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Post by 67 more on Aug 8, 2015 1:59:40 GMT -5
do any news outlets even care about this at this point? Muhamed Ali dodged the draft during wartime and his legacy is fine. So refusing to fight in a war is the same as appaling racism?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 8, 2015 2:00:43 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm saying this, but now I really need to see Hulk Hogan's sex tape It would be kind of interesting to know how he spun a racist rant into "Hey, baby, ready for Hulkamania to run wild on you?!"
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 8, 2015 2:08:28 GMT -5
You know, I think as a whole we're being too hard on Brooke. I've always liked Brooke more than her brother. She always seemed to be more of the level headed, down to earth, and definitely not spoiled considering how hard Hulk and Linda were on her compared to Nick. So I'll cut her some slack when it comes to her comments.
Regardless of whether it's the n word or whatever, racism on both sides of the spectrum isn't okay at all. Just like African-Americans shouldn't appreciate being called the n word, Caucasian's shouldn't be okay with being called racism epithets either.
However, the real harsh reality is the n word has such a heavy, brutal, and hateful toxic history behind it that it'll never be a word that's to be shrugged off or compared to something else. I also truly don't believe Hogan was this closet KKK member either, racism like this is inside the individual from the beginning, and I honestly believe if he was this hardcore racist someone would've called him out on it by now. Instead of it happening eight years later.
Someone like Warrior, Bret, Savage, Flair, and Shawn definitely would've called him out on it in a heartbeat.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 8, 2015 2:29:59 GMT -5
do any news outlets even care about this at this point? Muhamed Ali dodged the draft during wartime and his legacy is fine. Yes, because those things are completely comparable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 2:47:18 GMT -5
Hogan is an old man who comes from a time when saying racist and homophobic things was much more accepted.
Not saying he is in the right in the slightest but in our culture we have this obsession with witch hunts and destroying peoples reputations when really we should be looking at our society and culture as a whole. There's a lot of f***ed up racist shit that has been going on for centuries and still is (but is so ingrained in our society that we don't even notice/question it), one old idiot celebrity at likely his lowest point in life who by the sounds of these quotes has no idea what he is talking about running his mouth in what was intended to be a private conversation should be the least of our worries.
Convenient stories like this exist to distract us from the real race issues.
I've left commenting on this for a long time. But I've had enough of this idiocy now.
If any ones elder relatives said something like Hogan has we'd brush it off to the side, again I am not saying it is right in the slightest, but you have to accept elder people lived through times when racism was more accepted and even outrightly encouraged. It is still encouraged nowadays but in much less obvious ways.
I'm not going to go too far further in to this because I'll end up getting in to politics and breaking the board rules.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Aug 8, 2015 3:07:43 GMT -5
do any news outlets even care about this at this point? Muhamed Ali dodged the draft during wartime and his legacy is fine. So refusing to fight in a war is the same as appaling racism? I'd say it's certainly not the same thing. The two personalities are interesting when compared, though. At the same time, Ali was certainly a racist by most standards. He was a racial separatist who believe that white and black people should live separately and not intermarry--going so far to say that people should be killed for intermarrying--he has tons of racist quotes of that nature that can be found. People tend to forgive him about this for numerous reasons--whether that's fair or not is in the eye of the beholder. I think he moved past that stage of life as he became older, but I am not certain.
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Post by 67 more on Aug 8, 2015 3:18:38 GMT -5
So refusing to fight in a war is the same as appaling racism? I'd say it's certainly not the same thing. The two personalities are interesting when compared, though. At the same time, Ali was certainly a racist by most standards. He was a racial separatist who believe that white and black people should live separately and not intermarry--going so far to say that people should be killed for intermarrying--he has tons of racist quotes of that nature that can be found. People tend to forgive him about this for numerous reasons--whether that's fair or not is in the eye of the beholder. Oh, Ali was definitely a racist, but he at least dropped those racist beliefs later in life, whereas Hogan has not, judging by his retweets. If Hogan had truly been sorry about his actions in 2008, the outrage wouldn't be so bad, but he really doesn't think there's anything wrong with what he said.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Aug 8, 2015 3:26:24 GMT -5
I'd say it's certainly not the same thing. The two personalities are interesting when compared, though. At the same time, Ali was certainly a racist by most standards. He was a racial separatist who believe that white and black people should live separately and not intermarry--going so far to say that people should be killed for intermarrying--he has tons of racist quotes of that nature that can be found. People tend to forgive him about this for numerous reasons--whether that's fair or not is in the eye of the beholder. Oh, Ali was definitely a racist, but he at least dropped those racist beliefs later in life, whereas Hogan has not, judging by his retweets. If Hogan had truly been sorry about his actions in 2008, the outrage wouldn't be so bad, but he really doesn't think there's anything wrong with what he said. Hogan has not made himself look better--this is true. He certainly has been a pretty poor human being in his life, particularly during the events following Nick Hogan's car crash. There's still hope, though. A person is ultimately a mixture of their worst and their best--Hogan's (hopefully) got a lot of years left in him--he has time to do better. As I said early, we should not forget that he's done good in his life as well. That doesn't mean we should ignore the bad things or give him a free pass--but we should try to get a full picture of the guy.
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Post by machomuta on Aug 8, 2015 4:00:39 GMT -5
do any news outlets even care about this at this point? No. The only people who still care about it, are people who hate Hogan.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Aug 8, 2015 4:49:11 GMT -5
The future on his WWE status and Hogan's goodwill in general depends entirely on whether or not the raw audio from this ever leaks. Imagine the Michael Richards (Kramer) incident without the accompanying audio/video from that night. It would still hurt his career and image due to the very distasteful mantra, but it'd also go down as just him heckling the heckler for a reaction. Actually hearing it, and seeing it everywhere for like 2 years straight? That's what forced him to stay underground until the past few years. And even then, people still remember it. It's hard to forget the shocking footage.
If all people ever have is a brief transcript, it won't have the lasting impact to really damage his long-term career. Hogan is simply too important and too integral to wrestling and even pop culture. One more big apology or sappy damage control interview and he's back in WWE in 2016.
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Post by LuchaBella on Aug 8, 2015 4:52:54 GMT -5
If any ones elder relatives said something like Hogan has we'd brush it off to the side Nope. I'd flat out tell them its wrong.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 8, 2015 6:03:10 GMT -5
do any news outlets even care about this at this point? No. The only people who still care about it, are people who hate Hogan. And there are considerably more of those these days thanks to his racism.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Aug 8, 2015 6:09:01 GMT -5
I once headlined a thread that hit 432 pages brother
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 8, 2015 12:29:47 GMT -5
In fairness to Ali, didn't he have to deal with a lot of racism? Like not even being served food because of his colour.
Not saying his views were okay, but yeah.
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 8, 2015 12:36:53 GMT -5
Someone like Warrior, Bret, Savage, Flair, and Shawn definitely would've called him out on it in a heartbeat. Warrior was a racist too, as was Flair. And as for the others, if they had actually called Hogan out on his racism, would people have believed them over Hogan?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 8, 2015 12:38:25 GMT -5
Someone like Warrior, Bret, Savage, Flair, and Shawn definitely would've called him out on it in a heartbeat. Warrior was a racist too, as was Flair. And as for the others, if they had actually called Hogan out on his racism, would people have believed them over Hogan? I don't see why not. They'd have nothing to gain or lose by lying about it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 8, 2015 12:40:00 GMT -5
So refusing to fight in a war is the same as appaling racism? I'd say it's certainly not the same thing. The two personalities are interesting when compared, though. At the same time, Ali was certainly a racist by most standards. He was a racial separatist who believe that white and black people should live separately and not intermarry--going so far to say that people should be killed for intermarrying--he has tons of racist quotes of that nature that can be found. People tend to forgive him about this for numerous reasons--whether that's fair or not is in the eye of the beholder. I think he moved past that stage of life as he became older, but I am not certain. Context matters. Ali was a racial seperatist in an era where black kids were being bombed in church and segregation was still on the books. The culture at the time was racially polarised and heated. Hogan said all this shit in 2008.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Aug 8, 2015 12:40:25 GMT -5
I'd say it's certainly not the same thing. The two personalities are interesting when compared, though. At the same time, Ali was certainly a racist by most standards. He was a racial separatist who believe that white and black people should live separately and not intermarry--going so far to say that people should be killed for intermarrying--he has tons of racist quotes of that nature that can be found. People tend to forgive him about this for numerous reasons--whether that's fair or not is in the eye of the beholder. I think he moved past that stage of life as he became older, but I am not certain. Context matters. Ali was a racial seperatist in an era where black kids were being bombed in church and segregation was still on the books. The culture at the time was racially polarised and heated. Hogan said all this shit in 2008. This line of conversation is going to get this thread locked, so I'd really toe the line guys. Not to single you out, you were just the most recent person.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 8, 2015 12:48:09 GMT -5
Lawyer: "Is it true you were once asked to a part of Metallica?" Hogan: "It's true, brother!" Lawyer: "Well, we have a surprise witness, please welcome to the court Mr Lars Ulrich!" Hogan: "Oh noes brother!"
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Post by somsta on Aug 8, 2015 12:57:10 GMT -5
I've seen people defend Hogan saying things like "yeah, it's horrible BUT he's an old guy from the south." Which is true. But he's an old guy from the south that had traveled the world dozens of times over. He's seen vast and varied cultures. He's made millions of dollars from these cultures. He's not some mechanic who has never left Alabama. He's chosen to hold onto that racist mindset despite all this.
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