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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 7, 2015 6:05:48 GMT -5
Nah, what's bullshit is when someone condescendingly tells me "tough shit" for not liking something they like as though that's the objective standard to which everything is held. Your aggression is really unnecessary here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 6:10:09 GMT -5
Glad you liked Raw. Doesn't mean I have to. Outside of the main event I found it to be another shit-show in a long, long line of 'em.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 7, 2015 6:21:27 GMT -5
One great match and one fun Brock segment cannot undo the soulless, sterile, and meaningless crap of the rest of Raw.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jul 7, 2015 6:22:37 GMT -5
If he didn't turn when he lost to The Rock at Wrestlemania, he's not gonna turn. I'm pretty sure he was supposed to until Brock came back to the company. He put down a fairly large deposit on new ring gear, and when it was decided to not go through with it, he couldn't get the deposit back, so he had it applied to anything new the company needed. I think this was discussed on the WWE Network broadcast podcast with Jericho.
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Post by r. on Jul 7, 2015 6:35:01 GMT -5
RAW is broken. One good show in a blue moon doesn't change how painfully dull the show has become. Owens winnins a midcard title, and Cena turning heel aren't enough to fix 3 hours of a broken show formula. I mean, Kane is still in the main event in 2015. Kane. Yes, that Kane. Worse still he is dominating the guy who beat Undertakers streak, The guy who was a former UFC champion and a Guy they have spent a great deal of time building up as an unbeatable beast.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 7, 2015 6:57:03 GMT -5
RAW is broken. One good show in a blue moon doesn't change how painfully dull the show has become. Owens winnins a midcard title, and Cena turning heel aren't enough to fix 3 hours of a broken show formula. I mean, Kane is still in the main event in 2015. Kane. Yes, that Kane. Worse still he is dominating the guy who beat Undertakers streak, The guy who was a former UFC champion and a Guy they have spent a great deal of time building up as an unbeatable beast. I wouldn't necessarily call "hitting guy with a finisher as part of a group beatdown" domination. Look, this isn't addressed at you specifically, but some people really need to get some damn perspective on this Kane thing. Is he insanely overprotected somehow? Yes. Is he incredibly stale at this point of his career? Yes. Does the fact that he was able to hit his finisher on Brock Lesnar in a group beatdown automatically indicate "Kane >>> Lesnar" and that Kane can beat him in a one-on-one setting? NO. Kane's probably going to appear on RAW next week and get murked by Lesnar, just like J&J Security did this week, and it will be like that beatdown never happened.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 7, 2015 9:47:40 GMT -5
Hey Professsor Choas, glad you enjoyed that Raw. If I may speak for some of the other in the Raw thread and others critical of this Raw, I thought this Raw was 90% filler. Yeah the Brock, Titus commentary, and Cena/Cesaro stuff was good. Still that's what... an hour of good stuff in a three hour show? Show v. Rusev w/ Miz was painful and continues to be so. Reigns continues to look like a giant doofus in his feud. Sheamus and Orton are boring as f*** to me. I don't care if it's Sheamus's style or the way he is booked. I don't want to see either of them. Orton is the same as he ever was. Dean Ambrose is just there. Ziggler/Rusev is rough, but is getting better with Rusev finally healed. R-Truth/Barrett is just useless.
I can get you're not down with the negativity, but we all a right to share our opinions. If you get tired of the negativity, fine, don't go into some of those threads. On that same note, if I don't like Raw then maybe I should tune out. That being said, telling people "tough shit" is unnecessary.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 7, 2015 9:50:40 GMT -5
If he didn't turn when he lost to The Rock at Wrestlemania, he's not gonna turn. I'm pretty sure he was supposed to until Brock came back to the company. He put down a fairly large deposit on new ring gear, and when it was decided to not go through with it, he couldn't get the deposit back, so he had it applied to anything new the company needed. I think this was discussed on the WWE Network broadcast podcast with Jericho. He actually let the developmental people in NXT use the deposit for their own gear. Chris Hero talked about it in a shoot. edit: Also Brock needs to be around way more to be their number one face cash cow, and that's not happening.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 7, 2015 9:53:12 GMT -5
While I don't find it was a perfect Raw I find that it was very good. Only segment I really didn't care far was the Reigns-Sheamus match because I felt it started off way too slow in the beginning.
With that said I do find that some people are way too negative about everything WWE and I do question why they watch when everything they post is negative. It's not nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 9:54:25 GMT -5
Mock me if you will but there's a lot of similaties between Owens vs Cena and Austin vs Bret. (Damn that was 19 years ago, thankfully FAN and it's definition of WWE Current doesn't make me feel as old). This I agree with. But there's not much similarity between the WWF in 1997 and WWE in 2015, so I expect Cena to remain Dudley Do-Right (w/veteran smugness).
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 7, 2015 9:55:04 GMT -5
They booked themselves into a corner with Cesaro tonight. Either 1) Cesaro wins, which is not happening, 2) Owens interferes in a complete rehash of the last ending or 3) Cena beats Cesaro Clean (which doesn't really do anything for Cesaro, no matter how strong he looked in the match)
Option 3 it is. Honestly would have preferred option 2, though perhaps with a shade more violence in the interference than the last one. Either turn it into a 3 way brawl to end the show, if they are turning the Battleground match into a 3 way, or have Owens take out Cesaro to set up for the feud after Owens (hopefully) takes the title.
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Post by ayumidah on Jul 7, 2015 11:20:43 GMT -5
It wasn't a bad Raw, necessarily, it was just fairly repetitive to Raw last week, and the week before, and etc etc. The Rusev destroying Ziggler, and Brock trashing the car parts were the highlights, and Cena vs Cesaro was good. They book in circles a lot and it's hard to get invested in the same things happening again and again.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 7, 2015 11:23:34 GMT -5
I'd believe Elvis still being alive over Cena turning heel. I truely think they're hinting at it right now. At Elvis being alive?
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Post by whtbldclls on Jul 7, 2015 11:31:24 GMT -5
Yeah I get it you're too cool to watch WWE anymore yet have nothing better to do then go on a wrestling forum and mock people who do. Oh, snap!
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Post by Main Eventer on Jul 7, 2015 11:33:29 GMT -5
I truely think they're hinting at it right now. At Elvis being alive? I hope not, last time they brought back Elvis it sucked.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jul 7, 2015 11:36:29 GMT -5
WWE currently is the definition of insanity, Insanity is doing the exact... same f***ing thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change... That. Is. Crazy.
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Post by Manute Bol on Jul 7, 2015 12:09:13 GMT -5
Guys Cena's turning heel! For reals this time!!! It's soooo obvious!!! The WWE is gonna be awesome once he's a heel and I can finally boo him.....
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 7, 2015 12:16:35 GMT -5
Worse still he is dominating the guy who beat Undertakers streak, The guy who was a former UFC champion and a Guy they have spent a great deal of time building up as an unbeatable beast. I wouldn't necessarily call "hitting guy with a finisher as part of a group beatdown" domination.Look, this isn't addressed at you specifically, but some people really need to get some damn perspective on this Kane thing. Is he insanely overprotected somehow? Yes. Is he incredibly stale at this point of his career? Yes. Does the fact that he was able to hit his finisher on Brock Lesnar in a group beatdown automatically indicate "Kane >>> Lesnar" and that Kane can beat him in a one-on-one setting? NO. Kane's probably going to appear on RAW next week and get murked by Lesnar, just like J&J Security did this week, and it will be like that beatdown never happened. But is it a combination of skills and concentration?
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Post by SUPES on Jul 7, 2015 15:19:36 GMT -5
If you're watching ALL of Raw rather than just the Good Shit on DVR/Network, you're doing it wrong.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 7, 2015 15:26:12 GMT -5
I like to make threads where I attack everyone too.
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