|
Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 22, 2015 23:49:32 GMT -5
I'm not much of a fan of vulgar chants any more. "Asshole" being the strongest word I'd feel comfortable using. That said, if you're at a PWG or CZW or another promotion where kids aren't expected or things are over the top feel free to let loose. I just feel weird sitting at an ROH show, seeing kids around and hearing "f*** you ----" or "You f***ed up".
Speaking of "You f***ed up" I don't like that one at all. Like at the ROH PPV, Elgin slipped on the double stomp and the crowd went straight for that, while he was covering it and getting back to where he was supposed to be. I've even heard a few times someone was laying on the ground hurt which is just wrong.
Hate "We are awesome". Not indie that I know of but an automatic show killer for me.
Finally, while I don't hate "This is awesome", people need to dial back on it. Yeah, some matches deserve it at the start, but a random match between a local job guy and a student doesn't. Maybe come up with something new.
|
|
|
Post by Red Impact on Jun 22, 2015 23:59:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm good with nearly every chant I've heard. The only one I didn't like was "What?" which died down in WWE a lot, and that's because it more or less derailed a lot of promos. Other than that, rowdy crowds are awesome, even douchily self aware ones like the post-Mania one this past year.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 0:02:36 GMT -5
I pointed out in the Best in the World thread that "We Want Tables" or "We Want ____" just reeks of entitlement akin to the classic "play Freebird" joke. Just let the performers perform, don't try and dictate the pace for them.
"We Are Awesome" was pretty hilarious the first time it happened because that crowd really did make the show that night IMO. Every other time since then has simply been a case of doing it because it was funny the first time and they didn't get to be a part of it.
"This is Wrestling" is a dumb one, but I think the idea of it is to be a way to tell WWE to stuff it with their need to try and avoid the pro wrestling stigma.
"You still got it" is usually inappropriate most times. Ricky Steamboat's comeback matches were a perfect time for that sort of thing, Jay Lethal's first match back in ROH? Not so much, and that actually happened.
I do wish fans would play along with heels/faces more. It really seems random at times when a crowd is willing to participate in the show or just make duelling chants out of everything. I get cases like Cena and Roman Reigns when it's transparent that they're pushing a guy when you'd rather have something else, but generally the good heels are always treated with cheers when the wrestlers themselves would probably rather you played along and booed. It's a lot funner to watch heels get heat than it is to see heels be everyone's hero.
|
|
FinalGwen
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Particularly fond of muffins.
Posts: 16,434
|
Post by FinalGwen on Jun 23, 2015 0:10:44 GMT -5
Still don't get the vitriol for "We Are Awesome".
Crowd member: "I'm really enjoying myself and want to show my appreciation for the rest of this crowd who are making this such a fun experience!" FAN: "Screw you, you grandstanding jerk! Everyone hates you!"
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 5:10:04 GMT -5
None of them are the worst. I would take a crowd of nonstop chanting over a crowd sitting on their hands. In fact, the passion of a good wrestling crowd is better than most other things out there. People don't go very crazy at concerts anymore, people seem more reserved at sporting events unless it's the playoffs or something, but wrestling fans are there to have a good time and either praise what they enjoy or crap all over what they hate. I couldn't possibly have a problem with people who are actually showing enthusiasm.
|
|
|
Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 23, 2015 5:35:28 GMT -5
not a fan of slut-shaming or homophobic chants.
not a fan of any self-fellating "we are awesome" type stuff either.
only vulgar chants I have any time for these days are "asshole" and "shut the f*** up".
|
|
Reflecto
Hank Scorpio
The Sorceress' Knight
Posts: 6,847
|
Post by Reflecto on Jun 23, 2015 7:43:15 GMT -5
Still don't get the vitriol for "We Are Awesome". Crowd member: "I'm really enjoying myself and want to show my appreciation for the rest of this crowd who are making this such a fun experience!" FAN: "Screw you, you grandstanding jerk! Everyone hates you!" Short answer: Because if you chant "WE ARE AWESOME!", you're inherently chanting "WE, NOT YOU, ARE THE SHOW! WE ARE THE STARS, YOU ARE WORTHLESS. THIS SHOW IS ABOUT ME AND ONLY ME, AND MAYBE THESE LESSER BEINGS WHO HAPPEN TO BE HERE!"
|
|
Ultimo Gallos
Grimlock
Dreams SUCK!Nightmares live FOREVER!
Posts: 14,464
|
Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jun 23, 2015 8:23:53 GMT -5
Still don't get the vitriol for "We Are Awesome". Crowd member: "I'm really enjoying myself and want to show my appreciation for the rest of this crowd who are making this such a fun experience!" FAN: "Screw you, you grandstanding jerk! Everyone hates you!" I don't like anytime the crowd tries to get themselves over. If you want to get over go get trained and become a wrestler. And really in my eyes lots of chants are just to get the crowd over. That is why I have come to hate the post WM Raws. If you want to show how much you are enjoying the match cheer loudly. Or say chant the face's name or catchphrase. Hell at local shows I try my best to not cheer any heels. Even though lots of the time my favorites are the heels.
|
|
AdamAFL was sooooo wrong
Hank Scorpio
note to all: he's a pants-less heathen
I Survived The Impact Spoilers 7/22/15-7/30/15
Posts: 7,097
|
Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jun 23, 2015 9:12:29 GMT -5
I'm fine with most chants providing they don't cross a line (homophobia, racism, Benoit etc.) but the one outside of that group that really irks me is "You f***ed up". What benefit does the crowd get out of that? Mistakes happen, everyone is human so why get on this guys/girls back just because he/she made a human error. It's stupid, nasty and can easily knock the performers off their game. If I was getting that chanted at me I'd deliberately half-arse the rest of the match because this crowd clearly doesn't deserve me putting 110% in.
|
|
|
Post by HMARK Center on Jun 23, 2015 10:05:14 GMT -5
I'm not getting why some people are taking this as "better for the crowd to be quiet" rather than "some of these individual chants are obnoxious to me". I MUCH prefer a hyper-loud crowd; it's the reason I'll never forget being at the first ROH show in Manhattan back in 2005, especially once we got the Joe/Lethal vs. Homicide/Low Ki main event; that crowd was nuclear. This is about specific, individual chants, not chanting in and of itself.
|
|
|
Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jun 24, 2015 22:11:32 GMT -5
All of them. Must we only voice our opinions of the show in one voice with everyone else in the crowd? Must we try to get cute and clever with what we're saying? Can't we just, you know...have our own reaction to what we're seeing without worrying about whether or not everyone else in the crowd is having that same reaction?
|
|
Phil Parent
El Dandy
Your Favourite Teacher
Posts: 8,508
|
Post by Phil Parent on Jun 24, 2015 22:25:15 GMT -5
Montreal micro-indy crowds chanting "PE-DO-PHILE! PE-DO-PHILE!" at Jacques Rougeau made him go from "Yeah, indies, let's share talent!" to "f*** your companies, and f*** your fans, and f*** your half-trained spot monkeys, I'M GOING HERMIT KINGDOM ON YOUR ASSES!"
It worked, too. Well, his roster walked out on him twice, including that one time when he lost that guy named Kevin. But he's still in business and they're not.
|
|
Malcolm
Grimlock
Wanted something done about the color of his ring.
Eternally Confused
Posts: 13,482
Member is Online
|
Post by Malcolm on Jun 24, 2015 22:35:32 GMT -5
I'm not getting why some people are taking this as "better for the crowd to be quiet" rather than "some of these individual chants are obnoxious to me". I MUCH prefer a hyper-loud crowd; it's the reason I'll never forget being at the first ROH show in Manhattan back in 2005, especially once we got the Joe/Lethal vs. Homicide/Low Ki main event; that crowd was nuclear. This is about specific, individual chants, not chanting in and of itself. For some people, there's no such thing as middle ground. You're either one way or the other.
|
|
|
Post by Clawley Race on Jun 25, 2015 0:43:21 GMT -5
"Chuck Taylor is the best w..."
oh that's the best
|
|
Beav
Hank Scorpio
OMG... I just realized I'm a Brony.
Posts: 5,556
|
Post by Beav on Jun 25, 2015 1:28:11 GMT -5
My favorite one... I was refing a match between a face lucha tag team (Mexico) and a heel Canada tag team. To get behind the faces (the Mexican team), the crowd chanted USA.
|
|
|
Post by James Fabiano on Jun 25, 2015 12:27:44 GMT -5
Has anyone ever started a "No it isn't" or something to duel with "This is awesome" chants?
Not a chant per se, but there's a certain fan in this area who greets every wrestler that comes out with "You think you're so cool?" ad nauseum (and I do mean NAUSE-um). That's all he does. Literally. It doesn't help that we found out that said fan is really a horrible person #RIR.
|
|
|
Post by froggyfrog on Jun 25, 2015 13:07:37 GMT -5
"This is wrestling". Literally everything pure seeing is wrestling.
"You f***ed up". Not every time but most of the time it's rude and uncalled for. Can work if it's directed at a heel
|
|
|
Post by Hit Girl on Jun 25, 2015 13:14:50 GMT -5
If you book organically, you get organic chants. If the booking is contrived and cliched, the chants will be too.
|
|
|
Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jun 25, 2015 13:25:55 GMT -5
If you book organically, you get organic chants. If the booking is contrived and cliched, the chants will be too. Then apparently all booking is these days.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 22:50:21 GMT -5
I want to ask a question to the poster of this thread. What chants do you like? What chants are okay? Well, I'm not king of the indy crowds, so I don't get to dictate which chants are "okay"; I can simply say which ones I think are obnoxious. Forced chants suck, for me. I hate the notion of crowds being there to largely get themselves over, and too often that's what a lot of the chants come off as. "This is awesome", "this is wrestling", they come off as supremely forced, as "this is what we're supposed to chant right now", rather than organic enjoyment. It confuses me, because I feel like it'd be so much more fun to go to a wrestling show to cheer your favorite wrestlers, yet so often the cheers are just the company name or one of the ones above. Obviously it's not like crowds don't do that (otherwise we wouldn't have dueling chants), but, for example, when we chant the initials of a company instead of the wrestlers' names, eventually the wrestlers start planning their matches around stuff like that, and I don't think it's a good thing. Given that wrestlers are in there to make a living, I just prefer the idea of cheering for the actual talent. There have been some amazing chants made up over the years for certain wrestlers ("Who dat think they gonna beat dat Dog?!" for JYD in New Orleans, or even something as simple as "OLEEEEE OLE OLE OLEEEEE!" for Generico or a Samoa Joe kick), and it makes for a more fun crowd atmosphere and directs the fan attention at where I, personally, think it really should be, on the individual talents. Exactly how I felt at the NXT show I went to 2 weeks ago. It was seriously a night-long stream of chanting. They couldn't stop for longer than about 30 seconds, and the whole time they were sort of buzzing trying to figure out the next chant. It's just f***ing annoying. I joined in on a few, because I felt like chanting for Regal or HOW YOU DOIN and a few other things. But after the first few matches I was starting to roll my eyes at every new chant. Chants are just like anything else, overusing them makes them worthless.
|
|