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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 8, 2015 12:59:02 GMT -5
Has Hogan ever actually been to Venice Beach, California?
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Aug 8, 2015 13:02:18 GMT -5
I bet his pythons are 20 inches at best.
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Post by BorneAgain on Aug 8, 2015 13:02:26 GMT -5
Has Hogan ever actually been to Venice Beach, California? In 1984, when (according to Hogan) he met a young Steve Borden and told him try out wrestling and suggested he do so with facepaint, and taught him how to do the Scorpion Death Lock as it might come in handy some day.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 8, 2015 13:03:15 GMT -5
If any ones elder relatives said something like Hogan has we'd brush it off to the side Nope. I'd flat out tell them its wrong. ^This. I deal with this every time my step-children's grandfather decides he's going to be "funny" Kicked him straight out of my house for it before. I'll do it again. I don't play that shit.
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 8, 2015 13:03:39 GMT -5
Warrior was a racist too, as was Flair. And as for the others, if they had actually called Hogan out on his racism, would people have believed them over Hogan? I don't see why not. They'd have nothing to gain or lose by lying about it. Remember that Hogan is one of the biggest names in wrestling, and that going up against him would have been career suicide. And even then, could they have actually proved anything? Could they have proved that Hogan was a racist, or would it have been their words against Hogan? There would have been a lot of people that would have shouted down anyone that tried to call out Hogan, and most likely, they would have lost. And remember that Hogan is charismatic, and a lot of people would have believed him over most people, and would have dismissed the words of those calling The Hulkster a racist as bitter ramblings. And remember, Shawn Michaels is a friend of Ric Flair and Triple H. Remember Booker T vs Triple H at Wrestlemania? I can see why, in addition to the reasons mentioned above, Shawn would keep quiet.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 8, 2015 13:21:36 GMT -5
do any news outlets even care about this at this point? Muhamed Ali dodged the draft during wartime and his legacy is fine. Ali was a conscientious objector to an illegal immoral war. Hulk Hogan was recorded saying incredibly racist statements. History tends to reflect on such actions differently.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 8, 2015 13:24:26 GMT -5
So refusing to fight in a war is the same as appaling racism? I'd say it's certainly not the same thing. The two personalities are interesting when compared, though. At the same time, Ali was certainly a racist by most standards. He was a racial separatist who believe that white and black people should live separately and not intermarry--going so far to say that people should be killed for intermarrying--he has tons of racist quotes of that nature that can be found. People tend to forgive him about this for numerous reasons--whether that's fair or not is in the eye of the beholder. I think he moved past that stage of life as he became older, but I am not certain. Ali was faced with crippling racism his entire life. Hogan was not. People are more understanding when a vocalized prejudice comes from a reactionary response from a lifetime of struggle, especially in a time like the 70s, rather than a multi-millionaire in 2006 casually popping off casual racism at the mouth.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Aug 8, 2015 14:12:00 GMT -5
I once headlined a thread that hit 432 pages brother And I slammed Mister Pigwell, who had over ninety nine thousand posts. He had zero posts the next day, brother.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 8, 2015 14:13:35 GMT -5
I once headlined a thread that hit 432 pages brother And I slammed Mister Pigwell, who had over ninety nine thousand posts. He had zero posts the next day, brother. That's what happened to my post count?!
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Post by 67 more on Aug 8, 2015 14:16:15 GMT -5
And I slammed Mister Pigwell, who had over ninety nine thousand posts. He had zero posts the next day, brother. That's what happened to my post count?! When no-one was looking, TWERKIN MAGGLE took all the posts. And that's terrible.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Aug 9, 2015 1:39:13 GMT -5
I'd say it's certainly not the same thing. The two personalities are interesting when compared, though. At the same time, Ali was certainly a racist by most standards. He was a racial separatist who believe that white and black people should live separately and not intermarry--going so far to say that people should be killed for intermarrying--he has tons of racist quotes of that nature that can be found. People tend to forgive him about this for numerous reasons--whether that's fair or not is in the eye of the beholder. I think he moved past that stage of life as he became older, but I am not certain. Ali was faced with crippling racism his entire life. Hogan was not. People are more understanding when a vocalized prejudice comes from a reactionary response from a lifetime of struggle, especially in a time like the 70s, rather than a multi-millionaire in 2006 casually popping off casual racism at the mouth. And that's one of the perspectives of people who give him a pass for it. It's certainly an understandable perspective. Still, it only goes to show that a person can be forgiven by the public for holding racist views and even advocating murder for people who have the audacity to want to be with the people they love. Obviously Ali and Hogan are two separate people who hold or held racist beliefs for different reasons. They spoke their beliefs about racial mixing in different time periods. Ali, very publicly, in the 70s and Hogan off-the-cuff in the assumed privacy of a bedroom with a friend's wife just a few years ago. Ali was younger at the time and Hogan's not exactly a radicalized youth today. They're different situations, certainly. The thing I think it's important to focus on is this: 1) People are imperfect and sometimes this manifests itself in the form of ignorant and hateful beliefs. They come to hold these beliefs for various reasons. None of these reasons excuse the behavior, but it gives them context. 2) People are capable of moving past those beliefs and living better lives. It's also completely possible for the to be forgiven by the public for their previous mistakes, not matter how high-profile they are. 3) People can simultaneously do a lot of good, inspiring things and still be horrendously disappointing in other areas of their live. We should realize the complexity of people. We should condemn their negative excesses, but we should be just as ready to applaud them when they improve and acknowledge the good things they've done as well. There are very few people beyond redemption. Ali should certainly be forgiven for his past mistakes--he already has been for some time. He's earned it, unless he's never walked those statements back. I'm sure he has, because he mellowed significantly as he got older. I wonder if he's ever gone on the record about it in more recent times? Hogan, if he makes similar amends, should also be forgiven in the future. He has a long road to travel on that, though. His attempts at damage control on twitter were pretty bad. However, I would not be surprised to see him move past this as well.
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Post by sdjonesbackhole on Aug 9, 2015 4:40:09 GMT -5
look folks, hogan has rolled around with sweaty black men in their underpants for 30 yrs, he's not racist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 6:52:04 GMT -5
Can I just ask, why is Hogan even in court?
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Post by sdjonesbackhole on Aug 9, 2015 7:10:48 GMT -5
He has a lawsuit against gawker over the sex tape.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 13:08:44 GMT -5
I've seen people defend Hogan saying things like "yeah, it's horrible BUT he's an old guy from the south." Which is true. But he's an old guy from the south that had traveled the world dozens of times over. He's seen vast and varied cultures. He's made millions of dollars from these cultures. He's not some mechanic who has never left Alabama. He's chosen to hold onto that racist mindset despite all this. He traveled the world as part of the WWF in the pro wrestling business, which has no shortage of racism. Not necessarily overt racism, but institutional and casual racism? Absolutely. People get into that bubble when they're young and often times don't really grow up. They're traveling the world, but they're doing it surrounded by a bunch of fellow manchildren who are there to work and party. It depends on the person, but one could easily not learn a damn thing about any culture. Just seeing other cultures doesn't automatically equate to respect for them.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 9, 2015 13:53:46 GMT -5
Lawyer: "Is it true you were once asked to a part of Metallica?" Hogan: "It's true, brother!" Lawyer: "Well, we have a surprise witness, please welcome to the court Mr Lars Ulrich!" Hogan: "Oh noes brother!" Hogan: Well let me tell you something, I knew this cat way back in 1992 when he was called Lance Evers and worked for WCW, a scrawny canadian kid who didn't have it, brother. I took him under my 24" python/wing and turned him into the rock god he is today, jack. Lawyer: That was 2000, Lance Storm, he was in his 30s and you left the company a month after his debut. Hogan: Uh...
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Aug 9, 2015 14:06:03 GMT -5
I'm guessing they brought up Wrestlemania III in the deposition, and he claimed to lift that 10,000 pound stinky giant up over his head and slam him all the way to the abyss, and he told the FBI he lifted the more accurately 100,000 pound slimy, stinky, ugly giant 50 over his head, Jack, and slammed him to the depths of hell, brother. This seems like entrapment to me. I think it was when they asked him about his music career. He told Gawker he played bass in Metallica, brother, whereas the FBI got the more accurate story that Lars and James simply contributed a couple of parts to the Wrestling Boot Band record.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Aug 11, 2015 11:39:16 GMT -5
Poor delusional f***er
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 11, 2015 11:41:56 GMT -5
He's going to become the last TNA champion isn't he?
A fitting end.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 12:10:08 GMT -5
He has a lawsuit against gawker over the sex tape. But what the f*** has the FBI got to do with it.
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