Boozeman
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Post by Boozeman on Jul 27, 2015 13:33:02 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan: "I'm a racist" Friends of Hulk: "He's not a racist." Aaaaand your conclusion is that you'd rather believe everyone other than the man himself WHO ADMITS HE'S RACIST? Yes, it's completely possible that that moment was a realization for him, that he had never consciously had those thoughts before, and something pushed him over the edge, and maybe that was the moment he finally admitted it to himself. How many people have actually heard the conversation, rather than read the transcript? As we all know extremely well, text only can hide context and intent. Maybe the day after, Hogan remembered what he said, called one of those people, maybe Kamala. A man who has NOTHING to gain from supporting him now. Maybe he called him and said, "look brother, I said some shit last night that I never ever even thought was in me. I'm sorry." Maybe he sought help afterwards. Who knows. Until more comes out, such as more instances of his racism, I can DEFINITELY believe that it was a one time outburst by a man at rock bottom. And if I'm wrong, I will gladly accept that. That's certainly a lot of if's and maybe's. I might be more inclined to believe it was a one-time slip-up if it were a teenager (like the Justin Bieber thing), but when we're talking about a 50-plus year old man who was raised in the South going on a racist tangent, it's hard for me to find why he deserves any benefit of the doubt. The dude wasn't in a good mindset when he said it. He admits it was the lowest point in his life. So...Yes. Yes I will. I completely see his depression altering his entire view on life and everything around him. Maybe he was. Maybe he was at a huge low and was in a dark place. Maybe we ignore the fact he was being filmed at his most private moment and revealed his own thoughts. Or maybe we look at this reaction. Maybe we look at the lack of acquiescence. Maybe we look at how he has continued to retweet tweets of support, even when they're clearly joke. Maybe we look at the refusal to accept the consequences of his act, no matter the context, and to work to rehabilitate his image. Depression is no joke. It is something that I have seen haunt many of those I've loved and I take it damn seriously. I had an aunt-in-law who was so bi-polar that she literally stripped naked, ran through the streets and robbed a supermarket. But the ones I knew recovered accepted the consequences of what they said and worked to heal the damage they have done. Hogan is not doing that, his response demonstrates feeling like a victim. Which, regardless of consequence, he's not. This. I've had low points in my life. I've been depressed, experienced loss and heartbreak. I've never once used that as an excuse to let racist or bigoted thoughts enter my brain. I don't really think there's any correlation between the two.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Jul 27, 2015 13:36:17 GMT -5
We're all sitting here in front of our computers/tablets/phones making judgments about a man we've never met who was recorded saying something really stupid at the lowest point on his life, with no other documented occurrences of racism. In fact, many who have had personal relationships/friendships with Hogan (including African-Americans) have cone to his defense and said he's not a racist/they've never heard him say the n-word or other racist things. I think I'll side with the people that actually know him. Even after his retweeting (and refusal to take a certain retweet down) proves he doesn't understand what he did was wrong and is pretty remorseless about being a self-proclaimed racist?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 27, 2015 13:36:29 GMT -5
Look man, Hogan only said one racist thing. So clearly he's not a racist.
Now, if he said two racist things.
Nah, I think we're good with just the one. That seals the deal up pretty tight.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Jul 27, 2015 13:40:13 GMT -5
Anyone that defended him on Saturday must be feeling a bit more undecided now. I mean the fact he retweeted some of the stuff he did including THAT tweet shows that he doesn't really believe he has done anything wrong.
Or maybe us fans just don't know it's a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jul 27, 2015 13:40:20 GMT -5
Didn't wanna post all of the tweets together, so I'm copying them word for word. I couldn't have said this better myself.
From @nash076:
The Hulk Hogan thing reminds me that we still look at racism in the wrong way: it's not about magic bad words people day. Hulk Hogan's alleged quotes are racist, but they're "obvious" racism, like a bomb going off. It seems the only kind we acknowledge. Had Hogan couched his words differently, the media wouldn't have taken notice and would likely be defended in some places. With Hogan, he dropped an "n" bomb. Most racism is more like a radon gas; it's killing us slowly and nobody seems to notice or care. The media only seems to care about the racism it can "prove" with a smoking gun, but racism is designed to be systemic and subtle. We should be concerned about racism we can see, like Hogan's. But we should be more concerned about the kind that's hidden in plain sight.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jul 27, 2015 13:42:00 GMT -5
You're right, your depression is the same as my depression is the same as the next guys depression is the same as Hogan's depression. There can never be a difference in how it effects people. Spot on. </sarcasm>
Maybe his dad was racist and instilled that in his son early on. Maybe it's something that's lingered for years but he's never had an issue with it or acted out on it, like I would tend to believe by the outpouring of support from people who ACTUALLY KNOW THE GUY. Kamala, Rodman, Foreman. And in this moment of desperation at the lowest point in his life that's driven him to do something so insanely stupid so as to agree to sleep with his best friend's wife his depressed low feelings cause this to bubble up and he said something terrible. I'm not trying to excuse what he said or act like it's okay to say. But given the situation and the mindset he was in, I think the vilification and acting like this is a black and white situation (no pun intended) is overboard.
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Post by kieran on Jul 27, 2015 13:42:08 GMT -5
I'm really glad you guys stopped arguing with kieren the other day. All he seemed to want to do was find excuses to defend Hogan. If you still want to support him, that's fine, but don't ignore hard evidence (Even if it's from slimy sources) and make excuses for the guy. Also, I don't know what the Tweet was, but I'm not gonna bother looking for it, so I'm gonna assume Hogan made a bad situation worse. If your going to name drop me, pay attention to the content of the posts you're referring to, and the spelling of my name. I did'nt see it as an argument, I was having a conversation with someone, also I decided to stop replying because some others on the board had simliar views to mine and were able to express them far more eloquently. And if you're going to comment on current affairs you might want to rethink the sections of your post that I've highlighted.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 27, 2015 13:44:05 GMT -5
Just, reading some of this...
I didn't realize Eric Bischoff had nothing better to do this week than argue with us ten percenters about poor little Hulky's depression.
I don't care if he was depressed. It's not an excuse, and you sound absurd.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Jul 27, 2015 13:45:22 GMT -5
And it's not like his one racist thing was a racist joke, or a slip of the tongue, or quoting a work of fiction or quoting something racist he heard or verbally alphabetizing his Richard Pryor and Ol' Dirty Bastard albums or a heat of the moment outburst or a sly implication etc.
Honestly, how many ways are there to possibly interpret "I mean, I am a racist...f***ing n*****s?" followed by an extensive rant on how his daughter shouldn't be dating a certain young black male because he doesn't have the monetary standings of the only other black males he would approve of, but still not approve enough to refer to them with the respect a human deserves.
Even with the black people who've come to his defense, that retweet from yesterday, July 26th, 2015 is so horrifyingly damning, and even with people repeatedly calling him out for it on Twitter, he's not even taking it down or making a statement about it. He's waving either his open racism and/or his self-contained stubborn white bubble in everyone's faces.
Regardless where he's from or how he grew up, nobody who has had his kind of world experiences should in any way be excused in having such beliefs.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jul 27, 2015 13:47:32 GMT -5
Even if Hogan is depressed, he still doesn't get a pass for saying what he said. I've struggled with depression myself, which once got so bad that I nearly had to be placed in an institution for fear of hurting myself. However, not once in that time did I ever have a feeling of hatred towards another race.
Hogan is a racist, plain and simple. The man clearly said it himself, and even retweeted a tweet which asked why he can't get a pass for saying that word but others can. There's no getting around that.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 27, 2015 13:47:24 GMT -5
Didn't wanna post all of the tweets together, so I'm copying them word for word. I couldn't have said this better myself. From @nash076: The Hulk Hogan thing reminds me that we still look at racism in the wrong way: it's not about magic bad words people day. Hulk Hogan's alleged quotes are racist, but they're "obvious" racism, like a bomb going off. It seems the only kind we acknowledge. Had Hogan couched his words differently, the media wouldn't have taken notice and would likely be defended in some places. With Hogan, he dropped an "n" bomb. Most racism is more like a radon gas; it's killing us slowly and nobody seems to notice or care. The media only seems to care about the racism it can "prove" with a smoking gun, but racism is designed to be systemic and subtle. We should be concerned about racism we can see, like Hogan's. But we should be more concerned about the kind that's hidden in plain sight. Isn't the "Radon gas" "subtle" racism the entire second half of the statement where he quantifies what would make a black man worthy of dating his daughter? I mean, if you made a checklist of things that can be unpacked in a racist statement, Hogan's would tick every box short of advocating genocide.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jul 27, 2015 13:49:24 GMT -5
Didn't wanna post all of the tweets together, so I'm copying them word for word. I couldn't have said this better myself. From @nash076: The Hulk Hogan thing reminds me that we still look at racism in the wrong way: it's not about magic bad words people day. Hulk Hogan's alleged quotes are racist, but they're "obvious" racism, like a bomb going off. It seems the only kind we acknowledge. Had Hogan couched his words differently, the media wouldn't have taken notice and would likely be defended in some places. With Hogan, he dropped an "n" bomb. Most racism is more like a radon gas; it's killing us slowly and nobody seems to notice or care. The media only seems to care about the racism it can "prove" with a smoking gun, but racism is designed to be systemic and subtle. We should be concerned about racism we can see, like Hogan's. But we should be more concerned about the kind that's hidden in plain sight. Isn't the "Radon gas" "subtle" racism the entire second half of the statement where he quantifies what would make a black man worthy of dating his daughter? I mean, if you made a checklist of things that can be unpacked in a racist statement, Hogan's would tick every box short of advocating genocide. Yes it is, absolutely.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Jul 27, 2015 13:49:54 GMT -5
As an American I don't know who any of those football players are. Is the scandal that people are simply pretending to be celebrities that they are not or is there something racist about the players whose photos are being used? I don't get it.
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Post by kieran on Jul 27, 2015 13:53:42 GMT -5
On a side, who believes that it's actually Hogan himself running his Twitter account? You think his Twitter profile is his main concern right now?
No doubt that the Tweets have been stupid but I think Hulk has FAAAR more pressing matters at the moment.
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Post by machomuta on Jul 27, 2015 13:55:24 GMT -5
If you still want to support him, that's fine, but don't ignore hard evidence (Even if it's from slimy sources) and make excuses for the guy. Tell that to the hypocrites who are defending Brock Lesnar for his anti-gay comment.
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Post by RedDevil on Jul 27, 2015 13:58:13 GMT -5
As an American I don't know who any of those football players are. Is the scandal that people are simply pretending to be celebrities that they are not or is there something racist about the players whose photos are being used? I don't get it. These players have no link to racism (though Rio Ferdinand's brother was the victim in a racial episode from the now former England captain, but that's not part of this in anyway that I can see) - I think it's just people having a laugh posting photos of people who are well known basically everywhere in the world except the US. I am surprised nobody has posted a message of support with a photo of Luis Suarez though, who was banned for 8 matches a few years ago for racially abusing a Manchester United player in a Premier League game - seems an obvious extension of the joke, such as it is
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 13:58:28 GMT -5
I've been depressed off and on for almost 10 years now..it hasn't made me racist...
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Post by kieran on Jul 27, 2015 13:58:21 GMT -5
Even if Hogan is depressed, he still doesn't get a pass for saying what he said. I've struggled with depression myself, which once got so bad that I nearly had to be placed in an institution for fear of hurting myself. However, not once in that time did I ever have a feeling of hatred towards another race. Hogan is a racist, plain and simple. The man clearly said it himself, and even retweeted a tweet which asked why he can't get a pass for saying that word but others can. There's no getting around that. Lucky you, but someone suffering from depression would be wise enough to not compare their situation with others. There is'nt ONE form of depression or mental illness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 13:59:05 GMT -5
On a side, who believes that it's actually Hogan himself running his Twitter account? You think his Twitter profile is his main concern right now? No doubt that the Tweets have been stupid but I think Hulk has FAAAR more pressing matters at the moment. If he's not, then his poor choice of agency and lack of interest in how it reflects his image is of equal concern. Or he is. And he's screwing himself either way.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 27, 2015 13:59:06 GMT -5
On a side, who believes that it's actually Hogan himself running his Twitter account? You think his Twitter profile is his main concern right now? No doubt that the Tweets have been stupid but I think Hulk has FAAAR more pressing matters at the moment. That's exactly why it's him. He's sitting there trying to do his own version of damage control and making himself look like an idiot.
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