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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 20, 2015 8:12:09 GMT -5
I ask this question because coming off of last night and what happened last week it would seem we should get a Fatal 4 Way for the title at Summerslam. Cena has done an excellent job elevating the title and making it mean something putting it almost up to par to what the WHC was before they unified the title.
Does Cena need to be pinned in order to put that "nail in the coffin" in the title reign and the person getting the rub of beating him. I hope WWE has hit eat a pinfall as it would help the person who does defeat him for the title. If you have him lose in a multi man match without taking the fall than IMO it sets it back a little to what Cena has accomplished these few months.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 20, 2015 8:15:05 GMT -5
Yeah, it comes off as cheap to have him lose the title by not being pinned.
It also kinda makes the open challenge gimmick pointless.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 20, 2015 8:26:33 GMT -5
Yeah, it comes off as cheap to have him lose the title by not being pinned. It also kinda makes the open challenge gimmick pointless. That's what I fear though. WWE is so week to week in their booking where what they've done over the last few weeks won't really matter if it doesn't fit into the narrative the day of the show.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 20, 2015 9:42:14 GMT -5
IT would be a huge mistake to have him drop it in a multi-man match. The way they've built the belt up with the open challenges, he has to be pinned clean in a one on one match for you to get the most out of the moment. I honestly don't care if they drag it out until next 'Mania if the want, but he has to drop the belt clean in the middle of the ring.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 20, 2015 9:43:58 GMT -5
I feel like that is what will happen though. I feel the Four Way is immanent, and Owens is gonna steal the belt from right under Cena, and get a step up after losing two in a row
But then we know, Cena will want his rematch, and if that happens, Cena vs Owens 4 will happen... which will be, in my opinion, a make or break career moment for Owens... he would need to absolutely win that match.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 20, 2015 9:49:20 GMT -5
Honestly, I think when Cena loses the title he either won't go for the rematch or at his rematch his next challenger will interfere.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 20, 2015 10:06:25 GMT -5
He doesn't need to, but he really, really should. The prestige that's gained from him holding it this whole time is lost if he just doesn't get pinned and pisses off to another story.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Jul 20, 2015 10:23:51 GMT -5
Cenas reign as US Champion has been fantastic, the title has never felt so important. If he loses it without being pinned it will lose some of the prestige it has built over the past few months.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 20, 2015 10:29:36 GMT -5
He doesn't need to, but he really, really should. The prestige that's gained from him holding it this whole time is lost if he just doesn't get pinned and pisses off to another story. That's the thing though. If he just pisses off into another feud without mentioning the title it will hurt the title only a little. Just do something like if I defeat you, you can't go after the title as long as I have it. Should be effective enough.
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Post by RIHT on Jul 20, 2015 12:06:08 GMT -5
I kind of want to see it happen on a random episode of Raw to add to the shock value.
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Post by hossfan on Jul 20, 2015 13:41:53 GMT -5
I'd say yes. I don't think it has to be a one on one match up, though. Do a Triple Threat or Four Way involving Owens and Cesaro, have Cesaro hit his finisher on Cena but Owens steals the pin to get the title. Cesaro turns even more of the face because he's been wronged, Owens gets the title and to claim that he pinned Cena, and then Cena can be moved out of the angle by having him say "I'm not invoking my rematch clause. Cesaro had me beat, and deserves the chance to win the belt that was taken from him."
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 20, 2015 13:44:08 GMT -5
I'd say yes. I don't think it has to be a one on one match up, though. Do a Triple Threat or Four Way involving Owens and Cesaro, have Cesaro hit his finisher on Cena but Owens steals the pin to get the title. Cesaro turns even more of the face because he's been wronged, Owens gets the title and to claim that he pinned Cena, and then Cena can be moved out of the angle by having him say "I'm not invoking my rematch clause. Cesaro had me beat, and deserves the chance to win the belt that was taken from him." If he was to endorse Cesaro that way, that would be great. Another match between them with Cesaro squeaking out a victory against Cena wouldn't hurt though.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jul 20, 2015 14:03:21 GMT -5
Cena has to lose. No cheap outs. If he loses it a multi-man match and is pinned, fine but he if doesn't, he has to get a rematch and lose. All his talk has been on what that title means to him and his fans, to not put up a fight would kill all that work.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 20, 2015 14:04:45 GMT -5
Not necessarily. It obviously would mean more for the next champion if he beat Cena for the title instead of beating someone else in a multi-man match. Depending on what WWE wanted to do with Cena after losing the title, they could feel justified in protecting him by having him lose it without being beaten. Won't help the next champion, though.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jul 20, 2015 14:11:16 GMT -5
It makes no sense if Cena doesn't lose the belt by getting pinned by someone. The idea is for him to put new guys over, right? Well the best way to do that is to have them beat him, especially when it matters.
If they just have Cena lose the belt by pure fluke without getting pinned then how does that get anybody over? I mean sure, you can always do the scenario suggested where he gets a rematch afterwards and the new champion wins, but the WWE seems terrified of having anybody hold an advantage over John for long at all that I just don't see it happening. More likely John moves on, cuts one of his "titles come and titles go" promos, and then goes off to whatever.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Jul 20, 2015 14:14:10 GMT -5
He will be pinned, worry not
Lets hope its gonna be Cesaro or Owens or Rusev soon
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 20, 2015 17:04:56 GMT -5
It makes no sense if Cena doesn't lose the belt by getting pinned by someone. The idea is for him to put new guys over, right? Well the best way to do that is to have them beat him, especially when it matters. If they just have Cena lose the belt by pure fluke without getting pinned then how does that get anybody over? I mean sure, you can always do the scenario suggested where he gets a rematch afterwards and the new champion wins, but the WWE seems terrified of having anybody hold an advantage over John for long at all that I just don't see it happening. More likely John moves on, cuts one of his "titles come and titles go" promos, and then goes off to whatever. Sort of what I expect with him losing the title and he moves on. Probably back to the main event in a title match.
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Post by rippo on Jul 20, 2015 17:13:38 GMT -5
There's a lot more potential there so Cena losing the title this early would be a waste IMO.
He should hold it for atleast another 4 months. Keep in mind, he's only feuded with Owens since winning it. What about some other challengers like say... Joe? or a returning MVP (longest reigning U.S. champ ever)?
If it was my call, I'd have Joe be the one to defeat him.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jul 20, 2015 17:29:40 GMT -5
Nope. He'll lose by getting attacked by The Big Show in a RAW triple threat, promptly fxxx off out of the US Title scene without ever mentioning it or asking for a rematch, beat Big Show on Smackdown (can he lift him for the AA, though?) and finally go after that loser Seth Rollins and become the REAL Champion we all deserve. It's obvious the peons he's toying with are levels below him that they indeed.... Can't C him.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jul 20, 2015 17:58:17 GMT -5
I'll say this, I completely expect him to lose it tonight, probably to Owens in a career v. title match, thanks to Rollins. Basically no good coming out of it. Unless they want to rush a championship vs. championship match simply because ROH did one.
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