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Post by MAD TITAN on Jul 27, 2015 23:07:16 GMT -5
We're really about to have a Cena/Sheamus feud for the WWE title after SummerSlam
This company is duped
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Post by Chiral on Jul 27, 2015 23:08:28 GMT -5
RAW didn't even break 90 pages tonight. And we're on the build for SummerSlam. Is it bad that I'm excited about the ratings report?
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 27, 2015 23:09:41 GMT -5
RAW didn't even break 90 pages tonight. And we're on the build for SummerSlam. I think for the past two or three weeks I've just checked out after the opening segment. It doesn't help that they been throwing Orton/Sheamus/Big Show/Ryback/Miz into that spot after the opening. Just soooooooooooooo boring.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 27, 2015 23:09:42 GMT -5
Yeah no, Im not gonna break shit over this. Im more... frustrated and annoyed with Cena because I'm really just more tired of this same old shit routine and his constant victories over other stars who have clearly shown they deserve the Rubs. It's just depressing to see CENA WINS LOL every year. In 2015 it's even more distracting and apparent given Cena is clearly being outclassed by a lot of the roster with the new NXT callus. It's just time for a change and Vince won't let it happen... Technically, the fans are the ones that won't let it happen. People keep buying his merchandise, watching the media appearances/TV shows/movies he does, cheering for him during matches, etc. Vince is just reacting to the fans' desire to see John Cena and how much money he makes for the company. Bull. Shit.
I get Cena is a draw but he's 38, he's not gonna last forever. You need to start giving other guys the push, the rubs, the media appearences, the merch, you need to start MAKING MORE STARS. Cena is not going to hold up forever
Half of the fans Boo Cena at almost every venue he's at, so if Vince wants to gage a crowd then he should realize that Cena isn't appealing top everyone and in 2015 that's showing even more. There are NO STARS that are established other than F***ing Cena. I'm just fed up with it at this point. We need new guys, we need stars who can be great and can carry this company. Owens, Rusev, Cesaro, those guys. They are the future, Cena isn't
It's times like this where I realize how horribly timed Daniel Bryans Injuries really are... the one dude they invested into making a star gets hurt immediately after he makes it, that's just the horrid luck we all have and the WWE has...
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 27, 2015 23:13:07 GMT -5
OK, so you're not as angry as your typing makes it appear. That's cool. Really, this whole time you've been here, I've been picturing this when it comes to Cena matters... Yeah no, Im not gonna break shit over this. Im more... frustrated and annoyed with Cena because I'm really just more tired of this same old shit routine and his constant victories over other stars who have clearly shown they deserve the Rubs. It's just depressing to see CENA WINS LOL every year. In 2015 it's even more distracting and apparent given Cena is clearly being outclassed by a lot of the roster with the new NXT callus. It's just time for a change and Vince won't let it happen... Look, I'm not going to say that WWE don't need a change or fresher talents in the main events or dialing back on Cena in general, because they do. I know that, and I've never denied that. The only thing I'm really against is this idea of "They lost to Cena, so they're NEVER EVER EVER going to be a top guy EVER" and how it's turned a competitive loss into a f***ing meme. I HATE that, and it takes a lot for me to say that.
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Post by Chiral on Jul 27, 2015 23:16:43 GMT -5
Yeah no, Im not gonna break shit over this. Im more... frustrated and annoyed with Cena because I'm really just more tired of this same old shit routine and his constant victories over other stars who have clearly shown they deserve the Rubs. It's just depressing to see CENA WINS LOL every year. In 2015 it's even more distracting and apparent given Cena is clearly being outclassed by a lot of the roster with the new NXT callus. It's just time for a change and Vince won't let it happen... I find it oddly vindicating because the ratings keep going down. WWE's behavior with the main event (and treatment of Cena) is becoming more and more reminiscent of late WCW and TNA. And they just don't care. YES! I agree, I feel bad but I agree. They don't deserve good ratings. And for all the times I argue with my brother about it and he says "well their business is good" as a retort I can be like "NOPE UH UH"...kinda, I don't know overall how money is doing but I know that ratings are down, tickets are down, execs are leaving rapidly...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 27, 2015 23:18:36 GMT -5
Yeah no, Im not gonna break shit over this. Im more... frustrated and annoyed with Cena because I'm really just more tired of this same old shit routine and his constant victories over other stars who have clearly shown they deserve the Rubs. It's just depressing to see CENA WINS LOL every year. In 2015 it's even more distracting and apparent given Cena is clearly being outclassed by a lot of the roster with the new NXT callus. It's just time for a change and Vince won't let it happen... Look, I'm not going to say that WWE don't need a change or fresher talents in the main events or dialing back on Cena in general, because they do. I know that, and I've never denied that. The only thing I'm really against is this idea of "They lost to Cena, so they're NEVER EVER EVER going to be a top guy EVER" and how it's turned a competitive loss into a f***ing meme. I HATE that, and it takes a lot for me to say that. Thing is if they want people to stop turning it into a meme then Booking needs to stop putting people who lose to Cena in perpetual Midcard Hell
Bray Wyatt has been there for two years... Sandow's just dropped off of the Planet. Owen's isn't there yet but he's teetering, he needs a rebound feud and I hope that whatever is going on with Owens/Cesaro/Orton/Sheamus is it. Put the Case on the line, have Owens win it, then turn it into a stand alone feud with Cesaro, give two guys who deserve it some stand alone star power. And Rusev, who also lost to Cena, three times, needs a big rebound, and NEEDS to beat Dolph
Its a matter of bouncing back from Cena, the fact that many haven't, is why the meme exists. It's been Cena or bust for a lot of guys lately, and if they don't beat Cena, looking good in defeat hasn't helped them. That's not to say they never will be stars... but man... if someone could just beat Cena in a feud it would be FANTASATIC...
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jul 27, 2015 23:19:01 GMT -5
Technically, the fans are the ones that won't let it happen. People keep buying his merchandise, watching the media appearances/TV shows/movies he does, cheering for him during matches, etc. Vince is just reacting to the fans' desire to see John Cena and how much money he makes for the company. Bull. Shit.
I get Cena is a draw but he's 38, he's not gonna last forever. You need to start giving other guys the push, the rubs, the media appearences, the merch, you need to start MAKING MORE STARS. Cena is not going to hold up forever
Half of the fans Boo Cena at almost every venue he's at, so if Vince wants to gage a crowd then he should realize that Cena isn't appealing top everyone and in 2015 that's showing even more. There are NO STARS that are established other than F***ing Cena. I'm just fed up with it at this point. We need new guys, we need stars who can be great and can carry this company. Owens, Rusev, Cesaro, those guys. They are the future, Cena isn't
It's times like this where I realize how horribly timed Daniel Bryans Injuries really are... the one dude they invested into making a star gets hurt immediately after he makes it, that's just the horrid luck we all have and the WWE has...
...they tried with Reigns *ducks*
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 27, 2015 23:20:36 GMT -5
and how it's turned a competitive loss into a f***ing meme. I HATE that, and it takes a lot for me to say that. But, that's the problem. It's turned it into a meme. I think that letting out the rage amongst other wrestling fans is the only way to deal with Cena hate. At least, here on FAN *thumbs up*, there are rational peers that understand the frustration and let it out together. Yeah, the fires get a little too hot sometimes, and the mods have to contain it, but in some ways, I think a lot of us need it. WWE's problem is whoever it is keeping Cena on top isn't willing to reign it in. They don't have new stars that could take some of the weight off Cena. But they won't build stars that could take some of the weight off Cena.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 23:21:00 GMT -5
Yeah no, Im not gonna break shit over this. Im more... frustrated and annoyed with Cena because I'm really just more tired of this same old shit routine and his constant victories over other stars who have clearly shown they deserve the Rubs. It's just depressing to see CENA WINS LOL every year. In 2015 it's even more distracting and apparent given Cena is clearly being outclassed by a lot of the roster with the new NXT callus. It's just time for a change and Vince won't let it happen... Look, I'm not going to say that WWE don't need a change or fresher talents in the main events or dialing back on Cena in general, because they do. I know that, and I've never denied that. The only thing I'm really against is this idea of "They lost to Cena, so they're NEVER EVER EVER going to be a top guy EVER" and how it's turned a competitive loss into a f***ing meme. I HATE that, and it takes a lot for me to say that. A competitive loss to John Cena and a couple bucks will get you a cup of coffee. It'd be nice if losing a competitive match to Cena was actually a sign that the company wanted to do something about it, but more often than not, it appears that this isn't the case. I find it oddly vindicating because the ratings keep going down. WWE's behavior with the main event (and treatment of Cena) is becoming more and more reminiscent of late WCW and TNA. And they just don't care. YES! I agree, I feel bad but I agree. They don't deserve good ratings. And for all the times I argue with my brother about it and he says "well their business is good" as a retort I can be like "NOPE UH UH"...kinda, I don't know overall how money is doing but I know that ratings are down, tickets are down, execs are leaving rapidly... The old model isn't working, yet WWE's response seems to be that using the old model is the only thing that can save them. I can't say that I find the whole thing sad because I don't. Seeing their mistakes catch up with them is extremely amusing.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Jul 27, 2015 23:21:20 GMT -5
Guaranteed if this was 14 years ago
Triple H would've been U.S. and WWE Champion right now.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 27, 2015 23:22:20 GMT -5
...they tried with Reigns *ducks* Yeah, but that was more of a strong arm than an attempt. You WILL accept this man as your new top guy or there won't be a new one.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 27, 2015 23:22:59 GMT -5
Bull. Shit.
I get Cena is a draw but he's 38, he's not gonna last forever. You need to start giving other guys the push, the rubs, the media appearences, the merch, you need to start MAKING MORE STARS. Cena is not going to hold up forever
Half of the fans Boo Cena at almost every venue he's at, so if Vince wants to gage a crowd then he should realize that Cena isn't appealing top everyone and in 2015 that's showing even more. There are NO STARS that are established other than F***ing Cena. I'm just fed up with it at this point. We need new guys, we need stars who can be great and can carry this company. Owens, Rusev, Cesaro, those guys. They are the future, Cena isn't
It's times like this where I realize how horribly timed Daniel Bryans Injuries really are... the one dude they invested into making a star gets hurt immediately after he makes it, that's just the horrid luck we all have and the WWE has...
...they tried with Reigns *ducks* They showed with Reigns that they don't even know how to make a star right. There are stars who just organically connect with a crowd and know what they're doing. Owens, Cesaro, Rusev, etc. Reigns was... there. He wasn't bad but you could tell his promos were forced, his offense was alright but nothing too spectacular, and he was a Hot Tag Meme for a few months
And when the Rumble rolled around, he was destroyed due to Daniel Bryan being eliminated halfway through the match. Not only was it then obvious he would win, but they made it the WORST ENDING TO A RUMBLE EVER, by just dumping the last guys the people loved in Ziggler and Ambrose over the ropes and leaving him in there with the Local Men. Te Rock couldn't even save the heat Philly gave Roman. Rusev getting eliminated by him was the Icing on the Shit Sundae. They RUINED Roman Reigns with that booking. He wasn't ready, and it was so predictable and contrived that a wrestling town like Philly just completely shat all over everything about it. Reigns has improved, but in one night they made sure that he would not be their guy any time soon... just incredibly bad...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 23:25:09 GMT -5
Bull. Shit.
I get Cena is a draw but he's 38, he's not gonna last forever. You need to start giving other guys the push, the rubs, the media appearences, the merch, you need to start MAKING MORE STARS. Cena is not going to hold up forever
Half of the fans Boo Cena at almost every venue he's at, so if Vince wants to gage a crowd then he should realize that Cena isn't appealing top everyone and in 2015 that's showing even more. There are NO STARS that are established other than F***ing Cena. I'm just fed up with it at this point. We need new guys, we need stars who can be great and can carry this company. Owens, Rusev, Cesaro, those guys. They are the future, Cena isn't
It's times like this where I realize how horribly timed Daniel Bryans Injuries really are... the one dude they invested into making a star gets hurt immediately after he makes it, that's just the horrid luck we all have and the WWE has...
...they tried with Reigns *ducks* I truly believe that they didn't. They cut the poor guy off at the knees by pushing him before he had proven himself as capable of having good singles matches. They booked him in promos that made him look like a total geek. They also turned him into the whipping boy of angry Bryan fans and general disaffected fans who were furious at how misused Bryan was at the Royal Rumble. Reigns may never recover from that. They had something special and they went and ruined it.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jul 27, 2015 23:31:37 GMT -5
...they tried with Reigns *ducks* I truly believe that they didn't. They cut the poor guy off at the knees by pushing him before he had proven himself as capable of having good singles matches. They booked him in promos that made him look like a total geek. They also turned him into the whipping boy of angry Bryan fans and general disaffected fans who were furious at how misused Bryan was at the Royal Rumble. Reigns may never recover from that. They had something special and they went and ruined it. I don't think they saw it that way, though. I think they saw how Cena works and wanted to recreate that. Also, at the Rumble, they made it so he was the only good guy left, so we would have to cheer for him overcoming the odds. I don't think they honestly saw the backlash coming. Having Bryan in the match was a mistake, since there would be nothing but heat when he was eliminated. But they wanted to transfer that over to Roman (which can be seen clearly at the next ppv in their one on one match). I don't agree with it, but it was almost like the Backlund to Hogan passing of the torch. You had Backlund lose to Shieky Baby, and then push Hogan as the next guy. Only this time, we are 30 years later.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 23:35:39 GMT -5
I truly believe that they didn't. They cut the poor guy off at the knees by pushing him before he had proven himself as capable of having good singles matches. They booked him in promos that made him look like a total geek. They also turned him into the whipping boy of angry Bryan fans and general disaffected fans who were furious at how misused Bryan was at the Royal Rumble. Reigns may never recover from that. They had something special and they went and ruined it. I don't think they saw it that way, though. I think they saw how Cena works and wanted to recreate that. Also, at the Rumble, they made it so he was the only good guy left, so we would have to cheer for him overcoming the odds. I don't think they honestly saw the backlash coming. Having Bryan in the match was a mistake, since there would be nothing but heat when he was eliminated. But they wanted to transfer that over to Roman (which can be seen clearly at the next ppv in their one on one match). I don't agree with it, but it was almost like the Backlund to Hogan passing of the torch. You had Backlund lose to Shieky Baby, and then push Hogan as the next guy. Only this time, we are 30 years later. That's it though; saying "Here's your new main eventer, DEAL WITH IT" and actually building a new main eventer are two very different things. The way they presented Roman, it felt like a half-hearted imitation of Cena's rise to stardom. They didn't really try. I'm of the mind that they put in next to no effort because it offered an easy out to revert back to Cena. Push Roman without giving the guy any help, and if/when it doesn't work, claim they tried and immediately put Cena back in the spotlight.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 27, 2015 23:37:26 GMT -5
Guaranteed if this was 14 years ago Triple H would've been U.S. and WWE Champion right now. Cena will be at the end of Summerslam.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jul 27, 2015 23:38:47 GMT -5
I don't think they saw it that way, though. I think they saw how Cena works and wanted to recreate that. Also, at the Rumble, they made it so he was the only good guy left, so we would have to cheer for him overcoming the odds. I don't think they honestly saw the backlash coming. Having Bryan in the match was a mistake, since there would be nothing but heat when he was eliminated. But they wanted to transfer that over to Roman (which can be seen clearly at the next ppv in their one on one match). I don't agree with it, but it was almost like the Backlund to Hogan passing of the torch. You had Backlund lose to Shieky Baby, and then push Hogan as the next guy. Only this time, we are 30 years later. That's it though; saying "Here's your new main eventer, DEAL WITH IT" and actually building a new main eventer are two very different things. The way they presented Roman, it felt like a half-hearted imitation of Cena's rise to stardom. They didn't really try. I'm of the mind that they put in next to no effort because it offered an easy out to revert back to Cena. Push Roman without giving the guy any help, and if/when it doesn't work, claim they tried and immediately put Cena back in the spotlight. They did put Cena on the sideline with that whole "I'm old, close to retirement" storyline that has, thankfully, quietly been ended. That's where I second guess it... this is the same creative team that didnt have plans for Bryan at last years Wrestle mania until Punk left (besides Sheamus, but ehhh). I really think they are trying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 23:45:01 GMT -5
That's it though; saying "Here's your new main eventer, DEAL WITH IT" and actually building a new main eventer are two very different things. The way they presented Roman, it felt like a half-hearted imitation of Cena's rise to stardom. They didn't really try. I'm of the mind that they put in next to no effort because it offered an easy out to revert back to Cena. Push Roman without giving the guy any help, and if/when it doesn't work, claim they tried and immediately put Cena back in the spotlight. They did put Cena on the sideline with that whole "I'm old, close to retirement" storyline that has, thankfully, quietly been ended. That's where I second guess it... this is the same creative team that didnt have plans for Bryan at last years Wrestle mania until Punk left (besides Sheamus, but ehhh). I really think they are trying. For any other wrestler, I'd say that your idea is rock-solid. But Cena isn't like Bryan, or Punk, or any other guy they have on the roster. They place their shows atop his shoulders and have curtailed countless pushes in an effort to feed the guy a litany of up-and-coming stars. They don't have him take time off, either, and feature him as much as they can. I don't get the sense that they have any intention of stopping that cold turkey, and every other main eventer eventually gets pushed off to the side for one reason or another, yet Cena is the one they invariably go back to.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jul 27, 2015 23:49:55 GMT -5
They did put Cena on the sideline with that whole "I'm old, close to retirement" storyline that has, thankfully, quietly been ended. That's where I second guess it... this is the same creative team that didnt have plans for Bryan at last years Wrestle mania until Punk left (besides Sheamus, but ehhh). I really think they are trying. For any other wrestler, I'd say that your idea is rock-solid. But Cena isn't like Bryan, or Punk, or any other guy they have on the roster. They place their shows atop his shoulders and have curtailed countless pushes in an effort to feed the guy a litany of up-and-coming stars. They don't have him take time off, either, and feature him as much as they can. I don't get the sense that they have any intention of stopping that cold turkey, and every other main eventer eventually gets pushed off to the side for one reason or another, yet Cena is the one they invariably go back to. I agree to an extent. They hit the panic button, rushed his feud with Owens, and have situated him back at top of the card. Silly thing is, he still has the US title. Oops.
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