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Post by domrep on Aug 12, 2015 11:29:36 GMT -5
There's really no point in giving up half a mil to rot in NXT for a year before they get the call up and even then the booking will be suspect. Hindsight is 20/20, but a guy like Joe was probably better off going to ROH and New Japan. It's not just the money. Take Joe, he's done ROH and Japan. This is WWE, you take a paycut, but you get to go to the biggest organisation in the world and show you can make it and earn a lot more long term and become a huge worldwide star if it works out. Joe has been in the business what...15 years? For him to do ROH, TNA, Japan and then end up in NXT for a chance at becoming a bigger star to me seems like such a waste of time. This isn't pro sports, there's no pension at the end of the tunnel. Get the money while you can, maybe Joe has a nice contract w/WWE and maybe he's saved his money, but if Karl Anderson can get 600K a year just by doing Japan, why can't Joe get the same as well? For a less rigorous schedule
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 12, 2015 11:44:37 GMT -5
I don't think they'll let him do the Styles Clash considering he's hurt a WWE alumni, Yoshi Tatsu with it. He's got a fair few moves he could use depending on how they want him to wrestle, could use the Spiral Tap, Hollow Point, Calf Cutter. Dude's got a fairly flashy moveset when need be.
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Post by berlynwright on Aug 12, 2015 11:50:06 GMT -5
I don't think they'll let him do the Styles Clash considering he's hurt a WWE alumni, Yoshi Tatsu with it. He has like 10 other moves which can be used as finishers and it was Yoshi's fault too.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 12, 2015 12:38:04 GMT -5
It's not just the money. Take Joe, he's done ROH and Japan. This is WWE, you take a paycut, but you get to go to the biggest organisation in the world and show you can make it and earn a lot more long term and become a huge worldwide star if it works out. Joe has been in the business what...15 years? For him to do ROH, TNA, Japan and then end up in NXT for a chance at becoming a bigger star to me seems like such a waste of time. This isn't pro sports, there's no pension at the end of the tunnel. Get the money while you can, maybe Joe has a nice contract w/WWE and maybe he's saved his money, but if Karl Anderson can get 600K a year just by doing Japan, why can't Joe get the same as well? For a less rigorous schedule Exactly, it's about making the most. I doubt he's on the same contract as someone they're building from the ground up. Sacrifice a few hundred K for a couple of years, and you could get millions later. After 15 years, he must be in a position where he can afford this risk, or maybe it's just a pride thing, he wants to be the best in the biggest company, do the one thing he hasn't done yet in his career, prove himself in the place everyone says his look and style will hold him back. There are things other than money.
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 12, 2015 13:01:13 GMT -5
Joe has been in the business what...15 years? For him to do ROH, TNA, Japan and then end up in NXT for a chance at becoming a bigger star to me seems like such a waste of time. This isn't pro sports, there's no pension at the end of the tunnel. Get the money while you can, maybe Joe has a nice contract w/WWE and maybe he's saved his money, but if Karl Anderson can get 600K a year just by doing Japan, why can't Joe get the same as well? For a less rigorous schedule Exactly, it's about making the most. I doubt he's on the same contract as someone they're building from the ground up. Sacrifice a few hundred K for a couple of years, and you could get millions later. After 15 years, he must be in a position where he can afford this risk, or maybe it's just a pride thing, he wants to be the best in the biggest company, do the one thing he hasn't done yet in his career, prove himself in the place everyone says his look and style will hold him back. There are things other than money. I remember seeing an interview with AJ right after Joevdebuted in NXT and ROH landed its deal with DA. They asked him if he would ever consider going to WWE or NXT and he pretty much said "never say never" but he stressed that his top priority right now is being able to look after his family. With the kind of bank he is making in Japan, by the time his contract is outbhecwill be able to provide for them for the rest of his life, so money could be less of a concern for him then. Especially if he were to leverage a deal like the one that was initially offered to Joe, then I could easily see him in NXT once his deal in Japan is up. And I imagine WWE could offer him a much better deal on merchandising than anything he would get on the indies.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Aug 12, 2015 13:24:24 GMT -5
He'd need to wear a shirt, and most likely get a name change too, but it would be fun to see him compete in the WWE.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 12, 2015 13:25:42 GMT -5
He'd need to wear a shirt, and most likely get a name change too, but it would be fun to see him compete in the WWE. I wouldn't want him to change his name unless it was something like Allen Stiles.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 12, 2015 14:19:38 GMT -5
He'd need to wear a shirt, and most likely get a name change too, but it would be fun to see him compete in the WWE. I wouldn't want him to change his name unless it was something like Allen Stiles. It's second generation superstar Albert Jamison!
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Aug 12, 2015 14:39:30 GMT -5
So he makes $8K for indy appearances, and has his hotel and flights paid for. And he's probably making six figures in New Japan. I'd say he's making at least 500K total for less dates. He'd be crazy to pass that up for WWE at this point. Yeah it's more about the Samoa Joe type of deal. Appear at the TV tapings (1 per month), Takeover (4 per year) and occasionally at house shows (3 o 4 per month maybe). That's not alot of dates
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Post by domrep on Aug 12, 2015 14:40:14 GMT -5
So he makes $8K for indy appearances, and has his hotel and flights paid for. And he's probably making six figures in New Japan. I'd say he's making at least 500K total for less dates. He'd be crazy to pass that up for WWE at this point. Yeah it's more about the Samoa Joe type of deal. Appear at the TV tapings (1 per month), Takeover (4 per year) and occasionally at house shows (3 o 4 per month maybe). That's not alot of dates It's not, but going from working the Tokyo Dome to a gym in Lakeland, FL seems like a bad decision.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Aug 12, 2015 14:40:25 GMT -5
He'd need to wear a shirt, and most likely get a name change too, but it would be fun to see him compete in the WWE. I wouldn't want him to change his name unless it was something like Allen Stiles. Yeah always thought that Allen Jones (AJ) would be a cool name for him
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Aug 12, 2015 14:41:07 GMT -5
Yeah it's more about the Samoa Joe type of deal. Appear at the TV tapings (1 per month), Takeover (4 per year) and occasionally at house shows (3 o 4 per month maybe). That's not alot of dates It's not, but going from working the Tokyo Dome to a gym in Lakeland, FL seems like a bad decision. Why? Everyone's benifitting...
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Post by Raskovnik on Aug 12, 2015 14:42:52 GMT -5
I'd think he's dumb if he did go, especially as a guy who has proven that the WWE isn't the end-all be-all with his career renaissance. His current gig seems much sweeter to me, no pun intended.
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 12, 2015 14:49:04 GMT -5
Yeah it's more about the Samoa Joe type of deal. Appear at the TV tapings (1 per month), Takeover (4 per year) and occasionally at house shows (3 o 4 per month maybe). That's not alot of dates It's not, but going from working the Tokyo Dome to a gym in Lakeland, FL seems like a bad decision. Depends on where you are in life and what your mindset is. If you're at a point where money is no longer as big of a concern s it once was, but you still want to do what you love, a part time deal like that is pretty good.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 12, 2015 14:56:31 GMT -5
He'd need to wear a shirt, and most likely get a name change too, but it would be fun to see him compete in the WWE. They didn't change Joe's name, they wouldn't change his. Guys like them aren't going to NXT with WWE seeing them as future stars on the main roster. They'd be there in order to help NXT draw. Changing their names would be counter-productive.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 12, 2015 14:56:24 GMT -5
...AJ Styles as a top draw?
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 12, 2015 15:00:26 GMT -5
It's not just the money. Take Joe, he's done ROH and Japan. This is WWE, you take a paycut, but you get to go to the biggest organisation in the world and show you can make it and earn a lot more long term and become a huge worldwide star if it works out. Joe has been in the business what...15 years? For him to do ROH, TNA, Japan and then end up in NXT for a chance at becoming a bigger star to me seems like such a waste of time. This isn't pro sports, there's no pension at the end of the tunnel. Get the money while you can, maybe Joe has a nice contract w/WWE and maybe he's saved his money, but if Karl Anderson can get 600K a year just by doing Japan, why can't Joe get the same as well? For a less rigorous schedule While there's no technical "pension" WWE is the only organization that does take care of their wrestlers even when they can't wrestle anymore. For example if Bryan never went to the WWE he'd be up a creek right now. In wwe even though he can not wrestle, he still is able to go to comic cons, judge tough enough, and sell a bestselling book. Also factor in legends contracts, licencing, and hall of fame, future training positions, there is enough incentive for a good wrestler to test their luck in the WWE system. Is AJ good enough to succeed? I think so. Will his ego hold him back? Maybe.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 12, 2015 15:09:24 GMT -5
Joe has been in the business what...15 years? For him to do ROH, TNA, Japan and then end up in NXT for a chance at becoming a bigger star to me seems like such a waste of time. This isn't pro sports, there's no pension at the end of the tunnel. Get the money while you can, maybe Joe has a nice contract w/WWE and maybe he's saved his money, but if Karl Anderson can get 600K a year just by doing Japan, why can't Joe get the same as well? For a less rigorous schedule While there's no technical "pension" WWE is the only organization that does take care of their wrestlers even when they can't wrestle anymore. For example if Bryan never went to the WWE he'd be up a creek right now. In wwe even though he can not wrestle, he still is able to go to comic cons, judge tough enough, and sell a bestselling book. Also factor in legends contracts, licencing, and hall of fame, future training positions, there is enough incentive for a good wrestler to test their luck in the WWE system. Is AJ good enough to succeed? I think so. Will his ego hold him back? Maybe. I doubt he'd be "up a creek" without WWE. I'm sure that if Bryan never went to WWE, but had his same issues there would be a "Bryan Danielson Benefit Show" or something where a bunch of indy wrestlers would put together a card to raise money for Bryan's medical needs. And AJ would probably be the guy headlining that card, bringing in most of that money.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 12, 2015 15:15:52 GMT -5
While there's no technical "pension" WWE is the only organization that does take care of their wrestlers even when they can't wrestle anymore. For example if Bryan never went to the WWE he'd be up a creek right now. In wwe even though he can not wrestle, he still is able to go to comic cons, judge tough enough, and sell a bestselling book. Also factor in legends contracts, licencing, and hall of fame, future training positions, there is enough incentive for a good wrestler to test their luck in the WWE system. Is AJ good enough to succeed? I think so. Will his ego hold him back? Maybe. I doubt he'd be "up a creek" without WWE. I'm sure that if Bryan never went to WWE, but had his same issues there would be a "Bryan Danielson Benefit Show" or something where a bunch of indy wrestlers would put together a card to raise money for Bryan's medical needs. And AJ would probably be the guy headlining that card, bringing in most of that money. True, but a single indy show and continued employment and merchandising are a different matter.
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 12, 2015 15:48:24 GMT -5
While there's no technical "pension" WWE is the only organization that does take care of their wrestlers even when they can't wrestle anymore. For example if Bryan never went to the WWE he'd be up a creek right now. In wwe even though he can not wrestle, he still is able to go to comic cons, judge tough enough, and sell a bestselling book. Also factor in legends contracts, licencing, and hall of fame, future training positions, there is enough incentive for a good wrestler to test their luck in the WWE system. Is AJ good enough to succeed? I think so. Will his ego hold him back? Maybe. I doubt he'd be "up a creek" without WWE. I'm sure that if Bryan never went to WWE, but had his same issues there would be a "Bryan Danielson Benefit Show" or something where a bunch of indy wrestlers would put together a card to raise money for Bryan's medical needs. And AJ would probably be the guy headlining that card, bringing in most of that money. I guess up a creek is relative term. However, I'd guess that it's a lot better for wrestlers to be able to continually make money using what talent they do bring to the professional wrestling world, than to depend on the charity of others to make ends meet.
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