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Post by 4TheGlory on Jul 23, 2015 13:37:36 GMT -5
Checklist of stupidity:
Waste the chance to have a younger talent slay the beast? Check Render the Wrestlemania streak pointless? Check Have Brock Lesnar feud with a repeat opponent? Check
I am sure you can all easily add on to this list
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RIHT
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Post by RIHT on Jul 23, 2015 13:40:54 GMT -5
The thing is, WWE is in a tough situation here, as both Lesnar and Undertaker have good reasons to win at this point and are essentially top faces. Had WWE did this match at WM 31 and didn't let Lesnar get as hot as he did, it would sort of make more sense to have Undertaker redeem himself after the loss of the streak. But because Undertaker had the match with Wyatt and Lesnar got screwed out of the WWE title with that story still unresolved, the clash of two stories where the hero needs to conquer makes this a tough situation.
The brawl on Raw was awesome, so if there's a good feud here, Summerslam could be interesting. Regardless of screwy finishes, if they let a rising heel take out both these guys (i.e. Kevin Owens), I would not be opposed to it. Really, Undertaker and Lesnar are equals here, and there is no one who deserves the win more or less. It's also very unpredictable, so there is a lot of excitement to be had because of this fact. This could end up being better than imagined, but also must be done right or else it will disappoint severely.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Jul 23, 2015 13:43:45 GMT -5
Screw this, I wanna see Brock wrestle Orton, Ambrose, Ziggler, or Bryan! Cesaro, Owens, Rusev, Zayn, Balor...but no, we need more Attitude Era guys
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 23, 2015 13:44:45 GMT -5
The thing is, WWE is in a tough situation here, as both Lesnar and Undertaker have good reasons to win at this point and are essentially top faces. Had WWE did this match at WM 31 and didn't let Lesnar get as hot as he did, it would sort of make more sense to have Undertaker redeem himself after the loss of the streak. But because Undertaker had the match with Wyatt and Lesnar got screwed out of the WWE title with that story still unresolved, the clash of two stories where the hero needs to conquer makes this a tough situation. The brawl on Raw was awesome, so if there's a good feud here, Summerslam could be interesting. Regardless of screwy finishes, if they let a rising heel take out both these guys (i.e. Kevin Owens), I would not be opposed to it. Really, Undertaker and Lesnar are equals here, and there is no one who deserves the win more or less. It's also very unpredictable, so there is a lot of excitement to be had because of this fact. This could end up being better than imagined, but also must be done right or else it will disappoint severely. Thing is though, Lesnar does what four or five matches a year. If the Summerslam bout with Taker ends in shenanians than that means Brock's last three big PPV matches (not counting Kingston) in a row all ended that way.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 23, 2015 13:45:05 GMT -5
This would be a puzzling decision to say the least.
And it'd really just about kill off the whole "things that happen in WWE have consequences" thing too, which is already in bad shape as it is. I mean, one of the big aces up their sleeve was "Cena loses completely clean" and THAT'S been damaged because Owens went on to eventually lose the feud. Now they're looking at throwing away "Someone breaks The Undertaker's WM streak".
Just seems like they want to book WWE like a sitcom. You'll have your main guys, other characters will get their spotlight once in a while, special guests will pop in... But above all else, at the end of the episode, everything is back to normal, no matter what, just in time to do it all over again next time. That's all well and good for Tony Danza. Not so much for Brock Lesnar.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 23, 2015 13:46:19 GMT -5
Screw this, I wanna see Brock wrestle Orton, Ambrose, Ziggler, or Bryan! Cesaro, Owens, Rusev, Zayn, Balor...but no, we need more Attitude Era guys Vince probably still wants Rock/Brock at an upcoming Mania, which okay, but Rock waltzing in, beating Brock and returning to movies again would be outrageous. "Yup, I'm in my forties and retired but I'm better than every single one of those guys. Anyway, back to movies I go.."
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 23, 2015 13:47:35 GMT -5
This would be a puzzling decision to say the least. And it'd really just about kill off the whole "things that happen in WWE have consequences" thing too, which is already in bad shape as it is. I mean, one of the big aces up their sleeve was "Cena loses completely clean" and THAT'S been damaged because Owens went on to eventually lose the feud. Now they're looking at throwing away "Someone breaks The Undertaker's WM streak". Just seems like they want to book WWE like a sitcom. You'll have your main guys, other characters will get their spotlight once in a while, special guests will pop in... But above all else, at the end of the episode, everything is back to normal, no matter what, just in time to do it all over again next time. That's all well and good for Tony Danza. Not so much for Brock Lesnar. Now with bonus Cena as WWE champion again (potentially)
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 23, 2015 14:36:38 GMT -5
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Post by angryfan on Jul 23, 2015 14:36:55 GMT -5
Lesnar/Orton seems like such an obvious one, I don't know why they have't done it yet EDIT: Lesnar/Sheamus would be really fun, if they just let them knock the snot out of each other Lesnar/Orton just for the one crazy spot of an F5 turning into an RKO. I'd like the spot of Brock tries the F5, Orton counters that to an RKO attempt, which Brock snatches him back in and hits a German. All in one fluid motion.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 23, 2015 14:40:30 GMT -5
Lesnar/Orton just for the one crazy spot of an F5 turning into an RKO. I'd like the spot of Brock tries the F5, Orton counters that to an RKO attempt, which Brock snatches him back in and hits a German. All in one fluid motion. They'll be looking around bewildered after moving so fast like did we just have sex, what the hell was that?
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 23, 2015 14:44:19 GMT -5
I'm torn. On the one hand I'm always happy to be vindicated, and I told so many that Taker would get his win back, but at the same time....I wish I was wrong.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jul 23, 2015 15:09:16 GMT -5
I think this match should end with Taker being the closest of anybody to beating Brock, but Brock squeaks out a victory. At the end, he shakes Taker's hand. Brock wins the day, but Undertaker wins Brock's respect... and he's the only one to have Brock's respect. To me, that was the point of Undertaker's promo on Monday. He realized that streaks were made to be ended, so he was fine with that. What he had a problem with was them constantly talking about it, feeling it was disrespectful and Brock is a guy who just refuses to show respect to anybody... which is correct, as that's part of his gimmick. Brock is still unbeatable, but Taker shows he can still go.
And with that said, he only has one thing left.... and that's Sting at Wrestlemania. I still say, induct both into the HoF the night before.. make it very well known this is their final match, both of them. The entire match is not about respect, not about a storyline, not about destroying the other, just about saying a final goodbye to that era with the last dream match of that era.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jul 23, 2015 15:20:24 GMT -5
I'm certainly not thrilled at the prospect of all this, even though I will always mark out for The Undertaker and Brock. As others have said it just seems to throw whatever narrative they were working on right out the window and I wouldn't be surprised if the dip in ratings recently has brought all of this about. That's honestly my biggest fear in all this, that Vince will see the ratings slump and will automatically jump to Rock, Undertaker and anyone else he can get to try and pop a rating instead of sticking with the guys that are already being built. He has all the talent in the world at his disposal right now.
The only bright spot in this is that I think this going to be the last run for The Undertaker. Dude really got himself back into shape after his last few appearances and this may be his swan song. Either way, Vince and Co. can't rely on their nostalgia acts for much longer.
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Post by StormanReigns on Jul 23, 2015 15:39:00 GMT -5
Why does Taker need his win back? He is a very old 50. What does a win possibly do for him?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 23, 2015 15:40:41 GMT -5
Wake me up when Daniel Bryan comes back or Dean Ambrose wins the title.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 15:44:29 GMT -5
Brock being beaten by one of the new guys on a big stage would instantly make them so this is a horrible idea. Unless Taker's going to put over a new guy (which he shouldn't given his workrate these days) then the Streak was for nothing.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 23, 2015 15:48:49 GMT -5
Brock being beaten by one of the new guys on a big stage would instantly make them so this is a horrible idea. Unless Taker's going to put over a new guy (which he shouldn't do) then the Streak was for nothing. And you'll like it, pal!
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Post by ICBM on Jul 23, 2015 16:03:32 GMT -5
Not happening. Lesnar v Taker goes down in a schmozz and everybody either looks strong or looks bad. I'm holding out hope Lesnar goes out as a face and Taker is working for the authority leading to a sting v taker showdown (The Vigalante and all)
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Post by AtomSmasher on Jul 23, 2015 16:03:37 GMT -5
On his podcast, JR suggested that Brock beats Taker at SummerSlam, but then loses to him in Taker's retirement match at WM. Sounds ok to me.
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Post by Dukect on Jul 23, 2015 16:14:55 GMT -5
So once again Lesnar is facing an over the hill opponent instead of facing fresh talents like Orton, Ambrose, Cesaro, Rusev, and etc. :Sigh: And the WWE still will mock WCW for relying on old stars
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