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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jul 27, 2015 12:46:15 GMT -5
1000% agree with Keller there. Hogan needs to step away, and stop being Hogan for a while. Go and work on Terry Bollea. And be an honest Bollea, and not the pathological liar he's been for decades
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 27, 2015 12:49:32 GMT -5
1000% agree with Keller there. Hogan needs to step away, and stop being Hogan for a while. Go and work on Terry Bollea. And be an honest Bollea, and not the pathological liar he's been for decades I'm sure tomorrow Hogan will continue to retweet joke accounts sending him pictures of black football (soccer) players and going "Thank you my brother, only love HH" because the man is straight dumb.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 27, 2015 12:50:28 GMT -5
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Post by Boozeman on Jul 27, 2015 12:51:18 GMT -5
You're being pretty kind to Hogan to assume that his racism only extends to a hidden-camera video from 8 years ago. Last thing I say on it because you continueto engage. I literally cannot believe you can compare a racist, ignorant jerk to someone who engages in activities that demean and possibly psychologically damage children. Even if all they have are pictures on their computer, they are harming a child, because no child should be put in that situation. Unless Hogan starts harming people for being black, he is in no way comparable to a pedophile. I literally cannot believe it either because I never made that comparison. My point is that the idea that you cannot be punished for "feeling" racist about a certain group of people is, to me, ridiculous.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jul 27, 2015 12:55:15 GMT -5
Hogan is literally one of the most recognizable people on the planet.
Someone not that up on pop culture might mistake, I dunno, Al Pacino for Robert De Niro, somehow, in a "oh they're both dark haired white guys with Italian names" kind of a way. They might mistake Angelina Jolie for Sandra Bullock or something "Oh you're that famous one married to Brad Pitt aren't you?"
There is NO mistaking Hulk Hogan. Don't even risk being in a sex tape because it IS CLEARLY YOU.
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Post by Boozeman on Jul 27, 2015 12:55:21 GMT -5
Uh, WHAT? You'll have to quote the post where I said it's "okay for people to hurt others due to un-acted-upon thoughts in their head" because I can't seem to find it. The problem is you're speaking far too much in generalities. You keep using the word "punishment" which could mean literally anything. "Hogan shouldn't be punished for his feelings" makes it sound like NOTHING should happen to Hogan or his career because of this, but now you've moved on to talking about physical harm. It seems like you're just creating a straw man to argue against, because is anyone REALLY advocating physical harm against Hulk Hogan because he's racist? Maybe one or two people joked that they'd like to kick his ass or something, but I don't really see this huge movement of people desiring to beat up Hulk Hogan because he said the N-word a few times, so what EXACTLY are you arguing against? If your point is "people shouldn't be beaten up because they feel a certain way" then I think most people would agree with that, but is that really the point you're trying to make here? Dude... just stop quoting me please. I've said all I care to on the subject. We're not getting anywhere and you keep arguing via asking me questions... whether they be hypothetical involving dissimilar situations, wanting me to reiterate my clearly stated position or just nonsensical. If you really want to continue fine. I'm really trying to get you to understand my position and to understand yours. If that's the case just re-read my posts over the last few pages (then read them again) and message me privately, we've taken up enough of the thread. It just really irks me to see people sticking up for an obvious racist jerk, so I'm trying to understand exactly what you are trying to say here, but it keeps changing. You started by saying Hogan shouldn't be punished for his feelings. You've now moved on to saying Hogan shouldn't be physically assaulted for his feelings. I think everyone would agree with that, so if that's all you're saying then I guess we're done here.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jul 27, 2015 12:55:31 GMT -5
Hogan never AGREED to make a sex tape to begin with...
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 27, 2015 12:55:46 GMT -5
He didn't agree to a sex tape he was filmed secretly for extortion.
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Post by Boozeman on Jul 27, 2015 12:57:11 GMT -5
He didn't agree to make the tape, but he certainly put himself in a really bad position by being there with his buddies wife in the first place. Not to stereotype, but he's a college dropout who has spent the better part of the last 30 years of his life living almost 24/7 as a fake wrestling character in a carny business. I'm sure at some point the lines blurred and fiction became reality for him. That doesn't mean every college dropout is dumb, but when you add it all up, Hogan not being a very smart guy doesn't seem too far-fetched.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 12:58:43 GMT -5
The fool is burying himself
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jul 27, 2015 13:00:01 GMT -5
We're all sitting here in front of our computers/tablets/phones making judgments about a man we've never met who was recorded saying something really stupid at the lowest point on his life, with no other documented occurrences of racism. In fact, many who have had personal relationships/friendships with Hogan (including African-Americans) have cone to his defense and said he's not a racist/they've never heard him say the n-word or other racist things. I think I'll side with the people that actually know him.
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Post by Boozeman on Jul 27, 2015 13:01:21 GMT -5
We're all sitting here in front of our computers/tablets/phones making judgments about a man we've never met who was recorded saying something really stupid at the lowest point on his life, with no other documented occurrences of racism. In fact, many who have had personal relationships/friendships with Hogan (including African-Americans) have cone to his defense and said he's not a racist/they've never heard him say the n-word or other racist things. I think I'll side with the people that actually know him. Hulk Hogan: "I'm a racist" Friends of Hulk: "He's not a racist." Aaaaand your conclusion is that you'd rather believe everyone other than the man himself WHO ADMITS HE'S RACIST?
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jul 27, 2015 13:09:40 GMT -5
We're all sitting here in front of our computers/tablets/phones making judgments about a man we've never met who was recorded saying something really stupid at the lowest point on his life, with no other documented occurrences of racism. In fact, many who have had personal relationships/friendships with Hogan (including African-Americans) have cone to his defense and said he's not a racist/they've never heard him say the n-word or other racist things. I think I'll side with the people that actually know him. Hulk Hogan: "I'm a racist" Friends of Hulk: "He's not a racist." Aaaaand your conclusion is that you'd rather believe everyone other than the man himself WHO ADMITS HE'S RACIST? The dude wasn't in a good mindset when he said it. He admits it was the lowest point in his life. So...Yes. Yes I will. I completely see his depression altering his entire view on life and everything around him.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 27, 2015 13:15:37 GMT -5
How do you have Kliq week with no nWo?
I mean, Razor and Diesel were big time stars in the WWF, but still...
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Post by Larryhausen on Jul 27, 2015 13:15:44 GMT -5
We're all sitting here in front of our computers/tablets/phones making judgments about a man we've never met who was recorded saying something really stupid at the lowest point on his life, with no other documented occurrences of racism. In fact, many who have had personal relationships/friendships with Hogan (including African-Americans) have cone to his defense and said he's not a racist/they've never heard him say the n-word or other racist things. I think I'll side with the people that actually know him. Hulk Hogan: "I'm a racist" Friends of Hulk: "He's not a racist." Aaaaand your conclusion is that you'd rather believe everyone other than the man himself WHO ADMITS HE'S RACIST? Yes, it's completely possible that that moment was a realization for him, that he had never consciously had those thoughts before, and something pushed him over the edge, and maybe that was the moment he finally admitted it to himself. How many people have actually heard the conversation, rather than read the transcript? As we all know extremely well, text only can hide context and intent. Maybe the day after, Hogan remembered what he said, called one of those people, maybe Kamala. A man who has NOTHING to gain from supporting him now. Maybe he called him and said, "look brother, I said some shit last night that I never ever even thought was in me. I'm sorry." Maybe he sought help afterwards. Who knows. Until more comes out, such as more instances of his racism, I can DEFINITELY believe that it was a one time outburst by a man at rock bottom. And if I'm wrong, I will gladly accept that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 13:18:53 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan: "I'm a racist" Friends of Hulk: "He's not a racist." Aaaaand your conclusion is that you'd rather believe everyone other than the man himself WHO ADMITS HE'S RACIST? The dude wasn't in a good mindset when he said it. He admits it was the lowest point in his life. So...Yes. Yes I will. I completely see his depression altering his entire view on life and everything around him. Maybe he was. Maybe he was at a huge low and was in a dark place. Maybe we ignore the fact he was being filmed at his most private moment and revealed his own thoughts. Or maybe we look at this reaction. Maybe we look at the lack of acquiescence. Maybe we look at how he has continued to retweet tweets of support, even when they're clearly joke. Maybe we look at the refusal to accept the consequences of his act, no matter the context, and to work to rehabilitate his image. Depression is no joke. It is something that I have seen haunt many of those I've loved and I take it damn seriously. I had an aunt-in-law who was so bi-polar that she literally stripped naked, ran through the streets and robbed a supermarket. But the ones I knew recovered accepted the consequences of what they said and worked to heal the damage they have done. Hogan is not doing that, his response demonstrates feeling like a victim. Which, regardless of consequence, he's not.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jul 27, 2015 13:26:13 GMT -5
Speaking of, New Jack tweeted a picture of Knobbs that nearly made me throw up. What could be so bad that he tweeted a pic of? *goes to look*
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 27, 2015 13:29:42 GMT -5
Hogan's not a racist, it's society's fault!
Hogan was depressed, and that made him racist for just like a minute!
The dog pissed on the rug, so Hogan clearly isn't racist.
Apples are a fruit, so I think it's fairly obvious that Hogan isn't a racist.
Dennis Rodman says Hogan's not a racist. There's no higher authority on the matter than Dennis Rodman.
Are we living in some kind of nightmare world where people honestly, truly believe Hulk Hogan is the good guy in this situation? Do you realize how absurd trying to defend him comes off?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 27, 2015 13:29:47 GMT -5
I think Mayonnaise pretty much nailed it here: Exactly. There seems to be some sort of belief that unless you hate every person of a race and you're out lynching, burning down houses and fire bombing churches you aren't a racist despite that being the rarest type. Most racism is quiet and carried out in thought over deliberate action, especially in this day and age. Yeah Hogan worked with some African Americans but he also just showed he doesn't want them around his family unless they can bring him money or some other benefit. That is racism. It is classic "All [blanks] are [blank], except you John Doe, you're one of the good ones".
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Post by somsta on Jul 27, 2015 13:32:43 GMT -5
I've struggled with depression my whole life. It's never made me racist. Maybe that's just me.
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