Ragnal
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Post by Ragnal on Jul 31, 2015 22:28:55 GMT -5
So I'm still bugged by something here.
A few years ago when Ric Flair was still involved in TNA, WWE wanted him to go into the Hall of Fame (again) as part of the Four Horsemen. TNA and WWE eventually negotiated, and allowed Flair to go to WWE for that one night, under the condition they let a WWE star in TNA to induct Sting into their Hall of Fame.
And of all the people they could have gotten for a brief ratings or PPV buyrate boost...they apparently only wanted Christian.
Has it ever come out why they didn't pick Cena or Trips or Bryan? Because it still baffles me that they chose the one guy that was already in a TNA ring and clearly wasn't willing to be there that night. And yeah, I'm sure WWE prolly veto'd a few names, but still.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 31, 2015 23:56:03 GMT -5
Vince would've rather burn the whole place down instead of giving them Cena. Although even if they would've got Cena, TNA being TNA wouldn't advertise him, or find another way to f*** it up, probably the lighting would've failed.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 31, 2015 23:58:28 GMT -5
Because Christian had a history in TNA they could exploit and there was zero chance of WWE letting anyone of value make an appearance.
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Aug 1, 2015 0:11:33 GMT -5
Vince would've rather burn the whole place down instead of giving them Cena. Although even if they would've got Cena, TNA being TNA wouldn't advertise him, or find another way to f*** it up, probably the lighting would've failed. If TNA even had the opportunity to get Cena, it would get squashed after TNA would request to have him lose to Jeff Hardy.
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 0:31:28 GMT -5
Because Christian had a history in TNA they could exploit and there was zero chance of WWE letting anyone of value make an appearance. And as Vince McMahon hates Christian and would like to put a blue dot over his face, and had so many injuries from 2011 onwards, it didn't exactly harm The Instant Classics career in WWE at the time, as he was nothing more than a midcard act.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 1, 2015 1:06:42 GMT -5
Vince would've rather burn the whole place down instead of giving them Cena. Although even if they would've got Cena, TNA being TNA wouldn't advertise him, or find another way to f*** it up, probably the lighting would've failed. If TNA even had the opportunity to get Cena, it would get squashed after TNA would request to have him lose to Jeff Hardy. I think that Dixie is such an imbecile that even if the WWE would give them Cena for a whole year, she would still bankrupt the company.
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Post by Shark on Aug 1, 2015 1:26:21 GMT -5
From what I remember hearing, Christian really didn't want to do it and was kind of forced into it. He didn't look all that enthusiastic to be back there.
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Post by The Doctor of Polaris on Aug 1, 2015 1:37:27 GMT -5
From what I remember hearing, Christian really didn't want to do it and was kind of forced into it. He didn't look all that enthusiastic to be back there. I never understood Christian's beef with TNA. They booked him to look like a million bucks through 90 percent of his run and I don't seem to recall him being stiffed on pay, as he was a main event level star and TNA seems (seemed?) to take care of those guys, if nothing else.
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 1:44:54 GMT -5
From what I remember hearing, Christian really didn't want to do it and was kind of forced into it. He didn't look all that enthusiastic to be back there. I never understood Christian's beef with TNA. They booked him to look like a million bucks through 90 percent of his run and I don't seem to recall him being stiffed on pay, as he was a main event level star and TNA seems (seemed?) to take care of those guys, if nothing else. It could have been that TNA was just awful to the rest of the guys, and that he just wanted to be away from there. The other former TNA guys that could have been there were Xavier Woods (at the time in developmental) and R-Truth. I can imagine the response of Christian. "No, please, not there. Listen, the blue dot? None of my merch in Toronto? One more match jobbing to Brodus Clay? Anything, anything but there. Please, don't send me back there............."
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 1, 2015 1:52:18 GMT -5
From what I remember hearing, Christian really didn't want to do it and was kind of forced into it. He didn't look all that enthusiastic to be back there. I never understood Christian's beef with TNA. They booked him to look like a million bucks through 90 percent of his run and I don't seem to recall him being stiffed on pay, as he was a main event level star and TNA seems (seemed?) to take care of those guys, if nothing else. According to Jerry Lynn on a shoot, Christian was happy when he came in, but lost interest when Jeff Jarrett won the belt from him in 06 so that he could be on the main event of BFG that year. You said something interesting, that he was booked to look like a million bucks, but other guys who received main event pushes, have buried the company later. Mick Foley who is a former TNA world champion, said that the TNA house shows seemed like empty arena matches because no one attended them. Sting another former champion got really mad with his hall of fame induction, claiming that they wanted to put him out to pasture. Kevin Nash said that the reason he didn't returned in 2011 was because he got embarrassed of the angle where Crimson impaled Abyss, and they wanted the main event mafia to feud with inmortal, that would've sucked... There are other names, but it's interesting that almost everyone who ever worked on TNA bury it as soon as they leave.
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 2:09:19 GMT -5
I never understood Christian's beef with TNA. They booked him to look like a million bucks through 90 percent of his run and I don't seem to recall him being stiffed on pay, as he was a main event level star and TNA seems (seemed?) to take care of those guys, if nothing else. According to Jerry Lynn on a shoot, Christian was happy when he came in, but lost interest when Jeff Jarrett won the belt from him in 06 so that he could be on the main event of BFG that year. You said something interesting, that he was booked to look like a million bucks, but other guys who received main event pushes, have buried the company later. Christian Cage (that is a really cool ring name, by the way) took on Rhino in an 8 mile street fight that year and was in the midst of turning heel. He was great as the leader of the Christian Coalition. I loved that group - Just a shame how it ended with AJ Styles taking on Eric Young for the title of biggest goof in TNA, and Tomko having his career destroyed. And remember, Christian ended his run in TNA not by putting someone over huge for the TNA title, but by losing to Booker T about 4 times for the Legends title.
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Post by Shark on Aug 1, 2015 2:14:32 GMT -5
From what I remember hearing, Christian really didn't want to do it and was kind of forced into it. He didn't look all that enthusiastic to be back there. I never understood Christian's beef with TNA. They booked him to look like a million bucks through 90 percent of his run and I don't seem to recall him being stiffed on pay, as he was a main event level star and TNA seems (seemed?) to take care of those guys, if nothing else. I think what others have described fit and I think also that Christian saw TNA as a chapter in his life that was over and he didn't want to revisit it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 2:29:22 GMT -5
Christian hasn't really been on WWE TV since his one night return to TNA.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 1, 2015 2:43:00 GMT -5
If TNA even had the opportunity to get Cena, it would get squashed after TNA would request to have him lose to Jeff Hardy. I think that Dixie is such an imbecile that even if the WWE would give them Cena for a whole year, she would still bankrupt the company. Dixie: "Alright we got John Cena for a year, here's what we're going to do, we're going to put him in the Revolution." James Storm: "Why?" Dixie: "Because that will make headlines, and you should be happy working with John." Storm: "But it's the stupidest thing you can do with Cena. You bring him in, not to feud with EC3, Bram, or me, you're bringing him in to put him in my stable." EC3: "I've got to agree it's stupid." Dixie: "But that's the beauty of it, nobody would expect us to make John Cena another guy in a stable. It's shocking people." Jeff Hardy: "Yeah, shocking them into laughter." Spud: "I don't think you'll be able to get people to boo Cena in the Impact Zone." Kenny King: "I can see it now, hey fans boo the one guy outside of Jeff Hardy you've heard of before coming here tonight." Dixie: "No, people will be intrigued. They were intrigued when Hogan turned heel, and they'll be intrigued when Cena turns heel, and we'll be the ones to do it." Bram: "But he's going to be another face in the crowd then. With Hogan, he led the nWo and the storyline was right." EC3: "Yeah, why not when Jeff is healed up, give the fans Cena vs Jeff Hardy?" Dixie: "Nobody wants to see that. Now let me tell you a great idea I had for a reverse Last Man Standing Match."
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 2:54:22 GMT -5
Christian hasn't really been on WWE TV since his one night return to TNA. Mostly due to injuries. I was really sad when he was put out to pasture by the WWE, but its for the best. He did take on Alberto Del Rio for the Big Gold, and when he came back last year, he was in the EC, but was the only one of the 4 guys facing Orton that was actually pinned by Orton in the build up to that match. He was the first eliminated. Then it was a feud with Sheamus, where Christian was turned heel, despite Sheamus having no heat as a face and then he got another concussion off a kick by Del Rio, and I think that was it. WWE say that he is retired - Christian says he wants one more match. Considering that he has spent most of the last 3 years injured and had his cage rattled badly, he should not have one last match. Which is a shame, as he was a great wrestler that deserved a lot more from WWE and was the hottest guy on the roster in 2005. Still, at least he was a great champion in TNA. Thats something.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 1, 2015 3:43:25 GMT -5
He was the first eliminated. Minor nitpick, but Christian was not the first man eliminated in that Elimination Chamber, and he actually pinned Sheamus in that match.
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 3:47:53 GMT -5
He was the first eliminated. Minor nitpick, but Christian was not the first man eliminated in that Elimination Chamber, and he actually pinned Sheamus in that match. Oh, my bad. I just remember that feud and thinking "Christian is the more charismatic guy, the one that has a much deeper character than Sheamus, and the one that is more likable, why is he being made the heel?". That was the defining memory of that feud. Damn, I miss Christian Cage.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 1, 2015 4:25:46 GMT -5
From what I remember hearing, Christian really didn't want to do it and was kind of forced into it. He didn't look all that enthusiastic to be back there. I never understood Christian's beef with TNA. They booked him to look like a million bucks through 90 percent of his run and I don't seem to recall him being stiffed on pay, as he was a main event level star and TNA seems (seemed?) to take care of those guys, if nothing else. Wasn't he salty over fans thinking he was retired from wrestling when he was NWA World Champion?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 1, 2015 8:43:24 GMT -5
Christian hasn't really been on WWE TV since his one night return to TNA. He's been in and out since that appearance for sure but oddly enough, that wasn't the end of him. Remember him getting a world title shot at Summerslam in 2013? ...If you don't, that's because pretty much everybody else forgot as well.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 1, 2015 9:24:23 GMT -5
As was mentioned, Christian actually had ties to TNA. Hell, say what you will, his run there was a positive for both parties.
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