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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jul 21, 2015 15:45:38 GMT -5
Why does he have to move at all? Why not put him at a top level and have him stay there instead of yo-yo'ing him? You know, have a fresh top heel so it isn't Rollins-Wyatt-start over for guys like Ambrose, Reigns, and while we're at it a new face to throw in that mix as well. This isn't even getting into the supposed reasoning behind it either. But what is staying in the same slot? Feuding with other main event talent? We don't even know what he's doing yet. It only seems like he's being 'shoved down the card' because he's not feuding with Cena at the moment. We know nothing at this point in time. Again. He's not out there picking a fight with Zack Ryder. Reigns, Ambrose, Orton that is the same level and I sure as shit don't buy Owens in that mix after tapping out clean to Cena and then having a meaningless night after. You want to wait, go for it. I've seen the story play out numerous times and am sick of leaving disappointed.
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Post by hossfan on Jul 21, 2015 15:46:06 GMT -5
So the fact he took part in a pull apart is evidence that Owens is buried? The dude took part in the MAIN EVENT of Raw later in the night, where he was protected as hell. My Lord, some wrestling fans are insane.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 15:46:54 GMT -5
Let's get something straight.
That "looking strong in defeat" comment is straight and utter bullshit.
It means jack shit if you don't follow up. Neville looked strong in defeat and look where he is. Ambrose looked strong in defeat against Cena and Rollins but look where he is. Look at all of these guys who apparently looked strong in defeat, it means nothing to this company. It's just a stupid excuse used so people can cling onto it when people comment on the booking. When the booking is bad someone says "well he looked strong in defeat so-" and that's their crutch. If that line was so important then surely Cena could have lost against Owens and yet still be strong because from what we see it's apparently "a good thing in the eyes of the company". Owens has been the best booked monster to come from NXT and yet it all ended when he faced Cena and now he's just some dude. I've said it once and I'll say it again, he feels defanged and this proves it.
Now Owens is in with the Zigglers, Cesaros, guys who (although they're great) are amazing but clearly aren't above the level of the losers they're paired with. You know this pisses Triple H off because it took so much to help Owens and yet this happened. You know what should have happened? Owens should have immediately had an excuse as to why he tapped out and have it shown to everyone on Raw. He should not have been out there to try and stop Lesnar. He should have attempted to go after Cena again but is stopped by someone who he'll feud with next. That's what they should have done but you know what they did? Didn't show an excuse, had him out there like the other lower card guys, had him embarrassed and looked as a joke in that final segment and here we are.
I don't care who you are because it's utter bullshit that this happened. If you spend so much time, effort and hype up Owens you do not do this to his character. Even if he lost to Cena, you could have prevented this.
Anyone defending this needs to stop right now because it's f***ed up however you look at it.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 21, 2015 15:49:07 GMT -5
That's why I'm not a big fan of Alvarez. When he has an agenda, he'll say whatever to get his point across.. "He was put there with the rest of the lower-card guys" As in 90-95% of the active roster , you geek. The duck kind of analysis is that? If Dave wasn't on the site, I wouldn't even f*** with him period. A worker in almost every sense. On WOR Dave was as much about pointing that out and what it meant as Bryan was. And it's a reasonable point, if you were in that brawl it says something about where you are in the pecking order. See, I'm behind on my audio from the site, lol. If I heard the actual audio, I' might find the point much more reasonable but on paper (especially the way this report worded it) it sounds real flimsy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 15:50:57 GMT -5
............well, at least Rollins is a tippy-top tier guy... Progress?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 15:50:58 GMT -5
Word is Kevin Owen's had an ego from the start. The moment he defeated Cena cleanly for his debut match, the officials described Kevin Owen's was feeling very happy. This is a move to humble him and see if he wants to stay in the WWE. The word is he'll go on a losing streak for the next six months and if he's still with the company, he'll get a push but nowhere the push he had from his debut.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 21, 2015 15:54:55 GMT -5
People doing pull aparts tend to be the disposable guys. Owens shouldn't be among them. He should be protected. Instead of elevating guys, jobbing them to the top guy, then sending them back down the card, WWE should be creating new full time top guys and the only way they do that is by actually having them beat Cena in feuds. The usual excuse is "well (new guy) won't be harmed by losing to Cena". No, it's Cena who won't be harmed by losing to the new guy. Instead of pushing the new, WWE choose to protect the established when they really don't need it.
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Post by Prince Petty on Jul 21, 2015 15:57:23 GMT -5
It's kind of amazing. Every guy or every thing that creates a buzz for the WWE, in any arena, ends up getting squashed by the status quo. Everything eventually goes back to normal, with the gurning mug of Cena on top.
Every attempt at growth or change is snuffed out by close-minded people behind the scenes (wonder who they could be?). It seems like they just lose a little bit of control, and we get to see something new and awesome and then... nope. Back to the same shit that has been served up for the last decade. Will this absolutely happen with Kevin Owens? We don't know for sure, but the balance of probability and precedent falls very firmly on 'yes'.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jul 21, 2015 16:00:13 GMT -5
On WOR Dave was as much about pointing that out and what it meant as Bryan was. And it's a reasonable point, if you were in that brawl it says something about where you are in the pecking order. See, I'm behind on my audio from the site, lol. If I heard the actual audio, I' might find the point much more reasonable but on paper (especially the way this report worded it) it sounds real flimsy. Dave: What was telling about that thing was you got to really figure out who they protect and who they yknow who they think is guys. Who are guys and who are real superstars. And uh, yknow, no shocks but it was telling for sure. Bryan: NO SHOCKS? KEVIN OWENS WAS IN THERE! Dave: No shocks, like I said, it was telling.
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Post by suave on Jul 21, 2015 16:01:00 GMT -5
Guys, c'mon. Just getting to work with Cena is a great thing! I'm sure Damien Sandow Dolph Ziggler Rusev Ryback Bray Wyatt R-Truth The Miz The Nexus Zack Ryder Kevin Owens will be just fine!
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Post by hossfan on Jul 21, 2015 16:01:28 GMT -5
If Cena lost as often as his detractors wanted, beating him would mean nothing at this point. Which might be why people are so gung-ho on the concept, since it makes him less relevant, but it is certainly not smart booking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 16:02:37 GMT -5
Let's also look at this.
Ambrose wasn't out there. Reigns wasn't out there. Rollins wasn't out there. Wyatt wasn't out there.
These are the guys the company clearly cares about from the new generation. These are the guys that Vince said are actually grabbing the brass ring. These are the guys that the company feels will carry the company into the next era and who are above the others in their class.
Owens isn't being presented that way and he should because of his booking, accomplishments and hype.
This is a problem no matter how you cut it.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jul 21, 2015 16:04:00 GMT -5
If Cena lost as often as his detractors wanted, beating him would mean nothing at this point. Which might be why people are so gung-ho on the concept, since it makes him less relevant, but it is certainly not smart booking. If Cena lost and made someone even once maybe the calls for him to lose wouldn't be as strong. To say people want him to lose all the time is incorrect, people want him to lose and it matter for once in his run on top thus the constant calls for him to lose to one of these people.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jul 21, 2015 16:09:00 GMT -5
So the fact he took part in a pull apart is evidence that Owens is buried? The dude took part in the MAIN EVENT of Raw later in the night, where he was protected as hell. My Lord, some wrestling fans are insane. I would like this post 50 times if I could.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 21, 2015 16:12:28 GMT -5
How can you call that reporting?
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Post by hossfan on Jul 21, 2015 16:12:40 GMT -5
If Cena lost as often as his detractors wanted, beating him would mean nothing at this point. Which might be why people are so gung-ho on the concept, since it makes him less relevant, but it is certainly not smart booking. If Cena lost and made someone even once maybe the calls for him to lose wouldn't be as strong. To say people want him to lose all the time is incorrect, people want him to lose and it matter for once in his run on top thus the constant calls for him to lose to one of these people. They wanted him to lose to Rusev. They wanted him to lose to Cesaro. They wanted him to lose to Owens. Those are his last three "feuds" right there. The last feud he did lose, against Lesnar, people complain about because he had Brock in a submission hold and Seth had to interfere and "save" him. Pretty much every heel Cena faces folks are mad because he comes out on top. Wyatt. Rollins. The beat for John Cena to get beat goes on. You don't treat your top face that way. It's counter-productive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 16:13:08 GMT -5
Guys, c'mon. Just getting to work with Cena is a great thing! I'm sure Damien Sandow Dolph Ziggler Rusev Ryback Bray Wyatt R-Truth The Miz The Nexus Zack Ryder Kevin Owens will be just fine! This x a million. Feuding with John Cena is career poison. It's crazy that people even deny it at this point. Damien Sandow is the biggest example of this imo. Poor guy hasn't been near a main event since he cashed in and "looked good in defeat."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 16:13:26 GMT -5
I've honestly accepted stuff like this and just don't care anymore. Nothing will change.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 16:13:59 GMT -5
If Cena lost as often as his detractors wanted, beating him would mean nothing at this point. Which might be why people are so gung-ho on the concept, since it makes him less relevant, but it is certainly not smart booking. People don't want him to lose all the time. It's just that every time he wrestles, he's due for a loss because he wins all the god damn time. Or, he's having a rematch with a guy who just beat him, and people don't think he should be getting his win back, because it negates the importance of the first win. Then the problem is having the rematch in the first place, and it seems like it's only being done to get Cena his win back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 16:16:40 GMT -5
At this point it's clear the only person who will beat Cena decisively in a feud is Reigns and that's when he passes him the torch. Nobody else has a shot against Cena. It's shit like that which hurts the company.
Owens is the new Barrett.
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