Marvel's most well known villains. Also, Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch weren't planned to be Magneto's children when they were introduced. That came about later and I wish I could find the article that had the scanned images, but Magneto and Quicksilver didn't always have the same white hairstyle. |
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Post by hossfan on Jun 18, 2015 12:35:16 GMT -5
Best: Some may argue that this isn't technically a retcon, since his backstory was never developed beforehand, but revealing Magneto as a survivor of the Nazi concentration camps gave him a new level of complexity that transformed him into one of Marvel's most well known villains. Also, Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch weren't planned to be Magneto's children when they were introduced. That came about later and I wish I could find the article that had the scanned images, but Magneto and Quicksilver didn't always have the same white hairstyle. I would say having Magneto be the twins' father is another example of a retcon that worked very well. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2015 12:45:05 GMT -5
Also, Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch weren't planned to be Magneto's children when they were introduced. That came about later and I wish I could find the article that had the scanned images, but Magneto and Quicksilver didn't always have the same white hairstyle. I would say having Magneto be the twins' father is another example of a retcon that worked very well. and now they've retconned that retcon  |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 18, 2015 13:10:31 GMT -5
Nobody shot JR, it was just a dream. So was Peg Bundy's pregnancy.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 18, 2015 13:40:22 GMT -5
Nobody shot JR, it was just a dream. So was Peg Bundy's pregnancy. I'll see you that and raise you Newhart existed as a dream of Robert Hartley's from The Bob Newhart Show. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 18, 2015 14:16:44 GMT -5
Nobody shot JR, it was just a dream. So was Peg Bundy's pregnancy. I'll see you that and raise you Newhart existed as a dream of Robert Hartley's from The Bob Newhart Show. I'll see and raise Vince McMahon's whole feud with the Ministry being an elaborate ruse to play mind games with Steve Austin |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2015 14:18:48 GMT -5
I'll see you that and raise you Newhart existed as a dream of Robert Hartley's from The Bob Newhart Show. I'll see and raise Vince McMahon's whole feud with the Ministry being an elaborate ruse to play mind games with Steve Austin I'll see you and raise that St. Elsewhere and therefore almost all of television is really an autistic child's daydream |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 18, 2015 14:29:59 GMT -5
"No. I am your father."
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jun 18, 2015 14:32:19 GMT -5
Worst: Hal Jordan and Parallax. Okay, yeah, Hal's heel turn was a little...rushed, but it was pretty momentous that a guy who'd been firmly good (if dumb) over the years became a galactic threat. Trying to kick off the relaunch of his green lantern career with "Oh, he was actually possessed in a moment of weakness" as opposed to "He got old, snapped, and hell broke loose" still seems so wrong even after they established this Rainbow Corps stuff. Best: No, folks, Rocky V didn't happen. Stallone has spoken. Like Star Trek, it just went from IV to VI. It works so well, because Rocky VI occurs in like, 2006, so Rocky's become kind of a footnote in the biz without fading into complete poverty and irrelevance like in V. They erased a whole movie with little to no damage to the overall plot. THAT's a retcon. That Hal Jordan/Parallax retcon put me off comics for several years. |
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