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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 1, 2015 10:16:02 GMT -5
I think that Dixie is such an imbecile that even if the WWE would give them Cena for a whole year, she would still bankrupt the company. Dixie: "Alright we got John Cena for a year, here's what we're going to do, we're going to put him in the Revolution." James Storm: "Why?" Dixie: "Because that will make headlines, and you should be happy working with John." Storm: "But it's the stupidest thing you can do with Cena. You bring him in, not to feud with EC3, Bram, or me, you're bringing him in to put him in my stable." EC3: "I've got to agree it's stupid." Dixie: "But that's the beauty of it, nobody would expect us to make John Cena another guy in a stable. It's shocking people." Jeff Hardy: "Yeah, shocking them into laughter." Spud: "I don't think you'll be able to get people to boo Cena in the Impact Zone." Kenny King: "I can see it now, hey fans boo the one guy outside of Jeff Hardy you've heard of before coming here tonight." Dixie: "No, people will be intrigued. They were intrigued when Hogan turned heel, and they'll be intrigued when Cena turns heel, and we'll be the ones to do it." Bram: "But he's going to be another face in the crowd then. With Hogan, he led the nWo and the storyline was right." EC3: "Yeah, why not when Jeff is healed up, give the fans Cena vs Jeff Hardy?" Dixie: "Nobody wants to see that. Now let me tell you a great idea I had for a reverse Last Man Standing Match." I think that even Serg, Abyss, and Manik would call her a f***ing moron. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 11:58:43 GMT -5
Christian hasn't really been on WWE TV since his one night return to TNA. He's been in and out since that appearance for sure but oddly enough, that wasn't the end of him. Remember him getting a world title shot at Summerslam in 2013? ...If you don't, that's because pretty much everybody else forgot as well. I do, it was Alberto Del Rio defending the title, there was little heat and it was obvious that The Big Gold was the second class title. Though after Christian won the title in 2011 and lost it on tape delay 5 days later and the feud with Orton, I think that was it for Christian. It was exactly the type of run that Vince would give a guy to milk the sympathy from the retirement of Edge to a guy that Vince does not like. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 1, 2015 15:17:25 GMT -5
He's been in and out since that appearance for sure but oddly enough, that wasn't the end of him. Remember him getting a world title shot at Summerslam in 2013? ...If you don't, that's because pretty much everybody else forgot as well. I do, it was Alberto Del Rio defending the title, there was little heat and it was obvious that The Big Gold was the second class title. Though after Christian won the title in 2011 and lost it on tape delay 5 days later and the feud with Orton, I think that was it for Christian. It was exactly the type of run that Vince would give a guy to milk the sympathy from the retirement of Edge to a guy that Vince does not like. Christian losing did more for him than if he held the title for 2 months and did nothing with it. He wasn't done then. I said this before and i'll say it again him and Randy tore it down that whole summer. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 15:48:04 GMT -5
I do, it was Alberto Del Rio defending the title, there was little heat and it was obvious that The Big Gold was the second class title. Though after Christian won the title in 2011 and lost it on tape delay 5 days later and the feud with Orton, I think that was it for Christian. It was exactly the type of run that Vince would give a guy to milk the sympathy from the retirement of Edge to a guy that Vince does not like. Christian losing did more for him than if he held the title for 2 months and did nothing with it. He wasn't done then. I said this before and i'll say it again him and Randy tore it down that whole summer. Yeah, the matches were good, just that it was hard to get behind the whole thing when Christian was turned heel when he was the more sympathetic guy (his best friend had been forced to retire), hadn't kicked anyone in the skull, lost the title in a match 5 days after he had won it for the first time in his career in a ladder match and then got beat at Capitol Punishment when his foot was under the ropes. And then after the feud ended, Christian hardly won again that year. If Randy had been turned heel and Christian the face, it would have been much better. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 1, 2015 15:53:31 GMT -5
Christian losing did more for him than if he held the title for 2 months and did nothing with it. He wasn't done then. I said this before and i'll say it again him and Randy tore it down that whole summer. Yeah, the matches were good, just that it was hard to get behind the whole thing when Christian was turned heel when he was the more sympathetic guy (his best friend had been forced to retire), hadn't kicked anyone in the skull, lost the title in a match 5 days after he had won it for the first time in his career in a ladder match and then got beat at Capitol Punishment when his foot was under the ropes. And then after the feud ended, Christian hardly won again that year. If Randy had been turned heel and Christian the face, it would have been much better. Matches were great. I disagree with you on the alignment I liked them in their respective roles as we had seen Heel Orton as champ fend off people. Christian in that role was great as i've said before it elevated him. Christian played the role well of getting it all and losing it all and becoming the guy who would do anything for one more match. Including spitting in Orton face. I don't hold the feud at fault for what WWE couldn't do with Christian after that. Also, booking long term if was more impactful for Mark Henry to defeat Henry clean that it would of been if he did the same to Christian. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 16:12:22 GMT -5
Yeah, the matches were good, just that it was hard to get behind the whole thing when Christian was turned heel when he was the more sympathetic guy (his best friend had been forced to retire), hadn't kicked anyone in the skull, lost the title in a match 5 days after he had won it for the first time in his career in a ladder match and then got beat at Capitol Punishment when his foot was under the ropes. And then after the feud ended, Christian hardly won again that year. If Randy had been turned heel and Christian the face, it would have been much better. Matches were great. I disagree with you on the alignment I liked them in their respective roles as we had seen Heel Orton as champ fend off people. Christian in that role was great as i've said before it elevated him. Christian played the role well of getting it all and losing it all and becoming the guy who would do anything for one more match. Including spitting in Orton face. I don't hold the feud at fault for what WWE couldn't do with Christian after that. Also, booking long term if was more impactful for Mark Henry to defeat Henry clean that it would of been if he did the same to Christian. The thing about Orton was that he wrestles like a heel and is not a particulary likeable guy. Christians heel turn felt forced and it was really hard to boo him considering that here was a guy that had got to the top of the mountain in WWE, and along comes Orton and takes away his big moment in what was practically his hometown (The Smackdown that Randy Orton won the title was in Orlando). Then there was the whole business with Triple H coming in and talking down Christian, stating that he hasn't earned respect, then Edge coming out and calling Christian a whiney little bitch on PPV. Plus, its not good booking to have the face in the feud beat the heel five days after the heel wins the title in a ladder match. And to hold said matches in front of what is practically a home crowd. And then have a match where the heel then gets screwed out of the title by bad refereeing. Christian should not have lost the title to Randy Orton that week, and certainly not in Orlando. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 1, 2015 17:18:53 GMT -5
Matches were great. I disagree with you on the alignment I liked them in their respective roles as we had seen Heel Orton as champ fend off people. Christian in that role was great as i've said before it elevated him. Christian played the role well of getting it all and losing it all and becoming the guy who would do anything for one more match. Including spitting in Orton face. I don't hold the feud at fault for what WWE couldn't do with Christian after that. Also, booking long term if was more impactful for Mark Henry to defeat Henry clean that it would of been if he did the same to Christian. The thing about Orton was that he wrestles like a heel and is not a particulary likeable guy. Christians heel turn felt forced and it was really hard to boo him considering that here was a guy that had got to the top of the mountain in WWE, and along comes Orton and takes away his big moment in what was practically his hometown (The Smackdown that Randy Orton won the title was in Orlando). Then there was the whole business with Triple H coming in and talking down Christian, stating that he hasn't earned respect, then Edge coming out and calling Christian a whiney little bitch on PPV. Plus, its not good booking to have the face in the feud beat the heel five days after the heel wins the title in a ladder match. And to hold said matches in front of what is practically a home crowd. And then have a match where the heel then gets screwed out of the title by bad refereeing. Christian should not have lost the title to Randy Orton that week, and certainly not in Orlando. We'll agree to disagree I think that angle and feud solidified Christian career and gave him that hall of fame spot as a singles wrestler. They said that to Christian because he was a heel as heels get put down all the time. I see where you coming from but I still say that got as much out that feud as much as they could have. I also disagree about Orton wrestling. He's one of the top in the business but I digress. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 17:30:19 GMT -5
The thing about Orton was that he wrestles like a heel and is not a particulary likeable guy. Christians heel turn felt forced and it was really hard to boo him considering that here was a guy that had got to the top of the mountain in WWE, and along comes Orton and takes away his big moment in what was practically his hometown (The Smackdown that Randy Orton won the title was in Orlando). Then there was the whole business with Triple H coming in and talking down Christian, stating that he hasn't earned respect, then Edge coming out and calling Christian a whiney little bitch on PPV. Plus, its not good booking to have the face in the feud beat the heel five days after the heel wins the title in a ladder match. And to hold said matches in front of what is practically a home crowd. And then have a match where the heel then gets screwed out of the title by bad refereeing. Christian should not have lost the title to Randy Orton that week, and certainly not in Orlando. We'll agree to disagree I think that angle and feud solidified Christian career and gave him that hall of fame spot as a singles wrestler. They said that to Christian because he was a heel as heels get put down all the time. I see where you coming from but I still say that got as much out that feud as much as they could have. I also disagree about Orton wrestling. He's one of the top in the business but I digress. Considering that Vince hates Christian ("We should put a blue dot over his face!", "No merch in Toronto for you Jay"), along with his best solo run being as Christian Cage in TNA, then Captain Charisma is not getting into the hall of fame any time soon. As for Orton, he is a very good wrestler, but much better as a heel, as he should have been in the feud with Christian all things considered. TNA got far more out of Christian wrestling wise 2005-2008 than WWE did when Christian was a solo act, and when he was with TNA, Christian was awesome as both the face that ended the era of Slap Nuts hogging the title, and as the head of the Christian Coalition. That is what he should be remembered for as a solo act rather than "One More Match". Its what I will remember him for anyway. |
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Post by Ruthless Pessimism on Aug 2, 2015 14:39:39 GMT -5
Christian hasn't really been on WWE TV since his one night return to TNA. You say that as if it's a bad thing. |
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Post by Ashy Larry on Aug 2, 2015 20:39:09 GMT -5
If Trips showed up, it would have been a "Wow, so this is what it feels like to be in a TNA ring, I might just step in a TNA ring soon (hinting at WWE buying TNA). Needless to say, Here is an induction for the man who will soon be joining the WWE Hall Of Fame, a man who fought my hero Ric Flair, The Icon Sting" points to the tron and leaves the ring as if TNA is below him to a cheesy knockoff of his WWE theme.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 10:36:42 GMT -5
Didn't Christian and Sting have a feud/history in TNA together? TNA probably wanted to connect to that rather than just take advantage of the deal. From what I remember hearing, Christian really didn't want to do it and was kind of forced into it. He didn't look all that enthusiastic to be back there. I seem to also recall the crowd was giving him some crap that night, too, which probably didn't help (or made things awful for him). |
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 3, 2015 12:13:59 GMT -5
As was mentioned, Christian actually had ties to TNA. Hell, say what you will, his run there was a positive for both parties. On top of that, could you imagine a more bush league move than getting a guy with no connection to TNA or even Sting for no other reason than he's a real wrestling star? How out of place would John Cena look in a TNA ring, looking like he would rather be anywhere but there? It wouldn't even pop ratings, because anyone with half a clue would know that was the first and last time they would see him in a TNA ring. |
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 3, 2015 12:17:10 GMT -5
Instead of that, I would have just sued WWE and got some money as they were in the wrong with the Ric Flair deal.
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