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Post by jimmyjames on Jul 2, 2015 3:40:24 GMT -5
i dont get what tna/gfw is getting from this nobody cares about tna and gfw is not on tv this just really dumb. GFW is getting name talent, that like Jeff to fill out their cards (and Roode is going to Vegas which is a TV taping so there is something big going down I'd wager), while TNA is getting talent work so they don't all quit and hope for an NXT tryout. That's a great explanation that I hadn't heard before and makes a lot of sense. Foist the payroll of their highest price talent onto GFW if only for a couple of dates and TNA might have the money to pay them later on.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 2, 2015 3:41:43 GMT -5
i dont get what tna/gfw is getting from this nobody cares about tna and gfw is not on tv this just really dumb. TNA gets to be as comfortable as possible before dying a peaceful death while GFW gets to salvage all the good parts and basically be TNA reborn without any of its liabilities.
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Post by King Devitt on Jul 2, 2015 4:48:25 GMT -5
i dont get what tna/gfw is getting from this nobody cares about tna and gfw is not on tv this just really dumb. TNA gets to be as comfortable as possible before dying a peaceful death while GFW gets to salvage all the good parts and basically be TNA reborn without any of its liabilities. I think with the talent they do have that they deserve some kind of rebirth. As long as it's in the image of creating new stars, or elevating people who are ready, then I see this as a positive. Either way I'm glad the wrestlers still get to work, and I'm hoping they all actually get paid.
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Post by SUPES on Jul 8, 2015 20:34:00 GMT -5
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Post by markymark on Jul 8, 2015 23:02:04 GMT -5
Regarding rumors of Jarrett working with country music star Toby Keith, who was rumored to be buying into TNA at one point, The Wrestling Observer Newsletter notes that Keith has told Jarrett he will help with financing GFW only if Jarrett can accomplish a certain thing. We don't know exactly what that term is but it's likely a TV deal.
A tv deal with DA most likely
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Post by Chiral on Jul 8, 2015 23:22:53 GMT -5
I wonder if Jarrett had done any substantial work on GFW before this TNA thing, I have barely heard about it until very recently. Like the procrastinated homework of wrestling promotions.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 8, 2015 23:45:50 GMT -5
I wonder if Jarrett had done any substantial work on GFW before this TNA thing, I have barely heard about it until very recently. Like the procrastinated homework of wrestling promotions. There is a thread in (w)rest covering it. He just started running shows before this, originally was going to be TV only but got some paid shows to hold some events at some minor league baseball parks. Small roster of mainly lower indie names, US NJPW talent and Chris Masters Adonis. officialfan.proboards.com/thread/496470/global-force-wrestling-threadKinda long but the last 10 or so pages is where most of the info is I believe.
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Post by Chiral on Jul 9, 2015 0:00:53 GMT -5
I wonder if Jarrett had done any substantial work on GFW before this TNA thing, I have barely heard about it until very recently. Like the procrastinated homework of wrestling promotions. There is a thread in (w)rest covering it. He just started running shows before this, originally was going to be TV only but got some paid shows to hold some events at some minor league baseball parks. Small roster of mainly lower indie names, US NJPW talent and Chris Masters Adonis. officialfan.proboards.com/thread/496470/global-force-wrestling-threadKinda long but the last 10 or so pages is where most of the info is I believe. Ah, thank you. It's summer so I have enough free time to spend/waste looking through all of this!
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Post by Aya Reiko on Jul 9, 2015 5:15:55 GMT -5
If they air on DA for free, just where in the sweet Hell is TNA's revenue stream? No house shows, PPVs barely exist for them, they economize TV tapings to the point they might as well not exist (they're so heavily papered anyway)... As for the TNA v GFW angle, NOBODY F***ING CARES. Nobody has reason to care. Don Tony puts it best here (warning; language): tl;dw version: Mid-90's NWA had its legacy behind it, ECW had its momentum behind it, the nWo had major stars launching it. GFW has NONE of that. Everyone still watching this hot mess will see it for exactly for what it is, yet another "invasion" power-struggle stable angle.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 9, 2015 7:44:54 GMT -5
That has the interesting quote later on about how TNA is akin to a succubus... Man, that is so damn true. Just look at Kurt Angle.... He's a walking punchline now, with even his bright spots in TNA (let alone those in WWE) looking so far away now. Jeff Hardy as well, gone from being one of the few guys with a following and merch potential to match that of John Cena in WWE, to being just another guy. And then you see it from the other side. AJ Styles, forever the guy that TNA never pulled the trigger on, finally has enough and leaves and is now one of the hottest wrestling talents in the world today. Samoa Joe, same thing. Just over three months after leaving TNA, he's walking into Full Sail Arena as a beloved, respected veteran and it's like a whole new lease of life for him. Those are just the big ones. I'm sure there's more that are doing just fine without TNA.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 9, 2015 8:39:47 GMT -5
Welcome to TNA invasion angle #4532 where the paychecks are made up and the wrestlers don't matter. Tonight's invasion we have James Storm!, Boooooooooooooooooooooooo Rooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!, Magnus!, and Ryan Stiles!
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Jul 9, 2015 15:47:00 GMT -5
Welcome to TNA invasion angle #4532 where the paychecks are made up and the wrestlers don't matter. Tonight's invasion we have James Storm!, Boooooooooooooooooooooooo Rooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!, Magnus!, and Ryan Stiles! No Wayne Brady? MINUS FIVE STARS!
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 9, 2015 16:04:17 GMT -5
A company no one cares about will invade a company barely anyone cares about.
Sounds compelling.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 9, 2015 17:07:58 GMT -5
This invasion is gonna have a lesser impact than XPW invading ECW at that ppv.
I agree with the guy on the Don Tony show that Jeff Jarrett never drew shit, and when Flair strutted you popped but when Jarrett does it, it makes you cringe. I wonder why high profile people in the wrestling business always buried Jarrett, like Mike Graham, Bischoff, and Austin when he said that he was a shitty horseman.
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Post by Hurbster on Jul 9, 2015 19:22:22 GMT -5
Regarding rumors of Jarrett working with country music star Toby Keith, who was rumored to be buying into TNA at one point, The Wrestling Observer Newsletter notes that Keith has told Jarrett he will help with financing GFW only if Jarrett can accomplish a certain thing. We don't know exactly what that term is but it's likely a TV deal. A tv deal with DA most likely
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jul 9, 2015 20:27:53 GMT -5
This invasion is gonna have a lesser impact than XPW invading ECW at that ppv. I agree with the guy on the Don Tony show that Jeff Jarrett never drew shit, and when Flair strutted you popped but when Jarrett does it, it makes you cringe. I wonder why high profile people in the wrestling business always buried Jarrett, like Mike Graham, Bischoff, and Austin when he said that he was a shitty horseman. When Austin was young and working in Memphis, Jarett was apparently quite an asshole to him.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 9, 2015 20:36:29 GMT -5
This invasion is gonna have a lesser impact than XPW invading ECW at that ppv. I agree with the guy on the Don Tony show that Jeff Jarrett never drew shit, and when Flair strutted you popped but when Jarrett does it, it makes you cringe. I wonder why high profile people in the wrestling business always buried Jarrett, like Mike Graham, Bischoff, and Austin when he said that he was a shitty horseman. When Austin was young and working in Memphis, Jarett was apparently quite an asshole to him. "That check ain't gonna get bigger by looking at it." And with those words Jarrett killed any potential chance of working a program with one of the biggest money drawing superstars of all time and who belongs in the Mount Rushmore of pro wrestling. Jeff would've earned more money for a single main event match with Austin than he made for all of his career combined.
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Post by eldandyjamupguy on Jul 9, 2015 21:15:01 GMT -5
Did Jarrett even ever main event a WWE PPV?
For f***s sake, even Maven closed 1.
I'll lower the bar: did he ever even main event an episode of RAW?
That guy nailed it. He's a glorified Greg Gagne or Erik Watts. If his last name was Johnson, would he have ever made it out of Memphis?
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Post by Hanzo on Jul 9, 2015 21:28:49 GMT -5
See, here's the thing: what did TNA do wrong (or didn't do right)?
Because if you think about it, there were people who said "If they just get this big name or that big name, they'll get ratings."
And they didn't. Their ratings were the same all the time.
They had TV, video games, action figures, publicity. But they could never take off. And I'm honestly wondering "Why"?
Let me just say this: The only time I really watched TNA was during the fourth quarter of 2009. I was telling people, "You've just GOT to watch this!" And that's the best kind of advertising: word of mouth. (Then as soon as 2010 started, everything went down the drain.)
Point being: I just don't see how this new promotion will be any different. Have all the wrestlers and TV deals you want, but unless word catches fire, I don't see it becoming any more than what TNA was.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 9, 2015 22:59:39 GMT -5
See, here's the thing: what did TNA do wrong (or didn't do right)? Because if you think about it, there were people who said "If they just get this big name or that big name, they'll get ratings." And they didn't. Their ratings were the same all the time. They had TV, video games, action figures, publicity. But they could never take off. And I'm honestly wondering "Why"? Let me just say this: The only time I really watched TNA was during the fourth quarter of 2009. I was telling people, "You've just GOT to watch this!" And that's the best kind of advertising: word of mouth. (Then as soon as 2010 started, everything went down the drain.) Point being: I just don't see how this new promotion will be any different. Have all the wrestlers and TV deals you want, but unless word catches fire, I don't see it becoming any more than what TNA was. TNA faced a two-sided problem: -The first, and biggest problem, is that pro wrestling's popularity in North America has been on a steady downward slide for over 30 years now. Said it in other threads, but even as Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant were selling 75,000-93,000 (whatever the actual number is) tickets at the Silverdome in '87, and even as Nitro and Raw were drawing a combined 8+ million viewers a week for a few months in 1998, the reality remained that less people were buying tickets to, or flat-out watching in any way, pro wrestling in those years than there had been before cable really took off and the territories died. WWE's numbers continue to plummet, the average age of wrestling viewers in the US continues to climb higher and higher (we're not being replaced by younger fans), and the trend isn't about to reverse any time soon. -The second problem was always TNA itself. Getting a cable deal, a game, toys, etc. is all great, but it does nothing if you don't actually do your job as a company and promote your talent and your shows. TNA has got to be one of the all-time worst mainstream promotions when it comes to, well, promoting, given how they'd go into a town for a house show and nobody would know they were going to be there. GFW won't likely be any different, but if it can at least promote itself and focus on turning a profit, even a small one, it'll stand a better chance. Trying to become a worldwide brand these days in pro wrestling is a fool's errand, unless you're a company with a lot of historical cache (i.e. WWE here, NJPW in Japan).
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