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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 10, 2021 6:21:00 GMT -5
F*** me drunk, it’s always something in this company.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 10, 2021 7:01:29 GMT -5
F***, man, just pay Xavier and others what they’re owed. It absolutely can’t be that much in the grand scheme of things. And with video game streaming being as huge as it is, letting wrestlers stream games would bring in new fans. UUDD is some of the best promotion the company can get.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 10, 2021 7:09:12 GMT -5
Xavier can build a new brand on his own if he has to. Hope whenever his contract's up for renewal he tells them to eat shit and heads off somewhere else.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 10, 2021 7:11:18 GMT -5
Xavier can build a new brand on his own if he has to. Hope whenever his contract's up for renewal he tells them to eat shit and heads off somewhere else. Oh yeah, no idea if he owns "Austin Creed" or not, but he could become Spinach Zanzibar tomorrow and probably have a highly-successful channel or the like. He hasn't needed them in years.
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Post by eJm on Nov 10, 2021 7:14:48 GMT -5
F***, man, just pay Xavier and others what they’re owed. It absolutely can’t be that much in the grand scheme of things. And with video game streaming being as huge as it is, letting wrestlers stream games would bring in new fans. UUDD is some of the best promotion the company can get. One of the weirdest moments of the pandemic era was when Bianca invaded Zelina's house during her stream because of stuff that happened with Andrade and Garza and the Street Profits at the time and it was seen as a really cool thing by the wrestling community at large for how different it was...and the company didn't reference it on Raw at all. I know they were likely setting up to put the kibosh on all of it but come on now.
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Post by cjh on Nov 10, 2021 7:21:09 GMT -5
No, it looks like the money Woods and others make from UUDD is applied to the downside. They're not taking his G4 money. - Fightful was told Woods sees little no additional money at all from UUDD and his hosting G4, UUDD is applied towards his downside guaranteed. The same applies to everybody else on UUDD. I think that should be a period after "G4" instead of a comma. It's saying the G4 gig doesn't pay that much.
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Post by eJm on Nov 10, 2021 7:23:02 GMT -5
I mean, G4 doesn't technically exist yet and considering nobody really does much for it right now besides the occasional YouTube video here and there, that makes sense. I don't even think Comcast have announced where the channel will be yet.
The only people who'd be paid consistently would be those who are working on production or with the website or building the foundation of where things will be recorded, stuff like that. I'd be shocked if it wasn't anything but pay-per-appearence.
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 10, 2021 8:28:19 GMT -5
F***, man, just pay Xavier and others what they’re owed. It absolutely can’t be that much in the grand scheme of things. Oh it absolutely CAN. You have to bear in mind that guys like Adam Cole are raking in an extra $150K+ annual with his Twitch stream (based on the $314K sum from the leak). Sure, it may not SOUND like a lot in comparison to the millions a contract could potentially be, but it absolutely is not an insignificant amount of money to just handwave off. Combine this with the fact that this effectively means that ALL of his appearances outside of the WWE still has their hands in his back pocket as if it were the COMPANY that you're hiring him and not the man and his talents himself, I'd sure as hell would be frustrated as well. Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if he's on his way out the door regardless because of how much his potential is being stifled with these arrangements, or the gaming agreement going up in smoke.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 10:16:42 GMT -5
I wasn't able to fully understand Fightful's statement (rather than post the full article I sumamrized it) but it was either that Xavier wasn't making much off of UUDD and G4 or (what I thought) Xavier wasn't earning any extra money from the company because he's got UUDD and G4 on the side as in "hey we know you're doing extra work here and letting ya know, we ain't gonna give you any bonuses because of it", I mean...either way is the same...
Either way it's bad for him. f*** them.
Same thing applies to the New Day Podcast. They haven't posted a new episode since late September, they've been posting old episodes so I'm going to assume the same applies here. New Day didn't wanna do it due to this.
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Post by Legion on Nov 10, 2021 10:27:03 GMT -5
Fightful posted an update and man, it's rough. Poor Xavier, wow. We might need update the title with "Woods and others stop making content" or something like that. Here's a summary. WWE owning UUDD is a surprise to me. I had assumed it was all Woods and he was in some form of partnership with WWE. Knowing they actually own it, then I can see where they are coming from - it isn't an outside issue, it's a presenting gig for a show they own, so why would that mean he gets paid more if his contract doesnt specifically say they have to. I'd certainly argue that is unfair, and fully support him holding out for more cash though, even if I can see the thinking behind it. The more interesting thing to me here is the G4 stuff. Now, if he is hosting that AS Xavier Woods, then it's an IP issue - WWE can claim he is doing it as an appearance under their character and so they need paying rather than him (again unfair, but again can see the legal reasoning behind it) - but I thought he was doing it all under the Austin Creed name, which I thought he owned himself - maybe he signed it over? Either way, I hope his hold out causes them to look at these contracts and start adapting and recognising these additional things as things that they ought to pay more for, but given WWE, I doubt they will. Now we know they own it, they can always just replace him. Or try to.
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Post by pinja on Nov 10, 2021 10:35:34 GMT -5
Fightful posted an update and man, it's rough. Poor Xavier, wow. We might need update the title with "Woods and others stop making content" or something like that. Here's a summary. WWE owning UUDD is a surprise to me. I had assumed it was all Woods and he was in some form of partnership with WWE. Knowing they actually own it, then I can see where they are coming from - it isn't an outside issue, it's a presenting gig for a show they own, so why would that mean he gets paid more if his contract doesnt specifically say they have to. I'd certainly argue that is unfair, and fully support him holding out for more cash though, even if I can see the thinking behind it. The more interesting thing to me here is the G4 stuff. Now, if he is hosting that AS Xavier Woods, then it's an IP issue - WWE can claim he is doing it as an appearance under their character and so they need paying rather than him (again unfair, but again can see the legal reasoning behind it) - but I thought he was doing it all under the Austin Creed name, which I thought he owned himself - maybe he signed it over? Either way, I hope his hold out causes them to look at these contracts and start adapting and recognising these additional things as things that they ought to pay more for, but given WWE, I doubt they will. Now we know they own it, they can always just replace him. Or try to. I was also under the impression that Woods started the channel, gave it it's name, it's identity, and then just moved it under the WWE umbrella. Pretty sure I've got a specific news story in mind from some years ago.
What I don't understand: Is this a new development? Because neither the gaming channel nor the podcast are infants anymore, so Woods and New Day would've been able to see they're screwed over when they first signed the contracts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 10:46:00 GMT -5
WrestlingInc posted their own post about the Woods from Fightful and here's their interpretation of it. The G4 stuff is bolded.
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Post by eJm on Nov 10, 2021 10:48:49 GMT -5
I'd probably say some of it would be tied with WWE because, well, Comcast pays for a lot of WWE content, their demo is keeping USA alive, they likely want them to be a part of G4 somewhat and WWE's like "Yeah, we'll take a portion of cash for you using Xavier".
Like, it's all bullshit and stupid for many reasons but the """"""logic""""""" is there.
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Post by eJm on Nov 10, 2021 11:00:51 GMT -5
EDIT: This post originally had a tweet from UUDD about Xavier returning to G4 next Tuesday.
Weirdly, it's gone now.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 10, 2021 11:09:25 GMT -5
EDIT: This post originally had a tweet from UUDD about Xavier returning to G4 next Tuesday. Weirdly, it's gone now. Ratioed to f***, I bet.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Nov 10, 2021 11:12:47 GMT -5
WWE is playing with fire here.
They do not want to lose Woods or potentially all of New Day. That would be VERY bad for them.
Renegotiate and pay the man.
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Post by eJm on Nov 10, 2021 11:13:39 GMT -5
EDIT: This post originally had a tweet from UUDD about Xavier returning to G4 next Tuesday. Weirdly, it's gone now. Ratioed to f***, I bet. Not even that, it got posted and by the time I was setting this all up, it was at only a few RTs and dozens of likes before it got taken off. It was more likely someone saw the scope and went "Yeah...let's delete this now".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 11:16:08 GMT -5
WWE is playing with fire here. They do not want to lose Woods or potentially all of New Day. That would be VERY bad for them. Renegotiate and pay the man. Like I said before, Kofi said he took less money so Big E and Woods could make the same exact money he did for the same time, same exact contracts, they did it as brothers. So...when one's gone, they're all gone. This is probably going to be the official start of them wanting to move from the company if the company doesn't do right which I don't expect the company to abide by. The only way they can make it right is giving Woods complete control over UUDD and they're never gonna do that.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 10, 2021 11:36:48 GMT -5
I'm already two feet out the door in regards to watching the WWE. IF they do the New Day dirty I'm not even sure I'd ever look back to see what's going on.
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Post by gl83 on Nov 10, 2021 11:39:08 GMT -5
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