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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Jul 2, 2015 17:21:05 GMT -5
Hey, he was the most Credible champion they ever had. Of course he was also the most Justin champion they ever had.
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Post by lws on Jul 2, 2015 18:05:41 GMT -5
by that logic, was terry funk the funkiest?
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jul 2, 2015 18:45:27 GMT -5
I just could never buy the guy as the top guy. He was an okay wrestler and that was about it. He had one of the most uninteresting and generic looks you could ever find. He looked like just about every backyard wrestler from around that time. I kinda now want to see a heel now a days adopt his look just because it's not as common as it was in the late 90's/early 21st century, it's overall just a douchey look and therefor perfect for a heel, and it'll give those of us who were in high school and college during this time period douche chills over how we and/or our friends used to dress. His first year is also some great heel work. His feuds with The Great Sasuke and Mikey Whipwreck and the original Dreamer feud (early '98, NOT the stairway-to-hell feud) were all very, very good. I loved Credible interrupting the moment of silence for Dreamer's grandfather and I love how the next time ECW ran in the ECW Arena (wanna say it was Cyberslam '98) and they're doing the ten bell salute for Louie Spicolli and everyone is in the ring for this, except Credible who was either up at the Eagle's Nest or by the entrance way. Like he's been ostracized by everyone else in the company other than his entourage. And when you consider that this was after he interrupted Dreamer's grandfather's moment of silence, it's a nice piece of continuity. Like "Yeah, you and ten bell salutes are kind of a touchy subject right now. So it might be best that you keep your distance!" and when you consider he interrupted Dreamer's grandfather's tribute before, and then Dreamer started trumpeting his real life friendship with Spicolli after his death (and took up the Death Valley Driver that he renamed the "Spicolli Driver") it's like "Yeah, you talked shit during his grandfather's tribute, best not to to further poke the bear during his friend's tribute. Especially when you're facing him in a first blood match later tonight!" Credible actually did a great go home promo for their match at Living Dangerously '98. The promo starts with a dark room that is lit by a match held by who we think is Tommy Dreamer. Who goes on about how Credible injured Beulah's neck with his spinning tombstone and then goes on to mention his past with Beulah from her debut with Raven-on ward and brings up how he like Credible piledrove her. And responds to Credible saying that she'll leave Dreamer, he responds by saying that he is confident that at Living Dangerously, she will be in the corner of..... Justin Credible! Credible leans towards the match to show his shaved head as he blows it out.
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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Jul 2, 2015 18:54:10 GMT -5
by that logic, was terry funk the funkiest? And that same logic would also dictate that Mike Awesome was..well, you see where I'm going here.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jul 2, 2015 23:43:45 GMT -5
Was he worse than Corino?
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Post by badkarma on Jul 3, 2015 3:09:36 GMT -5
Was he worse than Corino? Yes, and I liked Corino's run as champ.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jul 4, 2015 5:37:06 GMT -5
I never thought he was that terrible, honestly. just kinda bland, and looking like a Steve Austin clone didn't do him any favors.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 6, 2015 1:18:14 GMT -5
My problem with him is that in my opinion he was pushed down the fans throats really fast, like he got pushed too hard and too fast.
If I remember correctly he was one of the last guys The Sandman feuded with before going to WCW so he actually "retired" him. I think that he also feuded with Sabu right before he left, I think there was a vignette where they said that Credible stopped Sabu from working in America or something. He also worked with Shane Douglas before he left to WCW and he beat him up after the match. So not only did he "retired" three of ECW's heroes, but he actually ruined Tommy Dreamer's greatest moment. I don't think the fans bought the fact that Justin Credible was this bad ass capable enough of destroying four ECW legends.
My other problem with Credible is that he didn't had a gimmick of his own. He had Sandman's cane, Shane Douglas valet Francine, he was dressed like Raven and also had an entourage. He was ECW's cover band.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 6, 2015 4:20:15 GMT -5
Going from the days when Sabu, Taz, Shane Douglas, Terry Funk, and Raven ruling the main event scene to Justin Credible was a reminder to long time ECW loyalists that the glory days are behind them. The fans wanted RVD to finally win the belt not someone who they still considered a midcarder. I read ECW message boards during that time and they weren't fans of the move. Even Rhino who was a bit player at the time had more support to be champion. Heyman figured since Justin was a solid worker who the fans hated, he could be the next Franchise including giving him Francine. But the backlash was stronger than anything Roman Reigns got pre-Wrestlemania.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jul 6, 2015 4:25:36 GMT -5
If WWE still used the ECW Brand I wonder if Sandow would ever have to wrestle as Justincredulous
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Post by sasukespecial on Jul 11, 2015 3:01:45 GMT -5
Been watching the last 6 months of ECW, these were sad times. The card felt more like a nobody fest than the Don E Allen, Pablo Marques era. All those people, huge crowds, there to see Justin Credible and CD Anderson *shutters*
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jul 11, 2015 16:17:13 GMT -5
Been watching the last 6 months of ECW, these were sad times. The card felt more like a nobody fest than the Don E Allen, Pablo Marques era. All those people, huge crowds, there to see Justin Credible and CD Anderson *shutters* Are you insinuating that Chilly Willy wasn't packing in the fans?
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 11, 2015 16:30:25 GMT -5
Even guys with limited talent typically had an oomph to them that Paul could really highlight and work with in ECW. Credible was okay enough in ring, but he just lacked that stand out quality that everyone else did. And in a main event role he didn't have the ring work of a Lynn/Storm, the superstar aura of an RVD, a relatable quality like Dreamer/Whipwreck/Sandman, power moves of Rhino/Mike Awesome, the badass mystique of a Sabu/Taz/Bigelow or the mic work of a Raven/Corino/Shane Douglas.
He was for all intents and purposes ECW's default Create a Wrestler and about as memorable.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 11, 2015 16:39:26 GMT -5
If WWE still used the ECW Brand I wonder if Sandow would ever have to wrestle as Justincredulous Should have had Sandman put on a bald cap and wrestle someone as Justin Ebriated.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 11, 2015 16:55:03 GMT -5
Heyman waited way too long to put the belt on RVD. Truth be told I think the dubious decision making started before Justin got the belt. Putting the title on Awesome was a panic move due to Taz leaving for the WWF. But Heyman needed to think things over clearly. He had until the end of 1999 to get the belt off Taz. There was no need to job him in September and have Taz spend the next 2 months jobbing to everyone. Nobody got over from beating Taz since everyone knew the deal, whereas it basically ruined the entire year of 1999's booking plans (namely Taz vs. RVD at N2R for all the marbles). Heyman should have done an early "I'm taking the belt with me!" angle and have RVD take him out.
As far as Justin goes, the guy tried his best I suppose. He's just a marginal talent that had no business main eventing. Kind of a "last one left turn out the lights" decision to put on top. Van Dam was injured at that point, then had a falling out with Heyman over money later in 2000.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jul 11, 2015 17:01:56 GMT -5
Been watching the last 6 months of ECW, these were sad times. The card felt more like a nobody fest than the Don E Allen, Pablo Marques era. All those people, huge crowds, there to see Justin Credible and CD Anderson *shutters* Are you insinuating that Chilly Willy wasn't packing in the fans? instagram.com/p/vo9bw4rLrw/
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 11, 2015 18:05:08 GMT -5
Dammit, you beat me to it.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jul 12, 2015 10:44:00 GMT -5
I think he gets an unwarranted bad rap because his time as ECW champ happened right as Paul stopped booking the company in mid-2000, and the declining quality occurred while he was on top. Who booked ECW's shows from the mid-2000s until the company folded?
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Post by chazraps on Jul 12, 2015 11:20:58 GMT -5
I think he gets an unwarranted bad rap because his time as ECW champ happened right as Paul stopped booking the company in mid-2000, and the declining quality occurred while he was on top. Who booked ECW's shows from the mid-2000s until the company folded? Tommy Dreamer did, that's why there's such an immediate tonal shift following Cyberslam 2000.
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